"security"

Everything seemed fine to me...smiling faces, etc.

I guess we really are running out of things to complain about. I didn't notice any difference. 

The security people I encountered all 3 days were all very friendly and professional.  I did notice the K9, but the dog may have been there for training purposes rather than intimidation purposes.  This meet would be an ideal place to get a dog accustomed to crowds.

Andy

Did the member in the stroller get his package back?

I just noticed a township? police vehicle roll through, the first time l have seen an actual police presence on the grounds in years of attending. I guessed it was due to the more "public" nature of the meet, and TCA had arranged it.  I hope that or other security measures l didn't notice didn't spook public attendance and interest.  I, for one, like an obvious but restrained security presence.

The young security girl working the side door off the hallway in the blue hall was very cute !!! No complaints here !

I wonder if the police presence had to do with the SOB dealer who left his dog in a sealed car on Thursday. The dog died on the spot. I saw plenty of animal wardens around on Friday near his booth in the orange hall. Word is he scurried out of the building when he heard they were there. 

I said they should lock him up in a hot car with the windows shut......

SJC posted:

I wonder if the police presence had to do with the SOB dealer who left his dog in a sealed car on Thursday. The dog died on the spot. I saw plenty of animal wardens around on Friday near his booth in the orange hall. Word is he scurried out of the building when he heard they were there. 

I said they should lock him up in a hot car with the windows shut......

I'd love to know which vendor.  I will make sure to never ever spend money in their booth. 

I saw the guy for was walking the hall on Friday and realized the guy was a dealer.  I do not know his vendor name, but he was in the area of the Orange hall between row H and L.  On Thursday, I gave them 3 bottles of water for the dog for they had him laying on the hot pavement and they finally moved him back into the car with A/C.  Fortunately the 2nd dog recovered at the scene but there were 2 dogs locked in the car.  I spoke with the K-9 policeman and glad to read that Friday they came back looking for him.

Guy was a complete idiot with no regard to the animal even after being busted for he laid him down on the hot pavement.  Unfortunately this guy will never pay the real price he should have paid for the actions he took.

Man I love my dog and always put her needs before my own. How could you do that to your dog, POS person, I hope the charge him with a felony. I'd have busted them pooches out of that car if I came across that

MartyE posted:

SJC posted:

I wonder if the police presence had to do with the SOB dealer who left his dog in a sealed car on Thursday. The dog died on the spot. I saw plenty of animal wardens around on Friday near his booth in the orange hall. Word is he scurried out of the building when he heard they were there. 

I said they should lock him up in a hot car with the windows shut......

I'd love to know which vendor.  I will make sure to never ever spend money in their booth. 

Ya; I would too!    Piece of crap!  

David Case posted:

I saw the guy for was walking the hall on Friday and realized the guy was a dealer.  I do not know his vendor name, but he was in the area of the Orange hall between row H and L.  On Thursday, I gave them 3 bottles of water for the dog for they had him laying on the hot pavement and they finally moved him back into the car with A/C.  Fortunately the 2nd dog recovered at the seen but there were 2 dogs locked in the car.  I spoke with the K-9 policeman and glad to read that Friday they came back looking for him.

Guy was a complete idiot with no regard to the animal even after being busted for he laid him down on the hot pavement.  Unfortunately this guy will never pay the real price he should have paid for the actions he took.

Thank you for helping that poor dog by giving some water. 

This guy is a special kind of stupid and cruel.    I  just hope the police found and arrested him.    I must be extra naive because I just can't imagine someone being that cruel to animals.  Unfortunately he will not get the punishment he deserves.  

Sad to think he is associated with our great hobby in some way.

Ed

I wouldn't take a security job for one simple reason: You have one boss ( who pays you ) who tells you one thing and a thousand other bosses ( who don't pay you ) screaming the exact opposite. I was in the Blue Hall and the poor guard WAS acting like a real anus but he was told  what was and wasn't allowed. He wasn't paid to think, analyze, critique or even have common sense. No disrespect but he was essentially a mindless automaton.

As far as the dog: String this person up in a blast furnace.

Ernie

Andy Hummell posted:

The security people I encountered all 3 days were all very friendly and professional.  I did notice the K9, but the dog may have been there for training purposes rather than intimidation purposes.  This meet would be an ideal place to get a dog accustomed to crowds.

Andy

That was my initial reaction, but I'm not afraid of dogs.  I only decided to complain after hearing concerns voiced by others.  Some people are really afraid of dogs, and I think they should have been sensitive to that.  Also, the dog was not wearing the "in training" vests that you often see.

Add me to the list of people who would like to know who the vendor was so we can avoid him in the future.

Mallard4468 posted:

Also, the dog was not wearing the "in training" vests that you often see.

I don't know if law-enforcement K9's wear those vests at all.  I was under the impression those vests were for service dogs so that they wouldn't be refused entry into venues that prohibit pets.  It is just a possibility.  York would be a great place for that kind of training in that the participants aren't likely to be rowdy (like those at a concert or where alcohol is being served).

As to the unfortunate matter involving the dealer, I would also prefer to avoid him.  I hate to hear about pets who are abused.

Andy

I hope you find out who this person was. If I had seen the dogs in that car, I would have smashed the windows in.

I thought maybe my wife started this thread.

We had great difficulty with these people blocking the doors and parking areas for loading on Saturday. Their cars were parked so that you couldn't back in. They stood around blocking the pathways in and out of the building. When asked to move them, they refused, and called a TCA security person that told us all we care about is making money; that he gets no thanks for protecting our stuff; staying to 4, etc. If we persist, he would see to it that only one vehicle could unload at a time. 

Eventually, they were "off the clock" and left.

Want to steal stuff at York? Come to any door at 4:02pm Saturday. You won't need a badge. 

Mallard4468 posted:

Add me to the list of people who would like to know who the vendor was so we can avoid him in the future.

Me as well. I would love to know the name.  I'll put that dealer on my short list of never to deal with!

what kind of cruel idiot leaves an animal in a locked car???  I'd love to know

Why would any bring a dog/cat/??? to an INDOOR show where pets are not allowed?? 

What did they expect them to do during the show when the "owner" was doing business??

It must take a special kind of stupid to do that.....

Andy Hummell posted:

  I did notice the K9, but the dog may have been there for training purposes rather than intimidation purposes. 

Andy

Great!  Now I have to worry if the K9 unit is going to alert on my smoke pellets.

Tom

While l certainly don't condone leaving a pet in an unvented car, especially on a forecasted hot day,  as that one was, at least the former stroller exclusion did not result in leaving a baby in one, which has happened in this area.

Why would any bring a dog/cat/??? to an INDOOR show where pets are not allowed?? 

I don't understand why people bring dogs to OUTDOOR shows either.
I attend several large outdoor antique shows every summer. The shows are scheduled during the summer, when it is not unusual for temps to be in the 90's. There is little shade. I see a fair number of people with dogs, panting away. Usually they don't seem to be carrying anything to give the dog water.

When the temperature is ok, my dog goes with me everywhere. But when its too hot or too cold, he stays home.

I sat in my vehicle and watched an episode unfold that involved two K9 units, numerous security people and one West Manchester police unit , but no dead dog.  I thought the incident was handled very well.  The security people I had contact with were very nice and professional.   

The internet makes rock stars of us all.

So was the large sum of money returned to the rightful owner?  That thread seems to have disappeared. 

Yes, the money was returned to its rightful owner. Once that happened, there was no need for the original thread about it any more, so I deleted it.

To those who only got part of this story.

An individual, dealer or not, locked not one but two dogs in a minivan from some southern state, I believe. I spoke to a Security Member as I have in my car a small sledge hammer for helping me get my lug nuts off my tires. I voluntered to smash all the windows to get to these dogs. I was told not to do it as I would be given a summons for destruction of private property. I was there when the individual, with the Security Force there, opened the door, when a Doberman and Pit Bull came out. The Doberman was drinking water, supplied from a TCA Member, as fasat as it was put into a water dish. The Pit Bull was laying on the ground.

From what I was told later on Friday, the Pit bull was deceased, and the incident was still under inverstigation. This is all the information that I was allowed to be given.

I do not like Pit Bulls or Dobermans as years ago I was a Meter Reader and I always had one or the other chase me, but I believe that this person, whomever he is and from wherever he resides, is thrown out of TCA, and I pray that Criminal Charges were placed on him.

OGR Webmaster posted:

Yes, the money was returned to its rightful owner. Once that happened, there was no need for the original thread about it any more, so I deleted it.

Nice move Rich, I'm glad to hear that.  I'll be he was surprised to get it back!

OGR Webmaster posted:

Yes, the money was returned to its rightful owner. Once that happened, there was no need for the original thread about it any more, so I deleted it.

You are a good man Mr. Melvin!  But we knew that.  :-)  That guy was **** lucky it was you.

An individual, dealer or not, locked not one but two dogs in a minivan from some southern state, I believe. I spoke to a Security Member as I have in my car a small sledge hammer for helping me get my lug nuts off my tires. I voluntered to smash all the windows to get to these dogs. I was told not to do it as I would be given a summons for destruction of private property. I was there when the individual, with the Security Force there, opened the door, when a Doberman and Pit Bull came out. The Doberman was drinking water, supplied from a TCA Member, as fasat as it was put into a water dish. The Pit Bull was laying on the ground.

It's my impression, that if the dogs look to be in distress, an individual could legally break the windows in NYS. If so, I imagine you'd better have some witnesses.

C W Burfle posted:

An individual, dealer or not, locked not one but two dogs in a minivan from some southern state, I believe. I spoke to a Security Member as I have in my car a small sledge hammer for helping me get my lug nuts off my tires. I voluntered to smash all the windows to get to these dogs. I was told not to do it as I would be given a summons for destruction of private property. I was there when the individual, with the Security Force there, opened the door, when a Doberman and Pit Bull came out. The Doberman was drinking water, supplied from a TCA Member, as fasat as it was put into a water dish. The Pit Bull was laying on the ground.

It's my impression, that if the dogs look to be in distress, an individual could legally break the windows in NYS. If so, I imagine you'd better have some witnesses.

Wouldn't have mattered to me. The window would be broken. Period. 

eddie g posted:

I hope you find out who this person was. If I had seen the dogs in that car, I would have smashed the windows in.

this has happened so much in Calif that a law was passed stating you can break the window.

MartyE posted:

C W Burfle posted:

An individual, dealer or not, locked not one but two dogs in a minivan from some southern state, I believe. I spoke to a Security Member as I have in my car a small sledge hammer for helping me get my lug nuts off my tires. I voluntered to smash all the windows to get to these dogs. I was told not to do it as I would be given a summons for destruction of private property. I was there when the individual, with the Security Force there, opened the door, when a Doberman and Pit Bull came out. The Doberman was drinking water, supplied from a TCA Member, as fasat as it was put into a water dish. The Pit Bull was laying on the ground.

It's my impression, that if the dogs look to be in distress, an individual could legally break the windows in NYS. If so, I imagine you'd better have some witnesses.

Wouldn't have mattered to me. The window would be broken. Period. 

Can't say it much better than Marty....

John C. posted:

OGR Webmaster posted:

Yes, the money was returned to its rightful owner. Once that happened, there was no need for the original thread about it any more, so I deleted it.

You are a good man Mr. Melvin!  But we knew that.  :-)  That guy was **** lucky it was you.

John, I appreciate the compliment, but I was not directly involved in the discovery of the lost funds or their return. My only involvement was that forum thread.

It was Steve Brenneissen of Ross Custom Switches who had the money in hand and returned it to the owner.

C W Burfle posted:

Why would any bring a dog/cat/??? to an INDOOR show where pets are not allowed?? 

I don't understand why people bring dogs to OUTDOOR shows either.
I attend several large outdoor antique shows every summer. The shows are scheduled during the summer, when it is not unusual for temps to be in the 90's. There is little shade. I see a fair number of people with dogs, panting away. Usually they don't seem to be carrying anything to give the dog water.

When the temperature is ok, my dog goes with me everywhere. But when its too hot or too cold, he stays home.

Here in Northern California, people take their dogs to outdoor restaurants. They also take them to crowded outdoor town square concerts, regardless of whether the dog is socialized or not. Often, it's some macho guy who may be afraid to be alone in a crowd.

I bring my dog lots of places and most of the time she's in the truck with me. Now I can bring her to Lowes, Home Depot, Fleet Farm, Macy's,  Ace Hardware, most of the auto parts stores. These are most of the places I shop and if it's too hot out she won't stay in the truck without the AC running otherwise she can stay home. It just blows my mind somebody would torture their dogs to death to sell some trains. I'd walk away from all my trains if I had to choose between them n my pooch.

If I saw an animal in a vehicle in distress, screw a summons. The window is gone and the animal is out. We can go to court later. 

Well, obviously, we need a national law, or similar state law in the 50,  permitting entering a locked vehicle when a pet or child is seen to be in distress. I'd call 911 first and tell them the situation and what you felt was necessary, if law didn't show up pronto. Wonder if in today's world of electronics,  there couldn't be an electronic tether for pet and child to warn you if you were some distance away or had not recently checked pet or child.