Status of Lionel's Legacy Controller

Would that be an overhead cam, or would any convenient cam do? 

Engineer view or view from the caboose

Hi John,

I will give you one bingo.
But I can't give you a double.

Saying Lionel has a plan to support anything is total speculation.

While the are at it, maybe thru will fix the serial limitation Ascs, etc.

Why Mike, in other similar threads the last few days, JonZ has already answered in regard to what is going on with the Legacy controllers, you can not get any more of a direct answer than that. He is the one trying to get these built and to us.

 

This has already been addressed by the new LCS bus devices announced some months ago. 

By: Berkshire President:

"The notion that nothing can be manufactured here any more is pure conjuncture"

 

Pure conjuncture?

conjuncture - a critical combination of events or circumstances

 

I'm not sure what was intended by that comment.

 

CONJEXTURE is the word I wished to type.  Not sure whether auto-correct on my iPad inserted it or I just missed it when I quickly proof read the post.

We're just jerking your chain, no harm intended.

 

No worries at all.  No offense taken whatsoever.

Marty,
A track record of addressing design flaws does not mean you have a plan.
It is also not evidence of having one.

Facts persuade. Past performance is also not an indicator of forward thinking.
Otherwise, they would not be in this predicament.

I can honestly say that I am not aware of these LCS bus devices or what they are.
But if Lionel is not giving them to Legacy owners for free than the are not addressing the issue as far as I am concerned.

Good luck ffffffffffFred.

I post here more than, or at least equal to, Mike.  Maybe you just don't notice.

Jon

Hi Marty,
My point exactly.
You may agree with me more than you think or are willing to publicly acknowledge.

 

I know you do!!

 

I was just asking for mike to chime in because the same questions is still getting asked even after you explain it.

 

some time the top boss has to chime in in order for others to understand what is going on.

 

I di not intend this to get so out of hand.

 

 

NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT LEE WILLIS WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!

 

people making a mountain out of a mole hill!!!!

 

 

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!!!

Jon's post is made with an intent at humor, I believe. He's a pretty chill

guy from what I recall of him from long ago contacts.

 

I'm just delighted that Jon and Mike post here at all, given that no one from

the other major product providers (with the exception of 3rd Rail's Scott Mann)

post at all, generally speaking.

 

It takes some patience and good faith for manufacturers to post, given that

some threads (not this one) contain abusive or otherwise negative responses

from the less socially "ept" and civil members of the hobby .

 

Agreed!

You guess live in a strange world.
Walter from RMT posts.
The Dz Stuff guy posts.
Ross posts.
Dennis Brennan posts.

Guess you guys got Lionel on the Brain syndrome.
Does negative response mean anything you do not like.
Than I guess all your responses are negative.

Adults can disagree and also have opinions that do not align with yours.

Any making dismissive comments that are not really related to the subject does not add to the discussion.

And who is AlanH?

Dismissive?  How is wishing you luck dismissive. I disagree with you and hope you get satisfaction. AlanH also feels as you do. I thought maybe you knew him. I guess not. 

 

Its great that all those folks you mention post here. Along with Andy from MTH and the Lionel folks. It truly is a great place. 

 

I would suggest writing Lionel directly and see if they'll do anything for you. 

I guess if you don't like the Lionel product and/or distrust the company, it's time to move on.  Perhaps model HO and skip all the poor performing O-gauge companies.

 

"You guess live in a strange world.
Walter from RMT posts.
The Dz Stuff guy posts.
Ross posts.
Dennis Brennan posts.

Guess you guys got Lionel on the Brain syndrome."

 

That last line is a bit more dismissive than any of the comments you are responding to, don't you think?  Not worth getting exercised about, in my view, but not the most collegial or pleasant response to those with differing viewpoints, which is in part what you are suggesting.  I live in the same world as you, but as you note, people can have differing opinions on the experiences of that world.

 

Nonetheless, none of the important vendors you mention is remotely as large or complicated an enterprise as Jon and Mike are involved in.  As much as I appreciate their products, their impact and importance to the hobby is relatively small compared with Lionel, for obvious reasons.  So having posts from by far the largest vendor in the hobby, Lionel, is truly to be appreciated, at least by me .  And we've heard from Mike and Jon about 10 times as often, at least, as from anyone from, say Atlas, MTH or Williams by Bachmann. This is not meant as criticism of Atlas, MTH or WBB, but as appreciation for Lionel.  And hopefully, no one at RMT, Ross or either of the Dennis guys will stop posting because my comments have hurt their feelings.

I appreciate Mike and Jon and everyone from all of the venders that post here and support this forum.. I'm actually quite surprised and pleased that Mike and Jon from a company as large as Lionel and without a doubt the largest player in the game take the time to listen to what is being said here and to respond to us... Just think about how many of the big guys don't spend the effort.. Thanks guys!!

I think a lot of us appreciate that...and probably don't say it often enough!

I am super happy that Lionel and 3rd rail keep us in the picture, that is why they get most all of my biz. That and they are making a good product now I think all mine have worked as expected now that the Lionel sound Volume is back they are GREAT!!!!.

 

As far as that guy Alan H, I thought his is a name not to be spoken in good company. or was that Matt Jackson or John K ?

Tired of waiting for Legacy? I was too, until I purchased the new Cab1L and Base.

It is much simpler and even quills Legacy horn/whistles. Very use friendly.

I run mostly diesels and TMCC steam, so it serves me well. Older TMCC users will find it very familiar to use and more   I even picked up an extra Cab1L controller for use on our original Legacy club layout. It works well and is easy for youngsters to operate. At least now  the LHS can sell trains and controllers to new folks entering the hobby.  Bravo Lionel.       

Conductor Earl

      

First off, I'm thrilled that we get top guys from major manufacturers like Lionel and other makers here, it's a great boost to the value of the forum.  I'm hoping some of the feedback they get here is also of value to their organizations, I like to think it is.  I agree we probably don't express our appreciation for them keeping us in the loop as far as the products from their respective companies are concerned.

 

I'm not nearly as concerned about my "old" Legacy being obsolete as some here are.  It would be a colossal blunder for Lionel to abandon their flagship product because of a production change, and I'd frankly be very amazed if that was even considered anywhere inside the halls of the company!  This whole conversation seems to be a tempest in a teapot.

 

As far as the CAB-1L, I got to actually use one for the first time the other night at the club, it worked just fine with the Legacy base.  It is a nice bridge product, and also the remote is a good fit for kids, much less to break on it, drop the Legacy remote and you're likely to be very unhappy!

 

Additional Cab1L thoughts.

It seems like Cab1L is a win-win for Lionel and consumers.  My LHS sells 100 conventional train sets to one DCS or Legacy/TMCC set.  What a great introduction  Cab1L could be for remote control. It is what made the original TMCC-Powermaster combo useful in the first place. It encouraged conventional users to try new products. I believe the full blown Legacy's future is safe.  For experienced operators it is good to have, but is best for those of us who can afford to buy the high end steam and other Legacy products in order to operate the exotic Legacy features.

Lets continue to get new folks to walk before they run. Let fun ensue.

 

Conductor EArl   

What I like about the CAB-1L is that it's also compatible with the Legacy base, so it makes a handy extra remote.

I've watched a lot of conventional and LionChief stuff go out the door at Henning's, and I think only a couple of command models.  I'm not there all the time, but clearly the conventional stuff still outpaces command by a comfortable margin.

 

Hi John,
Who is making assumptions now.
I never said that I did not like or trust Lionel.
I am just not going to praise them until they resolve what is clearly one of their biggest challenges in along time.

"I guess if you don't like the Lionel product and/or distrust the company, it's time to move on.  Perhaps model HO and skip all the"
gunrunnerjohn

And of course Lionel is going to post on the Forum.
If anything, they should be grateful for the opportunity to reach out to their customers on what is by far the best and most read O Gauge forum.

And I all understand and respect the moderators duty not to bite the hands that pay the bills.
But just because they post, does not mean that what they are posting is always correct.
Just like the continuously updated scheduled delivery dates, a little bit of spin goes a long way.

But way off the topic.
My recap is that the status is still in flux.
There are design changes.
Their is no real incentive to repair the older Legacy units.
Most will be out of Warranty soon anyway.
Like the Cab-1, there will still be an aftermarket interest.
Just because parts are not available goes not mean they will all stop working.
They seem to have a fairly good track record.

Just MHO.and of course based on assumptions like everyone else's.

And the Lionel comment was a bit snarky.
More of a button pusher than dismissive. Must be a character defect of mine.

And this pearl of wisdom comes from a reliable source?  Somehow I doubt that Lionel will share your viewpoint.

My thoughts too. Easy to be negative and blaming.

Keep doing what you are doing Lionel, Jon, and Mike...and do more of it

I cannot get myself concerned about this sort of issue.  There are many alternatives Lionel could use to make Legacy users whole if there are problems with component availability or system functionality.  They have free access to  TMCC, DCC and Lion Chief Plus as well as Legacy protocols/hardware/software. They have no shortage of potential work arounds that will keep TMCC and Legacy locos working into the indefinite future.  I choose to worry about more important issues, like parking at work .  I have complete faith that Jon, Mike and their colleagues will keep us knee deep in working equipment over the coming decade or two, at least.  Beyond that, it's a problem for the next generation.