Three Alco PAs on my 12’-by-8’ layout. A-A set #0770 and #0767 by MTH has the 1948 paint scheme of warm-orange, green roof and silver-gray pinstripes used on New Haven’s first 10 Alco PAs. #0771 by Sunset Models has the 1949 green and gold paint scheme used on its next 17 PAs. Locomotives with the 1948 paint scheme were repainted into the green and gold scheme in the early 1950s.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:Three Alco PAs on my 12’-by-8’ layout. A-A set #0770 and #0767 by MTH has the 1948 paint scheme of warm-orange, green roof and silver-gray pinstripes used on New Haven’s first 10 Alco PAs. #0771 by Sunset Models has the 1949 green and gold paint scheme used on its next 17 PAs. Locomotives with the 1948 paint scheme were repainted into the green and gold scheme in the early 1950s.
MELGAR
Nice Mel, always a pleasure watching your smooth running trains.
Gene
Here are the catalog pics…….
Have a great and safe day, everyone!
Peter
Peter. The Lionel catalogs were so great to see when I was growing up. They were so nice.
@Putnam Division posted:Here are the catalog pics…….
Have a great and safe day, everyone!
Peter
Always appreciated the art in the older catalogs. Even in the waning years of toy trains, Lionel still showed the trains in artistic scenes (even tho that New Haven set looks to be in the Rockies)...
As a youngster, I found the Lionel trains and catalogs so interesting and exciting. I'm still stuck on the trains decades later...
MELGAR
@DMASSO posted:Peter. The Lionel catalogs were so great to see when I was growing up. They were so nice.
Don……I am fortunate to have catalogs from 1946 through 1968, with 46 being a repro of the insert in Liberty Magazine. I page through them frequently.
Peter
Well, I had a little time off this Friday so I was looking to see where I might contribute. I really like this NH thread but have almost nothing to add, then I remembered this Marx E-7 AB unit so I thought I would post it just to participate. But great pictures everyone, loved reviewing your postings.
Best Wishes, Don
How about some New Haven Railroad action?
New Haven Alco RS-1 #0668:
MELGAR
@Putnam Division posted:I know it's not scale; and, I know that the Helicopter Car and the Mecury Capsule Carrying Car never existed in real life, but, it's darn cute! (and, it's New Haven!)
Peter
It may not be exactly to scale but it looks right, which, to me, is the important thing. It is a testimonial to the attractiveness, adaptability, and agelessness of those trains that they look so good in that setting and add to it.
@Putnam Division posted:Let's give Set# 11232 from 1962 a spin on the layout.......
I know it's not scale; and, I know that the Helicopter Car and the Mecury Capsule Carrying Car never existed in real life, but, it's darn cute! (and, it's New Haven!)
Peter
Peter,
Modeler's license is permissible, especially if it's New Haven.
I used to attend the annual meetings of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association - NHRHTA. There was a member who had a display of numerous "New Haven" model trains that "never existed in real life." He referred to his models as "Non-Haven."
So, just to contribute another example, first photo shows “Non-Haven” NE-6 caboose C-649 by MTH that ran on my layout this week. The New Haven Railroad never had a caboose of this type. Second photo shows a prototypical model of New Haven NE-6 caboose C-681 by Atlas O as it existed in real life.
The conclusion is that “Non-Havens” have been with us in O gauge for a long time and probably will continue to be in the future too.
MELGAR
A new MTH U-25B in New Haven Livery was a special run by JR Junction in Syracuse. Seen here on my New Haven section of the layout with a revenue freight.
At the annual meetings of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association – NHRHTA – I used to see a member who had a display of numerous "New Haven" model trains that never existed in real life. He referred to his models as "Non-Havens."
Shown below are two “Non-Havens” that I noticed recently and found surprising.
First photo shows New Haven NE-6 Northeastern caboose C-649 by MTH.
Second photo shows New Haven NE-6 Extended-Vision caboose C-649, also by MTH.
The New Haven Railroad never had a caboose of either of these types. So, both are not only “Non-Havens” but they have the same road number – something that I thought MTH avoids on models that differ from each other.
Third photo shows a prototypical model of New Haven NE-6 caboose C-681 by Atlas O. In real life, this is how New Haven C-649 looked.
The conclusion is that “Non-Havens” have been with us in O gauge for a long time and probably will continue to be in the future too.
MELGAR
@MELGAR posted:At the annual meetings of the New Haven Railroad Historical and Technical Association – NHRHTA – I used to see a member who had a display of numerous "New Haven" model trains that never existed in real life. He referred to his models as "Non-Havens."
Shown below are two “Non-Havens” that I noticed recently and found surprising.
First photo shows New Haven NE-6 Northeastern caboose C-649 by MTH.
Second photo shows New Haven NE-6 Extended-Vision caboose C-649, also by MTH.
The New Haven Railroad never had a caboose of either of these types. So, both are not only “Non-Havens” but they have the same road number – something that I thought MTH avoids on models that differ from each other.
Third photo shows a prototypical model of New Haven NE-6 caboose C-681 by Atlas O. In real life, this is how New Haven C-649 looked.
The conclusion is that “Non-Havens” have been with us in O gauge for a long time and probably will continue to be in the future too.
MELGAR
Isn’t that true of many models of several manufacturers? They use liveries of RR that never ran certain engines; but they bang them out.
@pennsyfan posted:Isn’t that true of many models of several manufacturers? They use liveries of RR that never ran certain engines; but they bang them out.
Yes. But the discussion here is about the New Haven Railroad.
MELGAR
Photos and video show my recently purchased MTH Premier model (20-21845-1) of New Haven Railroad GE U25B #2507. The video shows the model running smoothly under conventional control at 10 scale miles-per-hour on my 10’-by-5’ layout. The diesel engine sounds are noticeably different than on MTH models of Alco locomotives.
The U25B was introduced in 1960 and had a 2,500 horsepower four-cycle V-16 diesel powerplant. Its weight was 252,000 pounds with a tractive effort of 75,000 pounds for starting and 64,000 pounds continuously. GE produced 478 U25B’s between 1959 and 1966. The New Haven ordered 10 U25Bs (class DERS-7) in 1964 at a cost of $170,068 each. They were known as “U-boats” and went into service on the New Haven’s Maybrook Line in October and November of 1964 running in three- and four-unit sets. Sixteen more were ordered a year later. Road numbers were 2500 to 2525 and referred to the 2500 horsepower rating. Road numbers 2500 to 2509 had a one-piece windshield and the others had a split windshield. The MTH model of #2507 has a split windshield that should be one-piece – but it’s otherwise accurate as far as I can see. #2525 was the last locomotive built for the New Haven Railroad and is preserved at the Railroad Museum of New England/Naugatuck Railroad in Thomaston, CT.
MELGAR
New Haven Mountain type 3310 heads a mixed freight into Cedar Hill Yard and above is New Haven Mountain 3507 with a train load of refrigerator cars also headed for Cedar Hill in New Haven.
New Haven FM no, 798 leads an all heavyweight passenger consist into Scranton on my free lance NYNY&H NYO&W layout. Not many passengers today.
Our club received an nice collection of unused O scale trains. Some we are selling through an auction house for the owner. We were able to keep some nice pieces. The other day I opened a box and found this nice non-command Lionel New Haven which we will display and run.
I’ve mentioned “Non-Havens” previously. They are model trains in New Haven liveries that are not prototypical. O gauge has many examples.
This model (MTH 20-91036) of New Haven extended-vision caboose C-692 is a “Non-Haven.” The real New Haven Railroad never had an extended-vision caboose, although some of its steel cabooses were painted black with block “NH” letters, like the model. The model was delivered in 2001 at MSRP $44.95 and has been on my shelf ever since but never run until now.
New Haven C-692 is now back on the shelf...
MELGAR
Another example of "non haven" was MTH's DL109 B unit. While other roads purchased B units, the New Haven did not. But it was very hard for me to pass up that Hunter Green unit when I saw it at York. The B unit was supplied with two motors so operating the A&B units together gets plenty of pulling power for longer trains.
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