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I have a Sunset 3rd rail FP7 A powered and released a couple of years later a matching powered F7B. 3 rail engines with TMCC. I have had them for several years but never been able to get them to run together without one or the other spinning its wheels under TMCC or conventional till I get them up to running speed. I have tried everything resetting and changing settings to try to get them to run together but no luck. Have very little running time on the Sunset engines perhaps 2 hours total, as they will not work together.

As they will not pull the matching 10 car passenger train on a slight grade, I just painted up a pair of MTH F7's to match the passenger cars to reliably pull the 10 car passenger set from Sunset and the MTH engines have worked great.

I was trying them recently on a large layout - wide radius curves and the cover plates over the center axles fell off on the B unit. I now find that the wheels just spin loosely with no contact with the gears with the 2 center axles. I have tried to push them down to make contact but no luck? The outside axles mesh with the gears OK. Do I just replace the cover plates? or is there something missing as shown in these photos?

Any thoughts on getting them to work together, the A and B units?

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What ^^Pat said.  It's possible that the gearboxes were loose all along.  Lack of proper gear mesh would definitely impact starting / running characteristics.

You probably know this, but before attempting to run locos in an MU configuration, it's best to place them on the same track separated by a foot or two, and gradually advance the throttle until both units are moving smoothly.  I would test in conventional mode first, in case one of the locos isn't reliably receiving the command signal.  I'm not sure what boards were in those.  But if there's a momentum setting, I would set it to "low" in both locos for the initial test.  Observe the starting characteristics and any speed difference as you increase the throttle.

If one of the locos hesitates at start-up, it could have a mechanical bind.  Take the shell off and turn the flywheel by hand for 15-20 full turns, you should be able to feel if it's sticking.  It might also be necessary to separate the lower drive shaft and check each truck separately.  Check for rubbing brake shoes or debris jamming the wheels.

If the issue is some sort of programmed starting delay, or the on-board circuitry is getting out of synch with regard to forward, neutral, and reverse then it might be preferable to power both units from just one of the TMCC boards.  These are single-motor units if I recall.  Of course you would have to add a tether between units.  But I imagine that you wouldn't ever run the B unit by itself.  And by tethering, you would never have to sync them again!

If you do the test, perhaps you could post a video.  In any case, don't give up, let us know what you find!

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