Happy Switcher Saturday. Southern NW2 #2401a switching around the layout.

jhz563 - Thanks for starting SWSAT!

Here are three New York Central steam switchers in order of wheel arrangement and size. I had intended to show three USRA switchers, but there were only two types because the 0-4-0 switcher was obsolete by the time the USRA designed the 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 types during World War I.

0-4-0 #901 may not have had an actual NYC prototype.

The USRA 0-6-0 had 51-inch drivers, weighed 309,000 pounds (engine and tender) and developed 39,100 pounds of tractive effort at a cost of $36,000 in 1918.

The USRA 0-8-0 had 51-inch drivers, weighed 364,000 pounds (engine and tender) and developed 51,042 pounds of tractive effort.

The 0-4-0 and 0-6-0 are MTH Premier PS2 models. The 0-8-0 is an MTH Railking model with PS1.

MELGAR

$36K in 1918? Wow, I wonder what the Marx version cost .

Heavy switcher at work in France, a BB67000 of the SNCF and his truck is moving cereal cars. The model is from RV ZERO, french manufacturer.

Have a great weekend,  Daniel

Happy SWSat!

Thanks for getting us rolling @jhz563

Wonder what happened to Rich?

We are heading home from a few days of R&R in New Hampshire. Ran across this little guy in Lincoln last year.

Have a great weekend.

Bob

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RSJB18 posted:

Happy SWSat!

Thanks for getting us rolling @jhz563

Wonder what happened to Rich?

We are heading home from a few days of R&R in New Hampshire. Ran across this little guy in Lincoln last year.

Have a great weekend.

Bob

That looks like a fun little loco to drive Bob.  Rich said he had some personal business this and next weekend at the end of last weekend’s thread.  I am not one of the usual go-to cover guys, but I figured I could fill in 

Well SWSat is still rolling. 

Thanks for getting things going this week. I am traveling on business in Texas and just have my iPhone on me so long thought out ideas and important ideas are not coming to me. I am sorry I have not responded to those who know who they are. I am still going through my thoughts and I will get back. I am sure you know who you are. 

So I have a new to me MTH GP 40-2 that is waiting a two rail conversion when I can. I am very happy to finally have this in my childhood favorite line. I grew up in Alexandria VA. Home of Potomac Yard. One of my favorite spots in my youth. It needs a few modifications for accuracy like the handrails need to be white across the sill, control cabinet box and some other frame end mods along with new wheels.

That CP Rail Systems behind it is a GP 38 it is a 2 rail Weaver and I may just swap drives for simplicity’s sake.

I did get to swing by Kings Hobbies here in Austin and it is really a great old shop with a ton of consignment. It reminded me of long gone hobby shops I went into in my youth

I got some 2 rail wheels to swap for 3s that I want to convert, a copy of the MR Cyclopedia Vol 2 which I was missing and long time looking to pick up at a nice price and this 0-6-0 Plymouth from Atlas that will round  out my 0-4-0 Plymouth from AHM. Next week I will post a family shot with my Kline 0-4-0 Plymouth as well. This is 2 rail o scale.

Hopefully the fact that I mentioned that 2 rail O scale exists here does not violate the TOS. I also can’t verify if everything I post can fit around a 31 inch diameter curve.

All images I posted were taken by me or are of images that I own or that predate publication in 1923. Have a great weekend can’t wait to see what you guys post. 

JHZ thanks for getting us started. 

Here's a black and white copy of my switching mock-up that I put together a few months ago. My trusty workbench-layout #228 prewar switcher is seen passing a cabin car.

Tom

Good afternoon fellow SWsat friends!  Great photos from everyone!  Thanks JHZ for getting us rolling today!   I'm getting to the switcher party a bit late today, as I had many errands to run this morning.   Today I'm posting some re-peats.... random photos of switchers doing their thing on the Free State Junction Railway.   Hopefully I'll get time soon to create new scenes and photograph them.  Have a wonderful weekend everyone!

We went out for a boat ride today and saw a ship being loaded at the Carmeuse Lime & Stone mine near Cedarville, MI.  Lucky for us, we also saw the switcher dumping the stone.

Happy Switcher Saturday!

Patrick, Trumptrain, Wow, talk about Switchers, nice pictures, great scenery, I love the B&O diesels and the B&O box car, FRENCHTRAINS, great pictures of interesting diesels, Melgar, great lineup of Steam Switchers and road Locomotives, a very cool layout to, SIRT, Very nice layout, lineup of weathered box cars, great picture, Johan, very nice Southern Switchers, weathered nicely, great layout to, Briansilvermustang, love that Rock Island switcher, Silverlake, what’s the road name RF-P on that beautiful diesel, neat pictures, Bob, I like the Loon Mountain Steamer, Wow, very interesting place indeed, MNCW great black and white pictures, nice precwar 0-6-0 Steamer, Rapid Transit Homes, Beautiful B &O Real Steam Locomotive, a Wow,  JHZ563, great Saturday thread, Everyone, great day for reading about trains....Have a fun weekend everyone.

 

leapinlarry posted:

 Silverlake, what’s the road name RF-P on that beautiful diesel, neat pictures

The Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac also known as Rich Folks and Preachers. It ran from Richmond to Potomac yard just south of DC. Mainly it was a bridge from the south to the north. 

It interchanged with many RRs. ACL Seaboard,C&O,Southern, Pennsy and B&O.

My 88 tonner:

Arnold, Cool 88 tonners, neat accessories, radar tower etc., a great way to escape a world of troubles, Silver Lake, thanks for defining my question earlier. Neat engine, Rich Folks and Preachers is a cool fantasy name, just kidding....Great Pictures and Arnold, it is great therapy.....Happy Railroading 

leapinlarry posted:

Arnold, Cool 88 tonners, neat accessories, radar tower etc., a great way to escape a world of troubles, Silver Lake, thanks for defining my question earlier. Neat engine, Rich Folks and Preachers is a cool fantasy name, just kidding....Great Pictures and Arnold, it is great therapy.....Happy Railroading 

Larry, thank you for your comment. The 2 lashed up Postwar center cab diesels in the photo I posted, are each 44 tonners. Together they equal my 88 tonner.

I understand that those 44 tonners are much to large to be O Scale, so it is understandable you thought each was an 88 tonner.

Arnold, I knew that, but, forgot while commenting, which indicates, I am getting older, the mind seems to be slipping more often,  thanks for the heads up. I enjoy watching your layout and your action videos. This is a fun hobby and everyone’s pictures are a joy to view. I like the 44 toners, is there one withTMCC/Legacy? Happy Railroading 

Arnold you should work on articulating the joint on that 88 tonner

leapinlarry posted:

Arnold, I knew that, but, forgot while commenting, which indicates, I am getting older, the mind seems to be slipping more often,  thanks for the heads up. I enjoy watching your layout and your action videos. This is a fun hobby and everyone’s pictures are a joy to view. I like the 44 toners, is there one withTMCC/Legacy? Happy Railroading 

A modern 44 tonner centercab diesel with prototypically slow speed, great sounds, great smoke, great pulling power, and front and rear electrocouplers of a great Eastern railroad (PRR, NY Central, NH or B&O) is definitely on my wish list. Has one with all those features been made yet? If not, is MTH and Lionel listening?

I would love one that is either a Proto 3 or LC+2.0. 

Common Lionel and MTH, get to work and make it happen. And don't charge more than $300 for it. LOL, Arnold

PS: What do you think, guys and gals, am I asking too much?

Bonjour Daniel FRENCH TRAINS.

i was not aware that there are Rail-marine operations in France.

it looks like a ferry with train capacity in the bottom and automobiles or tucks on the douziem   etage. Tres enterestant!

would you share with me where this location is?  I am a big fan of rail marine operation and have modeled NY harbor  operations  in O scale.

lovely models of the prototype as well.

merci bien monsieur.

always a pleasure to see your post on switcher Saturday.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

A modern 44 tonner centercab diesel with prototypically slow speed, great sounds, great smoke, great pulling power, and front and rear electrocouplers of a great Eastern railroad (PRR, NY Central, NH or B&O) is definitely on my wish list. Has one with all those features been made yet? If not, is MTH and Lionel listening?

I would love one that is either a Proto 3 or LC+2.0. 

Common Lionel and MTH, get to work and make it happen. And don't charge more than $300 for it. LOL, Arnold

PS: What do you think, guys and gals, am I asking too much?

Arnold,

MTH has been making this exactly-to-scale GE New Haven 44 tonner in its Premier line with PS3 for several years. It meets most of your requirements but is too small for a smoke unit and goes for about $400 new from a dealer.

MELGAR

Well another beautiful Saturday here in Maine, at least I got a break to sit outside for lunch while on duty at work. I even had the opportunity to browse Switcher Saturday in between workload. Without a doubt this always is my favorite topic here on the forum. A BIG thank you to Arnold, Melgar, Coach Joe, silver lake Andy down in the heart of Texas ( hey what else did you see at King's Hobby? Intrigued) RPM Cobra, Trumptrain, Leapinlarry, TNKmarx, MNCW Tom, SIRT, BARGP7, French Trains Daniel,   and officially leading the way  JHZ563. 

All my best for a great week. 

Leroof.

Melgar, the MTH  NH 44 toner is gorgeous. Convince or Talk Arnold into it! He needs one of these! Lol.

i had a couple of custom brass painted  in NH livery in O scale (2 rail) long ago.

i might still have the photos, I will look.

leroof

Thanks Pierre. Would like to see photo of your brass NH 44 tonner. And - Arnold really does NEED one.

MELGAR

Leroof posted:

Well another beautiful Saturday here in Maine, at least I got a break to sit outside for lunch while on duty at work. I even had the opportunity to browse Switcher Saturday in between workload. Without a doubt this always is my favorite topic here on the forum. A BIG thank you to Arnold, Melgar, Coach Joe, silver lake Andy down in the heart of Texas ( hey what else did you see at King's Hobby? Intrigued) RPM Cobra, Trumptrain, Leapinlarry, TNKmarx, MNCW Tom, SIRT, BARGP7, French Trains Daniel,   and officially leading the way  JHZ563. 

All my best for a great week. 

Leroof.

We're in New Hampshire this week. As the USA goes we're practically neighbors. 😁

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

My 88 tonner:

I'll see your 88 tons of fun Arnold - and raise you 44 😂

Not exactly like Mel's but I love the NH

Bob

RSJB18, an exceptional weekend for New England travelers. And yes practically neighbors indeed continentally speaking.

"raise you 44" that's funny! Arnold will appreciate that.

Is that a Williams or Lionel 44 (ish) loco ?  Btw have always liked the second level on your layout. Planning on one for my pike too.

Melgar I will look for the NH scale loco photos tomorrow in a retired PC!

leroof

Leroof posted:

Bonjour Daniel FRENCH TRAINS.

i was not aware that there are Rail-marine operations in France.

it looks like a ferry with train capacity in the bottom and automobiles or tucks on the douziem   etage. Tres enterestant!

would you share with me where this location is?  I am a big fan of rail marine operation and have modeled NY harbor  operations  in O scale.

lovely models of the prototype as well.

merci bien monsieur.

always a pleasure to see your post on switcher Saturday.

Bonjour Mister Leroof,

There is no many rail-marine operations in France, we are a small country and it is not justified. The most important traffic has taken place between Great Britain and the north coast with passenger trains from London to Paris.

The pictures where taken in Dunkerque, north of France. Even the BB64700 is not a comon model, only 23 has been built for the SNCF and they where used in big rail yards to switch cars; they where not used to run trains. They where built in the 90's and are still in service.

Very best,  Daniel

Rich Yoder GE44 tonner, much smaller, still not scale.     This one has a early ERR,TMCC upgrade with sound, electro-couplers added.   Compared to a Weaver Pennsy A5 0-4-0.       Model problem is the vertical can motors take a certain amount of space.  44 tonner engine compartment was very narrow, a scale version doesn't allow can motor space. 

Leroof posted:

 silver lake Andy down in the heart of Texas ( hey what else did you see at King's Hobby? Intrigued)

All my best for a great week. 

Leroof.

Well Leroof, mostly it was consignment stuff. There was a good used book selection. Someone must have really liked Maine narrow gauge because there was a large selection of those books. The Revere Beach has always been interesting to me. There was a lot of Lionel and Kline rolling stock on offer. A ton of MPC and Marx. If anyone wants a Burger King GP 20 Kong’s hobby has several. There was a voice of 4 different Atlas Plymouths in 2 rail and a F9 from the 70’s run. Nice engines at nice prices but I have a few on my project pile. Because many people are averse to two rail there was a big bag of two rail wheel sets for $10. Exactly what I wanted. Enough to convert ten of my  cars that I am keeping to two rail.  

I had a feeling the wheels would be an issue at the airport and sure enough Going through the TSA line yesterday it really set the x Ray alarm off. So I had a nice conversation about model trains with one of the agents. His brother had a big B&O layout in HO. B&O must be unusual in Texas.

I picked up these books besides the Atlas 0-6-0 Plymouth. I like the color guide series for car research and the cyclopedia has been on my list for a long time. The Steam version is everywhere but for whatever reason the diesel one has been hard to find.

Mike CT posted:

Rich Yoder GE44 tonner, much smaller, still not scale.     This one has a early ERR,TMCC upgrade with sound, electro-couplers added.   Compared to a Weaver Pennsy A5 0-4-0.    Model problem is the vertical can motors take a certain amount of space.  44 tonner engine compartment was very narrow, a scale version doesn't allow can motor space. 

 

Mike,

I was under the impression that the MTH and Yoder models both were exactly scale-sized. The MTH has two vertical can motors. Is the MTH hood width scale and less than Yoder's?

MELGAR

MELGAR posted:

Mike CT posted:

Rich Yoder GE44 tonner, much smaller, still not scale.     This one has a early ERR,TMCC upgrade with sound, electro-couplers added.   Compared to a Weaver Pennsy A5 0-4-0.    Model problem is the vertical can motors take a certain amount of space.  44 tonner engine compartment was very narrow, a scale version doesn't allow can motor space. 

 

Mike,

I was under the impression that the MTH and Yoder models both were exactly scale-sized. The MTH has two vertical can motors. Is the MTH hood width scale and less than Yoder's?

MELGAR

Mel,

My understanding is that the MTH model as well as the newer Williams by Bachman are models of one realitively common version of this engine and the Rich Yoder has offered several models because there was quite a bit of variation over the many years GE offered the 44 tonner. Easy to spot externally are the side rods or lack of, the louvres, the hood shape, the side trim that covers the steps to the cab and the shape of the fuel tank or if it has a streamlined trim piece over it. After the engines were sold many companies added weight to them so the actual weight varies quite a bit. Over the years Yoder has offered many of these various types. But yes a GE 44 tonner has quite a bit of variety.

The post war Lionel and the Williams copy of it are very oversized for a 44 tonner and would be closer to a 1/32 scale narrow gauge engine like the Kline Porter. 

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Mike CT posted:

Rich Yoder GE44 tonner, much smaller, still not scale.     This one has a early ERR,TMCC upgrade with sound, electro-couplers added.   Compared to a Weaver Pennsy A5 0-4-0.    Model problem is the vertical can motors take a certain amount of space.  44 tonner engine compartment was very narrow, a scale version doesn't allow can motor space.

My specific question for MIKECT is whether the MTH GE 44 Tonner is exactly scale. He also says that the Yoder model is "still not scale." What is not scale about either of these?

I'm consulting "Model Railroader Cyclopedia - Volume 2, Diesel Locomotives" by Bob Hayden and published by Kalmbach Books, to check this out. As far as I can see so far, the MTH model is a correct reproduction of the real thing. In any case, it's certainly close enough for me.

MELGAR

Loooong train for the Plywood Empire Route:

The SW1500 is up to the task though!

BTW, who says Fastrack is too noisy. I love the wheels clicking over the joints in this video.

Lew

Silver Lake posted:

MELGAR posted:

Mike CT posted:

Rich Yoder GE44 tonner, much smaller, still not scale.     This one has a early ERR,TMCC upgrade with sound, electro-couplers added.   Compared to a Weaver Pennsy A5 0-4-0.    Model problem is the vertical can motors take a certain amount of space.  44 tonner engine compartment was very narrow, a scale version doesn't allow can motor space. 

 

Mike,

I was under the impression that the MTH and Yoder models both were exactly scale-sized. The MTH has two vertical can motors. Is the MTH hood width scale and less than Yoder's?

MELGAR

 

 

Mel,

My understanding is that the MTH model as well as the newer Williams by Bachman are models of one realitively common version of this engine and the Rich Yoder has offered several models because there was quite a bit of variation over the many years GE offered the 44 tonner. Easy to spot externally are the side rods or lack of, the louvres, the hood shape, the side trim that covers the steps to the cab and the shape of the fuel tank or if it has a streamlined trim piece over it. After the engines were sold many companies added weight to them so the actual weight varies quite a bit. Over the years Yoder has offered many of these various types. But yes a GE 44 tonner has quite a bit of variety.

The post war Lionel and the Williams copy of it are very oversized for a 44 tonner and would be closer to a 1/32 scale narrow gauge engine like the Kline Porter. 

"Side Rods" am I missing something here?  I do not recall see any GE 44 with side rods.?!  Am I wrong?

Ron