The Dreyfuss...just how many?

I believe there were 10 streamlined according to the Dreyfuss design.

I think I have the cab #'s in a book @ home. I can check later.

From Al Staufer's Steam Power of the New York Central System, Vol. 1, Modern power, 1915-1955: 5445-5454. 10 locomotives

Thanks. I know about those.
What I meant was

3rd rail
williams
weaver
MTH
Lionel

Have they made all the numbas?

rat

Im guessing that the hardest to find and maybe afford will be the red and the blue Lionel ones, very few made.

Those were the Commodog Vanderbilts

rat

Right you are! Coffee hadn't seeped in yet, LOL

10 were originally built with Dreyfuss streamlining. In 1939 the 5344 also received the same streamlining for a total of 11. See page 206 in "Thoroughbreds" by Staufer and May.

All of these listed below were full O scale models. MTH and K line have made traditional sized O gauge versions.

3rd rail---issued a Dreyfuss J3 once in conjunction with the Golden gate Depot release of 20th century limited cars.The cars were available in 1938 and 1940 versions .

williams---issued a Dreyfuss J-3 at least twice. The first release was not a good runner. The second release was in their Masterpiece series I think and seemed like an excellent and good running model

weaver----Issued a Dreyfuss at least once in 1992 as part of their Gold Edition series.There were two versions; a standard tender version with Boxpok drivers and cab no.5445 and a second version with a PT tender.

MTH--- Issued a Dreyfuss J3 at least 3 times , all with PS-2 . The locomotive with the standard lenght tender was done twice and with the PT tender at least once. Versions with the PT tender and the second release of the standard tender. Could be had with Scullin Disc (cab no 5452 std tender cab no.5453 PT tender) or Boxpok drivers (cab no. 5446 PT tnder, cab no 5447, std tender) so appropriate cab numbers should have been used. The initial release with standard lenghth tender had boxpok drivers and had cab no 5445.

Lionel --- Issued it twice. The first release was a highly detailed 2 rail model, cab no. 5450 which was part of their Smithsonian series. A three rail somewhat less detailed version was also made. Lionel had fully detailed Brass cars made for this locomotive. I think theire were about twenty cars and they were about $500 each. A second release of a Dreyfuss J3 was about 2000 or so and was the standard tender lenghth It was cab no. 5452. It had Scullin disc drivers. Lionel made a set off its 16 inch cars for this loco. These cars had detailed interiors. Lionel announced a Legacy version of this loco with the catalog showing Boxpok drivers. This release was subsequently cancelled by Lionel.

There is a wide variation in the grey colors used for these various models. Some folks like the color of Lionels 2000 release as being closest to the prototypes grey.

There were 2 prototype Empire State Express Dreyfuss styled Hudsons which were differrent from the 20th Century Limited Dreyfuss Hudsons.I need to do a little more research for these.

Lionel had a century club two release. The engine is cab no 5429. The lionel model has a feature to remove some of the streamlining to date it to the postwar period. There was a Black PT tender add on option from Century club which with removal of some of the engine's streamlining probably making an interesting locomotive.

MTH made it at least twice. The first release was a proto sound 1 version and the second release was a protosound 2 version. Bothe cab nos 5429 and 5426 were available each time.

Weaver I think released one as part of their Gold Edition series. It is cab no 5426

3rd rail Released an Empire State Hudson to go with the ESE cars from Golden Gate. It is cab no 5429.

The Lionel Smithsonian 2-rail Dreyfuss is cab number 5450.

Jan

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Originally posted by LIRR Steamer:

weaver----Issued a Dreyfuss at least once as part of their Gold Edition series. It had Boxpok drivers and cab no.5445

Weaver actually produced two versions in 1992. One with a 12 wheel tender and one with the PT tender.

Pete

Karl Kantola designed the original C. Vanderbilt streamlining.

Henry Dreyfuss (or his organization) styled the 2 Mercury K-5 Pacifics.

There were 13 Dreyfuss-styled NYC 4-6-4's:

10 original Century-style J3a's, streamlined when built by Alco (Scullin/Boxpok drivers - 50/50 I think).

C. Vanderbilt J1e 5344 re-streamlined in the Dreyfuss style (already had Scullin drivers; different
balancing "hole" pattern).

2 Empire State Express J3a Hudsons (5426 and 5429); also styled by Dreyfuss or his organization; streamlined in 1941.

So, 13 "Dreyfuss" Hudsons.

So, Kids! Collect'em all!

Folks, I updated my earlier post to include data provided by Jan, Norton and D500. I need to do some more research on the ESE Hudsons

Thanks folks. Interesting thread.

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Originally posted by D500:
Karl Kantola designed the original C. Vanderbilt streamlining.

Henry Dreyfuss (or his organization) styled the 2 Mercury K-5 Pacifics.

There were 13 Dreyfuss-styled NYC 4-6-4's:

10 original Century-style J3a's, streamlined when built by Alco (Scullin/Boxpok drivers - 50/50 I think).

C. Vanderbilt J1e 5344 re-streamlined in the Dreyfuss style (already had Scullin drivers; different
balancing "hole" pattern).

2 Empire State Express J3a Hudsons (5426 and 5429); also styled by Dreyfuss or his organization; streamlined in 1941.

So, 13 "Dreyfuss" Hudsons.

So, Kids! Collect'em all!

A Mercury and Vanderbilt are NOT "Dreyfuss Hudsons." They are as built, but NOT Dreyfuss Hudsons as the the name designates.That name applies to ten J3a's only, of which the 5344 was made to be a part of the new machines.The 5344 later on went to become a part of the NYC ESE team.

I didn't say that the C.V'bilt and Mercury were Dreyfuss Hudsons.

There were 13 Hudsons on the NYC styled in the Dreyfuss manner.

Thanks for all the info. I have updated the listings in my earlier post to include the ESE hudsons and numbers.

Enjoy

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Originally posted by D500:


So, 13 "Dreyfuss" Hudsons.

So, Kids! Collect'em all!

Yes you did! Read it!

Wow, this is turning into some enlightening info.

Anybody ever see a picture of the ESE Hudson with "The Mercury" on the nose.

Was that a 5426 or 5429 do over.

thanks

rat

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Originally posted by ratpak:
Wow, this is turning into some enlightening info.

Anybody ever see a picture of the ESE Hudson with "The Mercury" on the nose.

Was that a 5426 or 5429 do over.

thanks

rat

You tell us. You brought the subject up!

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Originally posted by ELESCO:

quote:

Originally posted by D500:


So, 13 "Dreyfuss" Hudsons.

So, Kids! Collect'em all!

Yes you did! Read it!

I see that proper quotation mark usage may not be your thing, but he used quotation marks to highlight "Dreyfus" as in "Dreyfus" Hudsons, as opposed to "Dreyfus Hudsons."

Who was that other "guy that" like to put "in" random quotation "marks?"

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Who was that other "guy that" like to put "in" random quotation "marks?"

Would you be referring to VOX? The troll keeps comming back under different names, but he can't seem to hide his mannerisms, can he?

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Originally posted by Hot Water:

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Who was that other "guy that" like to put "in" random quotation "marks?"

Would you be referring to VOX? The troll keeps comming back under different names, but he can't seem to hide his mannerisms, can he?

Rick usually tells us by now. I think elesco is another troll.

"So let's set the group of you straight about who I am. I am ELESCO. I'm not Vox, not Feedwater, not anyone other than ELESCO. " Quotation marks are a neccessary need to express personal thought. Unless you are inferring that D500 is Vox, you all need to bite your tongues. If you don't like what I say, put me on your ignore list. I've already notified the webmaster of these posts. "ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT ANYONE ELSE BUT ELESCO. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?"

Yep,
It's like my Grand Ma use to say "There's one in every Bunch"

They're like stink bugs . You get rid of one and theres 20 more where that one came from


David

Elesco, either you figure out how to get along with people here or I will figure out how we can all get along without you. Do I make myself perfectly clear?

quote:

Originally posted by DPC:
Yep,
It's like my Grand Ma use to say "There's one in every Bunch"

They're like stink bugs . You get rid of one and theres 20 more where that one came from


David

And then that one in the bunch, DPC, shows up!

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Originally posted by OGR Webmaster:
Elesco, either you figure out how to get along with people here or I will figure out how we can all get along without you. Do I make myself perfectly clear?

You know what Rich, It is not me who provokes this BS. If you think I'm Vox or Feedwater or whoever else remove me! Plain and simple! Otherwise you shut up too!

OK, Elesco. It's been nice knowing you. Goodbye.

Thank you Rich.
Don

Nope, wasn't VOX, posting style totally different. This is just another alias from the same guy that used FEED WATER and a couple of other handles in the past; he always posted on things releated to specific PW Lionel threads as well as those related to Hudsons (both prototype and Lionel) and ended up using quotation marks in almost every ending sentence when he started getting confrontational; VOX never did.

Probably won't be long unfortunately until he tries another short-lived return with yet another different handle in uppercase relating to Hudson-related steam engine parts.

By gosh John, you're right! I remember that same idiot trying to tell me about boosters and how that boosters where ONLY for freight steam locomotives. Obviously he had never REALLY worked on a steam locomotive, especially one equipped with a booster, and when I called him on it, he TOTALLY BLEW UP.

Sure takes all kinds.

What must this guys life be like? What a looser to get his kicks this way. Don

Hot Water,

Yes, that was another trait; if he made a statement purporting to be fact and someone ever corrected him on it he would either get all sarcastic on you and others or flat out blow his top. In either case, he would hardly ever refuse to admit he was wrong. It's as if he absolutely couldn't stand being corrected. Oh yeah, he would also deny provoking anyone and would openly threaten to report people to the webmaster as well as always being cryptic with some of his sources of information.

There are a few other patterns he shows that make him easy to spot whenever he returns, including but not limited to, not taking a hint whenever he's been booted off the previous time.

John is this why he said hello to you in my D3R photo thread? I was confused by that. I read his post and thought it was strange.

Yes it was, Charlie, He was trying to flaunt to me the fact that he wasn't booted off yet ever since I first called him out on a previous thread. I just ignored it as I knew it was only a matter of time.

Thanks John.. knew I must have missed something.

Question for LIRR or whomever: Did Williams ever make a Dreyfuss (or a regular Hudson) with Scullin drivers? I recently picked up a Williams Dreyfuss (presumably the later Masterpiece version, since it has a flywheel) with Boxpok drivers and was wondering if it also was made with the Scullin, which I prefer.

While I am at it, did you forget the first O Scale Dreyfus models?  I believe they were Max Gray, of decal fame, imported from Japan.

Yikes Bob, that is really wonderful. Nice job. Don

Wow Bob, very convincing!