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The new Lionel American Flyer FlyerChief EP-5; A review.

As many American Flyer S gauge fans know, the A.C. Gilbert Co. introduced a model of the New Haven RR GE EP-5 in McGinnis colors on the back cover of the 1956 catalog (See below). It was a decent representation of the GE rectifier electric locomotives that often passed by the Gilbert factory. Although originally intended to have black trucks, the Gilbert models were done with silver trucks as was Gilbert practice for most of their diesels. In real life, the EP-5’s picked up the nickname “Jets” because of their loud whine-like ventilator noise. These locomotives saw service on the New Haven and PRR mainlines in passenger service and some examples made it into the Penn Central Era.

Lionel produced two previous reissues of the venerable Nos. 499W and 21573 Gilbert EP-5 models in New Haven McGinnis colors. These are the Nos. 6-48008 and 6-48075 from 1991 and 2009, respectively. Some fantasy road schemes have also been done, but the New Haven version is the subject of the discussion here. The other road name that would be prototypically legitimate, if ever done, is Penn Central. The LTI era 6-48008 was fitted with a drive truck with the early Lionel horizontal can motor (“the coffee grinder drive”) while the 6-48075 was fitted with two of the newer 6-wheel drive trucks (painted prototypical black) resulting in smoother operation and more pulling power.

The latest No. 2021010 FlyerChief entry builds upon those improvements by adding a remote control, electrocouplers, horn, bell, and sounds volume. All the reissues were built using the original Gilbert tool for the shell with some details sharpened and new tooling for the pantographs. Motive power sound is different from the typical for the FlyerChief diesel models, but probably not a close facsimile of the ventilator sounds of the prototype. The Nos. 6-48075 and 2021010 are shown parked side by side on my Gilbert-style layout in the second figure below. Their appearances are virtually identical with only a number change and placement on the sides of the latest model.

My sample arrived in perfect shape with sharp cosmetics, smooth FlyerChief remote operation, a clear bell and horn sound, and two functioning electrocouplers. Start ups and slow speeds are smooth and the speed control works perfectly. As always with this model, the elevated pantographs will not usually clear a No. 792 Terminal Shed without lowering and tethering the height with a wire. So, be sure to check layout vertical clearances. Because it is FlyerChief and operates at a constant 15 V, the model is perfectly operable in a TMCC/Legacy environment with the included FlyerChief remote. The model is also Bluetooth capable via the LionChief App.

The Lionel/AF rendering of the EP-5 is a respectable effort consistent with its intended mission as a reissue of a Postwar Gilbert Flyer engine, which in turn is a better model than the Postwar Lionel model. The new FlyerChief EP-5 looks great pulling the LTI 6-48935, 36, 37 orange stripe passenger cars from 1995, thus forming a de facto reissue of the Gilbert No. 20520 The Bankers from 1959. From a prototypical standpoint, it is also correct to use it in a consist of Gilbert New Haven Pullman-Bradley (“American Flyer”) cars which most Flyer fans have on hand.

The last reissue in 2009 had a street price of about $225 and this new one of about $300. Given the feature enhancements, this represents fair value.

Have fun.

Bob



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@RoyBoy posted:

I was not aware that the previous issue had dual motors. I thought only the latest issue had dual motors.

The parts diagram says one motor.

RadioBoy,

On page 2 of the manual for the 6-48075 under features it lists , "Dual maintenance-free powerful motors" and my sample has two motors. Might you be looking at the diagram for the 6-48008? The 6-48075 was something of a "sleeper" that came and went without much notice.

Hope this helps.

Bob

@RoyBoy posted:

I was not aware that the previous issue had dual motors. I thought only the latest issue had dual motors.

The parts diagram says one motor.

Bob said, "The LTI era 6-48008 was fitted with a drive truck with the early Lionel horizontal can motor (“the coffee grinder drive”) while the 6-48075 was fitted with two of the newer 6-wheel drive trucks (painted prototypical black) resulting in smoother operation and more pulling power."

So yes, the earlier of the 2 previous Flyonel versions had one motor. The 2009 offering has two motors.

Thanks Bob for the update, review, and back story.  Glad to hear you're pleased with the latest release.  Sounds like fun to run.  I guess Lionel may have been watching YouTube and took some notes -  

Conversion of 6-48075 to TMCC, RailSounds, electro-couplers, and LEDs:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExXJmXqohRU

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhxDVyGdfU

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drlenX9i04I

Finished version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdEQZLg5co

The dual vertical motors of the 48075 was an important upgrade.  I'm glad to see the 2021010 has them too.  Enjoy.  https://www.lionel.com/product...ief-ep5-372-2021010/

Could someone comment on the roller pickup currently used on the S gauge locomotives? Has anyone had them snag and/or catch on any track sections? Because of the small size of the roller, this has concerned me.

Thanks,

Steve

Personally, I have had no problems with the smaller rollers and my experience is with Gilbert and K-Line 'traditional' track. My suggestion is watch the quality of your trackwork.

Bob

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@Sgaugian posted:

Thanks Bob for the update, review, and back story.  Glad to hear you're pleased with the latest release.  Sounds like fun to run.  I guess Lionel may have been watching YouTube and took some notes -   <snip>



Nice conversion, Dave. Folks have been routinely converting engines to TMCC/RS for well over a decade, including those who have set up after market cottage industries. There is no question that the conversions result in more play value, however there has always been the debatable value proposition in doing so, particularly with Lionel Flyer Gilbert legacy (small L) reissues. Folks at Lionel at the time such as Todd Wagner and Matt Ashba were making this point to me roughly 17 years ago. Lionel has been reissuing the Gilbert heritage engines using FlyerChief (i.e., the Northern, GP7, Baldwin, and now the EP-5) over the past five years with success and cost effectiveness complete with a 1 year warranty. Of course, this process started with LionChief in traditional O gauge offerings before its kissing cousin FlyerChief. To make the point further, the one legacy Gilbert locomotive type that has been done in Legacy are the PA's for which the current street price is going to be a jaw-dropping $800, thus making a case for the PA's being done in FlyerChief, too.

Enjoy your EP-5's, one and all!

Bob

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Bob,

Thank you for this review, which I believe is well done, concise and importantly fair. My view is that Lionel has done a very good job with this beautiful engine, and I am impressed with the quality, particularly the paint.  The packaging is done well also.  I would also note Flyerchief is very easy to setup and operate.

Mike

@Mike West posted:

Bob,

Thank you for this review, which I believe is well done, concise and importantly fair. My view is that Lionel has done a very good job with this beautiful engine, and I am impressed with the quality, particularly the paint.  The packaging is done well also.  I would also note Flyerchief is very easy to setup and operate.

Mike

Mike,

You are welcome, and a 'tip of the hat' to all of the Flyer fans in upstate New York.

Bob

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