I believe it was about $40usd. anyway, If I didn't get it, I am happy to see it was you.
John
I am returning to focusing my energies on streamliners like this. I have a lot of hornby I will probably be unloading to
afford things like this. Also need to focus on my cars. The cadillac first off.
Enjoy your prize
Best John
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Good Morning
Fatman, I was thinking about the auction that you won. You said you bid with 9 secs left only to be beat by my max bid.
That is interesting because there were only 6 seconds left when I entered my max. Maybe there is something to the
time difference after all.
It is tail end tuesday so I better go find some tail.
Best John
@beardog49 posted:Good Morning
Fatman, I was thinking about the auction that you won. You said you bid with 9 secs left only to be beat by my max bid.
That is interesting because there were only 6 seconds left when I entered my max. Maybe there is something to the
time difference after all.
It is tail end tuesday so I better go find some tail.
Best John
Morning John ( late evening here)
The 9 seconds on my side is my cue to hit enter on the bid , as I am in a rural area , relying on an old fashioned ADSL set up ... for local auctions that gives me a wee margin of buffer in case the ether glitches on me 
so my 9 second bid probably hit the auction platform about 0.000 poofteenths of a second before yours ... and hence .. you got top bid ... but my cat like reflexes ( lol ) enabled me to get in an uber quick panic bid with gawd knows how many poofteenths of a second before the auction end ... so you won , and then right on hammer fall my top up bid snuck in thru the ether on the last electron bus available !
I was for sure thinking "no way" it would get thru ... It has not worked before for me in the past , but it sneaked in by a sparrows fart
It was a Battle Royale and you were a formidable foe!
Happy Tail hunting !
I guess I will just torture you with pics of my other small streamliners. 
Here is a can of worms I should not have opened. I acquired these Hornby bugatti railcars a couple of years ago. From what
I learned then, it appears the two car sncf set is postwar, while the blue plm car is part of a prewar set. I had the windup
motor pictured laying around, I think it is from a cheap hornby hachette loco, so I thought I would see if it could be
adapted to the prewar frame. If fit perfectly, however the winding shaft did not line up with the holes in the prewar body.
Nor was there a place for the brake lever. If you notice on the postwar set the first three windows on the side are cut out
which accomodates the brake lever, not so on the prewar. I could not find any pics of a three car prewar set online.
Part two of the can of worms is while searching online, I came across another postwar set and a prewar single car,
both from the same seller. I made reasonable offers on both and they were accepted. I asked the seller to combine shipping
which he would not do. My total for the transaction was 154.22 euros which at the exchange rate at the time of the
sale was $172.18usd. Paypal charged me 189.04 for the 154.22eur transaction or $16.86 for a fee. I think this is
a bit excessive. I am probably going to start a return on the items immediately. Also am going to rethink using Paypal for
my ebay transactions.
In the meantime, I am looking for electric motors that fit these, also dummy trucks, and a center car for a red sncf
prewar three car set.
Please save your "you should have done this or that" comments for another time.
John
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I dont have any French Bugatti/Streamliners ( yet ...lol) so hopefully @FRENCHTRAINS Daniel will pop in ... its probably relevant here that French Hornby was a company in its own right so its pure guesstimation as to what if any UK hornby components are compatible although by eye the motors look the same format in such things I do have like the MO ... and certainly Hachette although of the right size and configuration has literally nothing to do with actual Hornby except in name ..
@Jim O'C Has some examples too If memory is correct?
Your PLM Railcar seems to be the lead car from this set
https://auctions.specialauctio...e%3D19%26view%3Dgrid
As to modern electrification you could try this chap here ...
Thanks for the info Fatman. Sorry, here is a pic of the complete PLM train. It is hard to identify a lead car because the
two end cars appear identical. I believe the center unit on the 3 car trains was the powered unit. But having said that, I believe
any of the cars could have been powered as the frames are virtually identical. I am also enclosing a pic you might appreciate.
A "WELLS OF LONDON" SILVER STREAK. I actually got this in a lot I bought for another reason. When I did a bit of research
it seems it may be part of a british Mickey Mouse set.
Best, John
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Hi John I can match your Silver Streak ( three times lol ) and up the ante with both Red and Blue Golden Eagle versions . as well as the Brimtoy( Wells) Silverlink set
In good condition ...
Annnnd not so good
And full rake for the red set ...
But sadly I have bad news for you regarding the Mickey Mouse status of your loco ... although basically the same mechanics and body shell shape the Mickey Set had a slightly different lithography with red and black accents , Dual cab window cut-outs , real wire boiler handrail ( litho on non-Mickey sets) and red siderods ..
( Not mine .. borrowed from web)
My internet is like a yoyo. It appears I sent a lengthy response that went nowhere. I have seen the red and blue, but did
not want to pay the price. I did notice that a lot of the Mickey set bears a more than passing resemblence to the lionel one.
I think I have only seen black and white photos of the mickey set which is why I may have thought the silver link was part of it.
It does seem I need to up my game now, tho. I attempted to start a tinplate streamliner thread on the forum, but no takers.
John
I must have missed the thread .. I would have been there in a flash lol
Ahhh youve hidden it in the Photo section !
https://ogrforum.com/.../a-streamliner-a-day
( but just cos I know you will like it ... heres a few Streamliners from my collection )
Chad Valley Merlin ( battery operated D cells in boiler)
Jep france
KD ( Dressler)
Mettoy ( HO )
Louis Roussi ( french)
Ottmar Beckh
And Maurlyn .. AUSTRALIAN!
@Fatman posted:I dont have any French Bugatti/Streamliners ( yet ...lol) so hopefully @FRENCHTRAINS Daniel will pop in ... its probably relevant here that French Hornby was a company in its own right so its pure guesstimation as to what if any UK hornby components are compatible although by eye the motors look the same format in such things I do have like the MO ... and certainly Hachette although of the right size and configuration has literally nothing to do with actual Hornby except in name ..
@Jim O'C Has some examples too If memory is correct?
Your PLM Railcar seems to be the lead car from this set
https://auctions.specialauctio...e%3D19%26view%3Dgrid
As to modern electrification you could try this chap here ...
I have the Hachette version of the Hornby AD2E PLM Railcar set which came 1 car a month with the magazine (issues 47, 48, 49 and 55). https://www.binnsroad.co.uk/ra.../hachette/index.html
Although in great shape appearance-wise, the working clockwork mechanism is loose inside the flimsy sheetmetal loco shell and was received that way.
5-car example (not mine)
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I have the plm loco and tender, but no cars. Thanks for the info
John
Hello tinplate fans...here I am posting another crossing signal, although this one is potentially a lot older than the Lionel one I posted on 7/24...this one has all the "bells and whistles" (somewhat literally). It is an American Flyer #2116 with a light and a ringing bell all connected to track power. This is complete including the bulb for the red light, but I don't know if I have the courage to put power to it...(LOL)!
OK here is my "mystery"...all my references for prewar AF do not cover accessories. The internet yielded lots of pictures of the #2116 variations but they were all in selling articles and no one listed any history of the item beyond stating it was pre-war. I know there are those on this thread that are far more familiar with pre-war flyer than I...does anyone know the years that this signal was available?? If so I would really appreciate you sending me a response via this thread. Thank you.
Here she is...sign, light, bell, and fancy "hat" still all intact. The square little black / gold sign on the base is a metallic add on piece that says simply..."American Flyer Lines" in gold letters on a black background. The construction is rather neat and is designed to allow "variations" The bell and the light for example are held onto the main support via a nut and bolt clamping arrangement that can easily be added or removed from the main support. The power wire is inside the hollow support and just runs to two simple pressure activated contactors on the side of the bell mechanism housing. From my internet research, I could see that AF offered this item with and without these add on's.
well anyway, that's my mystery for today
Regards, Don
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Don,
The Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Wide Gauge, includes the prewar accessories at the rear of the guide.
The 2116 was cataloged between 1928 and 1939. The 4116 (same item but coming with wide gauge track connection) was cataloged between 1928 and 1936. From 1922-1927 the 2016 was cataloged, which was roughly the same, but there was no riser between the base and the post.
Your 2116 would fall in the dates of 1928-1935, because in 1936 the item's design changes to having a rectangular base.
Here is a 2016 c. 1922-1927
Here is a 4116 with its original box
There is also a version with a green post
There are different bell mechanism designs
Here is a photo of the 1935-1939 version
NWL
@Nation Wide Lines posted:.There are different bell mechanism designs
NWL
Sweet! I've got one also & I refuse to give it up! Mine is like the one on the right end with the bell on top. I absolutely plan to rewire it & install it on my layout.
Despite the vow to lay off, picked this up recently:
Marklin 2nd/3rd-class coach - vintage? No idea.
PD
Two items of interest
1. Just received my copy of Graebe's Hornby O Gauge Trains in France. It is a masterpiece-- or as the French say a chef d'oeuvre if my memories of high school French are correct. True, it is not cheap, but it is worth every centime.
2. As I posted elsewhere on the Forum my Vectis acquisitions have arrived and here they are.
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Hi Lew, excellent memories, it is a real chef d'oeuvre, the best reference to French Hornby, Chris Graebe is the best Hornby historian and his books are full of interesting facts.
I am impressed by the quality of the two pieces you present, not every day you see a Hornby for the South African Railways, export models are especially rare pieces. The Mitropa is also excellent, they where produced during a short time and did not have a great success so also rare to find today. Congratulations for those two wonderful pieces, a perfect addition to a great collection.
All my best wishes, Daniel
