TMCC/LEGACY Problems

Don that is true tmcc is simpler but for the most part it works well.

Their are no inherent problems with Legacy that are not the same with TMCC, which problems do you see?

Other than the charging issue that Legacy was plagued with, I know of no other recurring issues with Legacy.  Since TMCC had no charger, that wasn't an issue with the CAB-1.

There are some additional issues beyond the charging issue and I think that is why Lionel continues to service the Legacy Systems even beyond the one year period.

Amazing, you know what Lionel is thinking!  Can you clue us in on what's coming in new products?

Maybe you could be specific as to the additional issues with Legacy.

Other than the issue I posted I have not really had any the newest 990 set has operated flawlessly, my issues were with a first release set when it came out.

the reason that Mike Reagan has decided to service the Legacy system after the one year warranty is he has said you can not run your trains without a system to run them.

there has been no issues with my two units.  club members have had no issues with theirs and they have had theirs since they got it with the bigboy.

I can only think of the range issues with the earlier versions of 1.3...

I always thought that TMCC was better, because of signal problems. I don't recall having any 'ground plane' problems before Legacy. To me it kind of proves that the signal strength is better. You can operate Cab-1 from your kitchen, while your trains are in your basement. I know, who would want to do that(?..hmmm). I still have a Cab-1 remote which works well with Legacy - without the powerbridge!! With Legacy you have a visual look of what you are controlling. I'm not giving up on Legacy, it will be improved on.

The problems i am referring to I have seen here.  Including some problems with incorrect information on the display, having to reset locos to get them to run, poor signal, interference with florescent lights, having to add "ground plane" wires to get signal etc.

   I'm going mostly by the number of requests for help on Legacy problems. Maybe most of these are operator difficulty.   I have TMCC and so far only operator problems. The only thing I do not like about TMCC is that the CAB1 has no feedback, no lights, nothing to tell you you have sent a valid command. ( yes the red light on the zw-c flashes but no display of any sort)   Don

Never claimed anything.

The other issues have been discussed numerous times on this forum. Remotes that don't start, broken glass, loss of signal just to name a few. There is one other issue that has not been discussed but I choose not to post it since it was revealed to me in a private e-mail. I decided to keep the information to myself. You and others can take it anyway you want.

Just an FYI. Prior to any of these various groups being formed, meetings held and  question and answering sessions I was privileged to be part of a small group of hobbiest that were the first to be introduced to the Legacy system. This was before Regan, Jon Z or anyone else that Lionel currently has on board.

An easy way to find out what you are presently controlling with TMCC (Cab-1) is to just hit the 'whistle' button and you will know what engine is in the command.

Clearly the best way is with a grain of salt.   So called "secret" BS is usually just that.

For me this was just a curiosity issue. I'm happy with the TMCC but I do realize that others may prefer Legacy or some other system. Don

you said it better then what I was thinking.

OK, no secret BS. I'm sorry that you took it that way. Perhaps it might be better described as a cause and effect rather than an issue. I asked what the reason for the failure of my Legacy remote was and they answered the question. I've told a few people in person but don't want to post on a public forum since there is no privacy.

So, take it or shove it I don't give a ****.

I must agree, I had several issues with my Legacy system but don't see the need to post everything. If I see a posting on a similar problem to what happened to mine I would consider a post. One issue was the charging problem, my system went to Lionel and was repaired and returned to me in about four weeks. This system, along with TMCC, is responsible for me having a greatly renewed interest in the model railroading hobby. I use the Legacy/TMCC exclusively with S gauge and have to have some repairs done on engines also but all in all I've been quite satisfied with it. I really like the fact that I can take my AC Gilbert post war engines and run them with my wireless remote without modification to the engines. One thing that I know, and this is from my working history, having manufacturing done half way across the world you lose some of the quality control.

I do believe Lionel is doing their best to rectify the problems that we experience with the system.

Ray

Ray, I don't feel the need to post everything either.  OTOH, I also don't feel the need to post a statement to the effect that "there's another issue, but I'm not going to tell you about it".  That's pretty childish IMO.

The only issue that I have had with TMCC is with certain locomotives not liking 50Hz power frequency.

 The first Legacy scale Big Boys needed a fix to the smoke unit to work correctly on 50hz.

I would really like Mike R. or Jon Z. to explain what causes the 50Hz issues with some of those TMCC engines. Just so I know what to say when people ask me at train shows!

  I know the TMCC crane has had a new 50Hz compatible board made available.

 I understand Albracht in Germany has replaced the guts of some of the problem TMCC locos with Legacy boards.

I just run my layout on 60Hz as I have the inverter set up for this anyway. But it would be handy to be able to advise newbies on this side of the pond with the correct

information.

Regards

Nick

My Legacy was flawless until the backlight went out a year after purchase ... Lionel sent one back (another controller not the original one) and the entire middle column didn't work ... so it was back to Lionel ... they sent me another one (still had a sticker from some club on it!) and when I tried addressing the engines the last number would always default to the number 4.  So it's back to Lionel and I've currently been waiting to hear back.  I wish I would have never sent it in.

Rob W

Other than the battery charging issue, my base and two remotes have worked fine.  I did get the chargers working finally, I'm hoping I don't have any other issues with these.

First release systems needed firmware upgrades.  Issues with batter chargers, yes.  I've never had issues with the cab-2 controlling older loco's as that's the only kind I have.

I get the impression that most of the issues are related to the system being more complex and users not reading the manual.  I realy, realy wish that Lionel had gone back to the origan TMCC "bible" for inspiration on writing up the new docs.  There is a fair amount of  important Legacy differences strwen throughout the new manual.  It is interspersed with new features that some people are less interested in and thet basically stop reading.

Time for Barry to write a new book?

I will say, I occasionally find new stuff about the Legacy, even after all this time.

I found that the Legacy system has a more of a learning curve than Tmcc or DCS. Like right now my remote will control all the functions of my legacy engine besides the engine does not move when turning the speed wheel. It does say "speed limit" which must be the reason but I can't fingue out how to fix it. If I pick up my Cab 1, the engine runs fine. Help !

Here's a thread on setting speed limits: https://ogrforum.com/t...imit?reply=lastReply

For me the only difference I have noticed is the greater signal sensitivity. I have found that on my layout Legacy engines are the most sensitive to signal issues with small steamers next in line, regular steamers and the least sensitive being TMCC without cruise control.