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Ok, need some advice (or what has been called an idiot check).  I apologize if I get some of the terminology wrong.

 

Lionel Lionchief plus GP7 diesel began to "jump" the switch on RH O36 switches.  It is a couple of months old.   The front truck went through fine, but the rear one wouldn't catch the inside point rail (it would just continue on straight) thereby caused a derailment.   Played around with shimming the point to make it just a wee bit higher, etc., but no luck.  Also swapped out three different RH switches and same problem on each.  Also, no problem with the other two steam logos that I have.  

 

The rear truck has rubber tires on the front wheels, and it was almost as if the thickness of the tire would just ride over the point.   So, ... removed the LH truck tire, and ... problem solved.   

 

 

My 5x10' layout is a couple of loops (w/ interior figure eight) and about 85 ft total of track.   The outer loop has a 2 percent grade.  Needless to say length of the consists remain limited given the size of the layout.

 

 

So, 

 

1.  Should I run this without the rear tire?   It has the grooved wheel.

2.  Should I also remove the one on the other side?

3.  Does tire thickness vary?  In other words, should I try to fine a thinner one to try?

4.  Any other thoughts?

 

Thanks for your help?

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I have seen everything from derailments to track shorts with missing traction tires, you need to replace both traction tires on the truck. What is your engine item number, need the item number to determine which traction tires you need unless you have a micrometer .take a micrometer and measure the wheel grove, for example "22 mm", you can then  purchase the tires from MTH  or Lionel and replace them. Then your train will work perfectly.

Alan

here is a picture of a micrometer?        

 

http://www.harborfreight.com/c...t?q=micrometer+4+%22

 

 

http://www.harborfreight.com/4...l-caliper-47256.html

 

 

Last edited by Alan Mancus

I have seen too much narrow gauging on the wheels. They are pressed too close together and the flange will pick the point.

 

The micrometer will tell the story.

 

Sandjam's fix is worth trying, but I spread the wheels to the same width as a car or tender with a tighter flange to rail.

 

Some slack is needed to accommodate smaller radius curves, but some wheel sets are just too close.

 

I dealt with pilot trucks, so the driver wheels would be a royal pain. So, tighten up the points like Sandjam's video.

 

 

Last edited by Moonman

Thanks gentlemen.  The points are pretty flush with outer rail, in fact, the outer rail has a little depression that the tip fits into, so I am not sure that bending the points will be the solution.  How do I say this, it is as if the tire is too thick, rides on the rail too high, and the wheel flange just doesn't catch the point As the rubber just rides over it.  I will check the spacing (Harbor Freight, here I come) but not sure what the next step would be.

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