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I have been through the Lionel and MTH site looking at locos, and I think I understand this correctly and am asking here if I have it right.

The Lionel Traditional models and the MTH Railking models are semi scale and usually smaller than the O scale models?  But some models might be the correct 1:48 scale or are they all really smaller and less detailed?

Are there other manufacturers that do the same to keep their product 'looking right' with the Lionel Traditional stuff?

And the Lionel O scale and MTH Premier lines are actually O scale?

Is there a list anywhere that I could reference for this info?  The manufacturer sites are rather vague about this.

 

EDIT: adding info as it I get/find it.

MTH Railking Traditional - traditionally sized models that match the size of the initial models released in 1995.  Some of these can run on O-27 curves, but not all.

MTH Railking Rugged Rails - traditionally sized models that match the size of the initial models released in 1995.  All of these can run on O-27 curves.

MTH Railking Imperial - O31 minimum curves, traditional proportions but more detailed models than the regular Traditional models

MTH Railking Scale - scale proportions and more detailed models than the regular Traditional models, O31 minimum curves.

MTH O scale Premier - scale proportions, detailed models, 'as detailed as we can reasonably make them', 'finest combination of detail, realism, and performance'.

Lionel Traditional - approximate scale proportions, often reduced in length to fit on tighter curves, ready to run sets are Traditional, includes LionChief.

O scale (or Standard O) - larger than Traditional units, 'more' true to 1:48 scale, usually higher end with more detailed parts, usually have LEGACY and RailSounds.

Thx all!

Last edited by hlfritz
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I forget how confusing that a newcomer can find all this.

"RailKing Scale" is a way that MTH has re-used some of its 1:48 loco tooling (almost all diesels) that no longer has the level of detail that we (supposedly) demand now. Probably the biggest new/catalogue "bargains" out there. Running on 031 curves is probably typically true, but I don't think that is a determining factor. But, their Railking USRA 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 steamers are 1:48 - but were not called "RailKing Scale", at least originally. To make it worse, there is both an MTH RK and a Premier USRA 0-6-0. The size is good for both, but the Premier one looks better, has more detailing and better-looking tooling. Costs more. They are electronically essentially identical.

Lionel: if it costs a bunch and is obviously a proper-looking model it's 1:48. Watch out for Lionmaster - it is sort of a "RailKing Imperial" idea. Nice items; not 1:48. If it says "Standard O", it's 1:48.

In the Olden Days most - not all - Lionel items were under-1:48 in size...but their F3's, GP7/9, FM Trainmaster, NW-2, 700E scale Hudson and it's offspring, PRR B6 0-6-0, some rolling stock - were all at least nominally or precisely (the Hudson and the 0-6-0) O-scale.

However, what helps more than anything is familiarity with model railroading and a feel for scale and proper detailing and proportion in general - and familiarity with real railroading - current, past or both. Like a lot of old guys who have been looking at trains - real and model - a long time, it gets to be a bit of an instinct. "...it does (or doesn't) look right...". 

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I run both just not at the same time. A 773 which is considered in size to be 1:48 O scale and a 685 which is traditional size post war O-O27 while both are Hudson's they appear mighty strange together. The 773 pulls a set of scale size consist of Madison cars by K-Line the Pacemaker set, these are 18 inches long. The 685 pulls the 12 inch set of Lionel streamline cars. To cross the locomotives and cars looks pretty weird. This applies to the other mixes of 1:48 and traditional O-O27 as well. 

Freight cars excepted as there is a lot of size variation in the real world so the dimensional disparity isn't so apparent.

Bogie

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