Weaver #2000 G1729LP Canadian Pacific (CP) Royal Empress Hudson

Weaver Catalog Spring 2008  #G1729, 4-6-4 Canadian Pacific 'Empress'

$995.00 2 rail w/o sound   $1,095.00 3 rail w railsound

No number on cab.  Engine # 2816 on front and sides

Brass      All the Weaver Brass engines I have are 'Limited Editions with Certificate'.

The partnership between Mikes Train House and Weaver ended in 1996 with the 'Tennessean' 4-6-2 being the last brass engine produced.  After that Weaver found another supplier for their brass engines.  Anyone know who it was?

Thanks Bill.  That answer's most of my questions.  Now, If only I can find out why my engine has 2800 on the cab instead of 2916?  Oh, and one more thing.  Would it be possible for any of you who may have the 2008 Spring Catalog to make a JPEG copy of the cover and attach it to a reply?  I tried to find one to purchase on eBay but no luck.  So, for my inventory program, I would at least like to reference that catalog with a pic.

Thanks much!

Dave

@dastrock posted:

Thanks Bill.  That answer's most of my questions.  Now, If only I can find out why my engine has 2800 on the cab instead of 2916?  Oh, and one more thing.  Would it be possible for any of you who may have the 2008 Spring Catalog to make a JPEG copy of the cover and attach it to a reply?  I tried to find one to purchase on eBay but no luck.  So, for my inventory program, I would at least like to reference that catalog with a pic.

Thanks much!

Dave

The reason I do not use an inventory program is that it requires a lot of work that never stops.  Every time you buy something it is more work.   

Yes, it is a lot of work initially.  But, I use an inventory program for insurance purposes and as a guide for those who may inherit my collection when I pass on.  But adding or subtracting an item is easy.

South Korea, Samhongsa, some of the last detailed brass models for Weaver. 2816 would be a model of the Canadian Pacific steam locomotive, Steamtown, Scranton, PA.  There is also a parts locomotive, Steamtown.  ???? I don't remember the number.   These detailed locomotive models could be double headed. ???? The second number may have been for those, few, who purchased two, to double head.  ???? 

Here is the Weaver Spring 2008 Catalog.  That is one beautiful engine.

I retrieved that and many other Weaver catalogs from the internet archive (archive.org).

Here is a link to a thread where a few of us OGR Forum members compiled links to old catalogs of the major train manufacturers. Most of the links are still working, the exception being Lionel.  Lionel revamped their web site a couple years ago and broke all the catalog links.

At the bottom of my post in that thread is a spreadsheet titled WeaverGoldEdition.xls.  The products are listed in order by product number.  Yours is about halfway down the page, but it lists 2816 as the engine number.

The Fall 2007 Weaver Catalog lists the Royal Empress Hudson with a range of product numbers 1729-1731,  but no additional detail.  Perhaps yours is one of the other 2 products.

Bob

Double WOW!  Thank you Bob.  I have already downloaded the catalog and hope to find more.  LCCA provides all the Lionel Catalogs and I have found all the MTH Catalogs with a simple Google Search.  I also have found the catalogs for MTH Lionel Corp. Tinplate.  Hopefully, I will be able to find the K-Line catalogs.  Oh, and the Bachmann versions of Williams are also available from Bachmann.

Now, I have attached a photo of my Weaver Engine so you can see the number on the boiler.  It is in a display case with a mirror back so the photo leaves a bit to be desired.

As an aside, back in 2017, I rode behind the 611 and made a video of the inside of the train....all of it.  Here's the YouTube link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkXPj70wBk

I hope you all enjoy it.

Thanks, again, to all of you for you responses.

Dave

Hi Bob:

First, thanks for the thumbs up.

Second, I just checked out the really fine link to all the catalogs you posted the link for.  However, as for the K-Line catalogs, the format is a little different.  I would love to find .pdf files of the catalogs presented the way all the others are presented as one file.  Any ideas?

Again, your help has been enormous and I really appreciate it.

Dave

The catalog data varies considerably from manufacturer to manufacturer.  Some are pdfs, others are interactive web pages (flip books), flash pages which are no longer supported by browsers (Lionel 2011-2013) or simple databases (eg. LegacyKline.com and Atlas).  

Legacy K-line was created by a train hobbyist Mark Johnson.  He downloaded 8,000 pages from K-line's web site before they took it down and created a web interface to access them.  He relies on donations to offset the cost of running the site.  I believe K-line catalogs were hyperlinked web pages rather than actual catalogs.  

While not impossible, it would be very time consuming to reconstruct the contents of each catalog, and it wouldn't really look like a catalog.  You can, however, find an item of interest by browsing or searching and then printing the item page to a pdf.  On a windows PC, press Control-P, change the destination to Microsoft Print to PDF.  On a Mac, select File, Export to PDF.  In either case, you can name the file and designate the location.  Below is a PDF I created for K-line Santa Fe F3 from LegacyKline.com.

I had reported that Lionel broke many of the catalog links I had compiled, but it appears that they have been restored.  The only ones that do not work are the flash pages (2011-2013).

Bob

Hi Bob:

I have actually considered doing just that....recreating the catalog from the site.  Problem is, the Catalog covers and page information appears to be missing.  It might be easier for someone like me to simply scan to JEPG each page of a catalog and create a .pdf file from that.

I do a lot of restorations in music (to digital), Old Children's Records (OTKR) and to some extent Old Time Radio (OTR).  In the case of the kiddie records, I have restored all the written content including album covers and page turning books as well as the audio.  I have done close to 1,000 of these to date.

It all started when back in 2005, a friend of mine and I digitized a famous syndicated radio program entitled "The Evolution of Rock" or the "EOR".  This show covers the years "Pre-1957" and then 1957-1980.  This process took us a year to finish all 76 hours of the show.  But, it surely did teach me a lot.  So, by the time I started doing the kiddie records, I had it down pretty pat.

Anyway, it would be time consuming; but not impossible to do the catalogs providing compete catalog copies are available.  I have the K-Line 2002 Second Edition and the 2003 First Edition catalogs.  Maybe I will give it a try soon.  I am ADHD and Dyslexic and once I get on a project I tend to stick with it.  It is the getting started part that is hard for me; especially now that I will be 80 years old this year.

Here's my claim to fame such as it is:  www.dastrock.com and www.reelradio.com/wxil

Anyway, thank you for the updated information. Now, I will stop looking for .pdf files of K-Line catalogs.  I have written to LCCA to see if they can muster up the K-Line by Lionel Catalogs.  I think I have all the catalog covers and thought I had the catalogs; but, if I did, misplaced them.

Dave

Yes, scanning paper catalogs would be the easiest option.  The K-line catalogs don't seem to be in demand.  I have seen them as giveaways at train shows.  I guess a lot of catalog collectors end up purging.

Bob

Dave

I poked around on the internet archive and found a lot of incomplete pages from K-linetrains.com.  But this one does show that the 1999 catalog was on the web site.  I believe it was only hyperlinked web pages rather than an actual catalog, since it lists categories along the left column.  It probably looked similar to how Mark displays his data on LegacyKline.com.  This was probably repeated in subsequent catalog years, but the more recent links were incomplete or dead.

I enjoyed your N&W 611 video.  I rode one of the Strasburg trains it pulled on one of its visits to Strasburg.  Riding the Milwaukee Road Superdome is on my bucket list.

Bob

Hey Bob:

Strasburg is fun.  Lancaster is fun.  It's been a while since I've been there; but, there was a great little Deli called Cravings off Rt. 30.  Super good Hoagies.  I used to have a lot of family in Lancaster.  I grew up in Philly and moved to West Virginia in January, 1958.  When my wife was the local Airport Manager, she used to attend annual FAA Conferences at Hershey. I would go with her and run into Lancaster for Hoagies and sometimes head on down to Philly to visit.  That city is not the city I grew up in.

As an aside, last night I decided to take my K-Line 2002 Second Edition catalog and copy it do JEPG and then to pdf.  So far, I have about 4 hours in the project.  It is a huge catalog..  But, it will not be perfect as the only way to assure that would be to cut it up.  Instead, I am folding it and turning it.  I can clean that up a little; but as I say, not perfectly.  I will attach a copy once done if the file will be accepted.

Dave

Hi Bob and anyone else who may be interested.  I just finished crating a .pdf of the K-Line 2002 Catalog, Second Edition.  It was surely a labor of love.  However, if I am to ever do anything like this again, I will only do it if I have an extra catalog that I can cut up for the process.  Not wanting to destroy my catalog, I bent the pages to scan it.  Correcting the inevitable errors along with removing the bleed through from the opposite pages is what took so much time.  Anyway, it was a learning process.  I had a head start in know-how from processing nearly 1,000 children's records with the album/cover art work that goes with it.

I like many of the K-Line Trains and happen to own two from this very catalog...the Scale Hudson and the Milwaukee Rd. Hiawatha ABA diesels.  Works of art in and of themselves.

The catalog is just under 86mb and is darn near perfect with a few exceptions.  Let me know what you think.  I just know there will be some problems with the thing; but, I did the best I could.  I would gladly do other K-Line catalogs if someone were to give me two of each to be done.  One to keep and one to cut up for copying.

Finally, tomorrow I will be heading to Florida to attend a "Celebration" of a loved-one who recently passed away.  There were three deaths....two family...an one close friend....this Christmas Season.  It's been tough.  God willing, I should be home late this Saturday night.  I do not enjoy flying.  I much prefer taking trains; which I have done.  But is it is a two day trip by train each way assuming Amtrak (CSX) makes the connection in Washington, D.C. on time which they almost never do. Plus, my dear wife, who used to manage our local airport, much prefers flying to train travel.

Dave

All,

The picture the OP provided is a CP Royal Hudson, not the Empress Hudson.  I don’t remember all the fine details, but Weaver first produced the Royal Hudson (2860 and ?) in two schemes (gray and silver boilers, one labeled British Columbia).

The Empress Hudson was produced by Weaver much later and had 2816 as a road number and possibly another (?)

The Royal and Empress Hudsons are two different locomotives, both of which Weaver produced at different points.

I’ll try to get some more details later.

Thanks.

Price

OK I'm back with more information if anybody's still listening...

Weaver produced the Royal Hudson (H1E-BCR) like this:

1074 cab number 2858 in silver/maroon/blk

1075 cab number 2860 in gray/maroon/blk

BOTH Royal Hudsons manufactured in 1994

Empress Hudson

1729 cab number 2816 in gray/maroon/blk

manufactured in 2007

Hope this clarifies and answers OP's original question

Cheers,

Price

I will add these pictures.  The pair from the 1994 catalog.  The 'Empress' picture from the 2008 catalog plus the other CP units offered that  year.

Here are some photos I took of my Weaver CP Hudson #2816 with and on the real train many years back when it was running locally.

https://ogrforum.com/...t-trips-10-years-ago

Note their are different engine designs of models of the Hudson some had the Royal designation some did not.

Here is a link to the details on the preserved 2860. https://www.wcra.org/exhibits/

The #2816 Empress is owned and operated by Canadian Pacific and this year will be touring the US on the new CPKS railway network from Canada to Mexico. You can watch for details of the tour on the website for locations to see it in operation and perhaps take a model along to photograph beside the real engine.

MTH also made models of the Royal Hudson #2850 the original Royal Blue train that ran with the Royal train.

MTH also made other models #2851 CP colors and the Royal Hudson version 2860 and others you can search Royal Hudson on the MTH website for more details.

Here are some photos of my Weaver Royal Hudson #2860 with the full size engine.

I just returned from a trip to Florida where we celebrated the passing of my wife's sister.  So, this is the first chance I have had to reply to the posts concerning my Weaver Hudson.  Thank you all!  My questions are completely answered.  Great work.

On another front, I would be interested it any of you picked up my digitized K-Line 2002 Second Edition catalog?

Dave

First, my apologies to all.  I somehow missed the fact that the photo of my engine had 2860 clearly on it.  Totally my bad.  Can't explain how I screwed that up.  Chalk it up to old age, I guess.  Anyway, I have another question.  Does anyone know what, if any, catalog this engine appeared in?  And, what was the original price if you know?

Thank you all for your responses and again sorry for my mistake.

Dave

I just found and purchased a 1994 Weaver Spring Catalog on eBay that has the CP Royal Hudson 2860 in it.  When I get the catalog, I will digitize it to .pdf and make it available on this thread if I can.

Dave