Weekend tinplate photos/videos 2/3/17!!

.started taking apart my passenger cars I got from Dennis Holler. one had a rattle to it, and the only thing left on it was the underframe. the tabs didn't look like they had been disturbed. first the old bulb popped out, then the blob of lead.

Worked on an easy refurb from the project pile this week, this Flyer 3046 retrieved at York a couple of years ago:

First a good scrubbing, then a new brake-wheel from one of the York parts vendors. Found a load for it on eBay:

Fashioned a couple of retaining-clips from large pins I had in the parts bin:

Next up...a corrosion-damaged Lionel 601 Observation.

PD

Most trains the French manufacturer Le Rapide or LR made were for 0 gauge but a bit small and looking like S. This 2 small tinplate locomotives for 0 gauge were both even smaller but although looking similar still different in size and thus needing different lithographed design. The smallest one is clockwork, the larger 3-rail electric.

The elctric version can be seen running here:

Regards

Fred

Steamer posted:

.started taking apart my passenger cars I got from Dennis Holler. one had a rattle to it, and the only thing left on it was the underframe. the tabs didn't look like they had been disturbed. first the old bulb popped out, then the blob of lead.

Nice work Dave, you don't mess around.  I still owe you a follow up on another pile of cars and the AF steamer...  I haven't forgot, I'm just slow lol

Nice trains Fred, I'm waiting for my first JEP pieces to arrive from France.  Not sure how long it will take but we'll see.

Since I sent some projects Dave's way, I must have felt the need to replace them with something.... and ended up picking up this AF O two tone green streamline car.   I had an observation body shell in primer.. darn it, now I need a roof, and some vestibule halves.  I seem to keep picking up projects.  Some day I need to buy some trains that don't need work so I can see what that feels like!  It never ends lol

slow week for me, but I did pickup a Chad Valley 5-car Royal Scot set with an LMS 3402 loco and watchman's shed.

and this Fandor 3677 NYC and HR caboose

and both of James Pekarek (Windup Guy)'s books, Marx Mechanical CV locos 1935-'48 and Old Windup Trains.

As some of you show us some very nice restorations, i have to present one i have done.

A friend gaved me some time ago a poor little battered IVES 3235R locomotive which has seen better days. The wheels had been changed for cast brass ones and the motor was not running. Some brass parts were also missing on the roof.

I prefer original models but this one in such a poor condition was in need of some TLC. So it became this after some difficulties to make it run again. The IVES auto reverse unit is not easy to adjust ..... but finally came in.

As this engine is a total restoration i didn't want to make it strictly original as all the trim is repro parts and i always wanted an orange model so i choosed that color for the body, and here is the final result. Ives never done this model in that color.

It has been a nice time to make this engine return to life; now it spends some time running on temporary layouts.

Have a great weekend tinplate and lets coming your wonderfull restorations. 

Daniel

That's a great  restoration Daniel! 

I like the tinplate coffee cup in this photo.

NJCJOE posted:

I like the tinplate coffee cup in this photo.

 

I know right!     I didn't see that until I posted it.

no sweat Dennis, I said whenever you got to it. I've got more than enough to keep me busy, plus 12 hour work shifts slow things down. here's a teaser.....

  How's that song go..."I've got that dumped on feeling...?"

Bing

Fandor

Hornby

KBN

Lionel

Marx

New Marx

Robert S. Butler posted:

  How's that song go..."I've got that dumped on feeling...?"

New Marx

 

 

Robert

I assume this one is a custom or a prototype????>

Steve

It's a prototype Steve.  It was in the back in the photo that was used for the TCA cover awhile back.

darn it ,i'm feeling down in the dumps  

Steamer posted:

no sweat Dennis, I said whenever you got to it. I've got more than enough to keep me busy, plus 12 hour work shifts slow things down. here's a teaser.....

You guys always make it look so easy

Joe Gozzo

pd posted:

Worked on an easy refurb from the project pile this week, this Flyer 3046 retrieved at York a couple of years ago:

First a good scrubbing, then a new brake-wheel from one of the York parts vendors. Found a load for it on eBay:

 

PD

PD:

That's nice work.  So simple and such a pleasing result.  The load you found on eBay seals the deal.

Steven J. Serenska

Thanks Steve, first dent in the project pile.

Steamer's disassembly shots have me inspired to tackle this next:

Lionel 601 with some corrosion issues...ugh. New window material and a rewire as well.

PD

pd posted:

Thanks Steve, first dent in the project pile.

Steamer's disassembly shots have me inspired to tackle this next:

Lionel 601 with some corrosion issues...ugh. New window material and a rewire as well.

PD

PD, that's a great one to restore, it would probably look pretty good with just the window resprayed and the nickel stuff polished as well.

That's the plan Dennis...remove/refurb the insert, re-decal and reinstall. The window-material is clouded...shouldn't that be clear, or was it originally frosted?

PD

I think they were clear.  They are usually yellowed or cloudy like you say after all these years. It will be great once you are done.  I have done just the opposite a few times, reused the inserts and repainted the bodys. 

Ok, I just purchased a new to me passenger car.  Its a LR Louis Roussy 4021 Restaurant car with the box.  I don't usually buy nice cars, but with Daniel and Fred's knowledge and encouragement, I discovered not only JEP but these really neat LR trains as well.  Any way, here are the auction photos, I will post more once the car reaches me on this side of the pond.  Of course this means I now need some more of these cars and an engine

Dennis Holler posted:

Ok, I just purchased a new to me passenger car.  Its a LR Louis Roussy 4021 Restaurant car with the box.  I don't usually buy nice cars, but with Daniel and Fred's knowledge and encouragement, I discovered not only JEP but these really neat LR trains as well.  Any way, here are the auction photos, I will post more once the car reaches me on this side of the pond.  Of course this means I now need some more of these cars and an engine

 

Dennis,

Your restaurant car looks very good; often Le Rapide trains have suffered from a hard life and have lots of paint loss. Here is a picture with a matching locomotive and matching cars in my garden:

My restaurant car has a roof repaint in black by a previous owner.

And here are the two different matching locomotives running:

Regards

Fred

Note: I hope your car with box have a better journey over the pond than the cars I received just this week (going over the pond in the opposite direction):

Dennis, very nice car, and not comon in such a very good condition. Fred has geaven a very good choice for the engine, it looks very nice with those cars. Maybe you can also think to an electric engine, a typicaly french BB.

Sorry for the quality of pictures but i don't have better ones for the moment, the cars maybe founded in a variety of colors, blue, blue and cream, silver and more for pre war models. Just be carefull with one thing the zamack of many LR models are prone to disintegrate.... The size of those trains is near 027 lionel models.

Good luck with your search,     Daniel

Thanks Fred!  Ouch on those cars you just received!   I do hope mine fare better!  I was also able to make an offer on the companion salon Pullman that was accepted, but that second car is not in as good shape as this one.  The Pullman will need at least a re-sprayed top.  Your trains look great as always on your outdoor track! 

Also maybe a question from me, about when did they switch from the sheet metal bogies to the cast zamac versions?  If I have interpreted correctly, it seems the cast zamac bogies were from the late 1940's and into the 1950's while the sheet metal versions came earlier in the 1930's and 1940's.  Is that correct?  It also seems that mush like some US trains of the time period that the zamac bogies can crumble.  Is that pretty common?

Thank you Daniel, you must have posted at the same time I just did.  I will be careful on those bogies for sure.  As usual, your trains look very nice indeed.  I do like that green electric, I may have to keep my eyes open for one of those.  I am already seeing this is a slippery slope, as first I buy a few beat up cars and all of a sudden I am looking for all these great looking passenger cars.  I have to remind myself to take is slow and try to be picky and hold out for nice condition trains. 

I should maybe ask, do those cars have a minimum track radius?  I have Lionel 042 curves on part of my layout which is 42" diameter circle so just over a meter.  I do have some 072 curves as well, which would be just under a meter radius, I guess I am curious what the normal curve sizes for these trains are?

Dennis it's a pleasure to see someone with an interest in LR trains. One advantage of the electric BB engine is that it is not too expensive and can be restored relatively easily, in case of necessity i have spare parts for it so if you need some you can contact me. Fred's steam engine is also very nice by zamack problems are often here with it and paint tends to flack also. I have one but totally restored, i have to take pictures of it for a next weekend photo fun.

You are right about the cast zamack bogies, they are post war. With the pre war sheet metal cars the "only" problem is paint flacking....

042 curves will be fine with LR, but it will be a minimum; the original diameter was 054 but they will run on your tracks.

Daniel

Dennis Holler posted:

 

Also maybe a question from me, about when did they switch from the sheet metal bogies to the cast zamac versions?  If I have interpreted correctly, it seems the cast zamac bogies were from the late 1940's and into the 1950's while the sheet metal versions came earlier in the 1930's and 1940's.  Is that correct?  It also seems that mush like some US trains of the time period that the zamac bogies can crumble.  Is that pretty common?

Until now there is no history book on LR as there is for JEP, French Hornby and CR. As far as I know the cast bogies are postwar and the sheet metal prewar. The cast bogies (and other cast parts) can indeed be distorted but not that bad as some others (like e.g. Paya); I have not seen crumbled parts, but anyway I do not see very much LR here in the Netherlands; I think JEP was more active in exporting to other European countries. Daniel might have more experience in this matter (and while I was slowly typing he already answered).

Regards

Fred

Note: The cars in the damaged boxes were miraculously not damaged at all. But they are not tinplate so should not be mentioned here further

 sorry for the double post guys do you know what this gate number is I've never seen it before 

Just saw the name plate, duh,on it it's a number 77.

I think I had one of those #77 gates in black a while back.  Nice little(or should I say big) gate.

while still recovering from rotator cuff surgery,gives me lots of time to run,trying to rotate (no pun) my stock around

terry hudon posted:

while still recovering from rotator cuff surgery,gives me lots of time to run,trying to rotate (no pun) my stock around

Terry,

Nice pics. Hope everything went well. Take it slow buddy, I know what you are going thru. Had Hernia surgery by a plastic surgeon as I needed additional repairs from a 2012 surgery. I had a 5 lb lifting limit. OGR Friends help make it bearable. One day at a time.

Be Well,

Joe Gozzo

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