Weekend tinplate photos/videos 7/27/18!

Very hot weather in France so nothing new, just some trains running at home. All original Lionel standard gauge on carpet central.

The State set is a Lionel Classic from twenty tears ago and the 381e a William repro with an original BAL Lionel motor.

Have a great tinplate weekend,  Daniel

Again some British clockwork tinplate. This Chad Valley 0-gauge Flying Scotsman tinplate clockwork train set is from the fifties. The coaches have destination boards for The Flying Scotsman (a famous train between London and Edinburgh along the east coast); the locomotive is not recognisable as a type that pulled the Flying Scotsman, but anyway it came with these coaches. Total length of the train is 68 cm.

Third/brake coach:

First class coach:

Regards

Fred

Granddaughter Madison holding her namesake American Flyer car from the Flying Colonel.

We are still working on the multi-gauge layout in the basement of the VMT.

Scott Smith

KBN (Karl Bub Nuremberg) began manufacturing toys in 1851 and they lasted, in some form, through the early 1960's.  Their trains were aimed at the lower end of the toy train market.  At least one observer of the toy train scene has described their output as "nondescript" which is to say - boring.  I disagree.  One of the more delightful aspects of their trains was their attempt - at one stage of the manufacturing cycle - to make trains that would straddle the differences between European train configurations and North American trains.  The end result was a series of 0-4-0 engines with front bumpers ala Europe and a detachable cowcatcher which could be installed by an owner in America.  

  The cover illustration of their set boxes remained the same for many years.

...and the set contents and form of the cars changed over time

Early set

later version

   In addition to the obvious differences in cars there are differences in the locomotive construction as well.

Not sure if I posted this little Bing crane...

 Great photos of tinplate again this week folks.  I look forward to each new posting.

My offering this week is one of American Flyer's lower priced sheet metal sets. This set never appeared in any American Flyer's catalogs, but it was offered through a number of other retailers.  

This is the sheet metal Hiawatha.  It contained the 630 Hiawatha engine with a continuous (mechanical) whistle,

the 631 tender,

3 matching coaches,

and an observation with its characteristic "beaver tail".

As with many of the sets in my collection I assembled it from a number of sources.  The engine, tender and 3 coaches were all purchased at the same time.  It took a number of years before I could finally find the observation to go with the set.

The hunt is always a large part of the fun of collecting.  The Greenberg guide identifies this as American Flyer set No. 970,  Set No. 4919-4 from JC Penney in 1937.

Its fun to finally watch the whole set rumble along the track.

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer 

Greg

As ALWAYS, ALL great trains! JIM Z: A beauty and a cutie (Madison car and Madison!) 😊

Greetings Friends of Tinplate Kibri

Incredible as it might seem one of my friends helped me get the Kibri clock with seats (1932) to function. The bulb worked after many years of storage. All that was necessary was to resolder a contact and peal some insulation.  It sits next to the Kibri Destination board which also lights.  Just purchased another Kibri station accessory which includes a seat, light, and waste basket! Stay tuned till next week for this one.

Lew Schneider

COOL Kibri!

Won these at auction along with about 10 other cars that I will probably sell. These are the for sure keepers.

The flash brings out the color and detail of the B&O.

The Nickel Plate Road car does not have door handles or moveable doors. Does the Schuweiler guide discuss this as a variation? I don't see anything about it in the Kimball guide. The doors look factory. I don't see holes for mounting handles, and when I slide the roof back to look inside, the doors look to be captured by the upper cross brace.

George

Dennis Holler posted:

Not sure if I posted this little Bing crane...

if you did i probably replied that i wish i had the US export (tab & slot) version...

the other crane/ wrecker is a JDN (Johann Distler, Nuremberg).  not an exact copy, but very close.  i'd give the edge to the GBN model for the rivet detail on the boom, the load chain w/ a more detailed hook and the corrugated roof.

cheers...gary

i've had these Hafner cars for a while now, but this is the first time i've gotten them in the same place at the same time... a condition that will hopefully persist...

i'm not sure why or how long these cars were available.  no two of these came in the same set; they just seem to pop up randomly.  paired here with a high-end #109 i suppose i could call it a different sort of "private varnish".  i might question the judgement of coupling a wood frame tender that close to a firebox, though.

fun stuff! ...gary

everybody needs some friends,,,,,and the challenger found some,,,,,nice restored tender,and two coaches,but I cant believe as nice as the coaches are,there are no lights,,,,,hummmmmm timmy had to "help" 

overlandflyer posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

Not sure if I posted this little Bing crane...

if you did i probably replied that i wish i had the US export (tab & slot) version...

the other crane/ wrecker is a JDN (Johann Distler, Nuremberg).  not an exact copy, but very close.  i'd give the edge to the GBN model for the rivet detail on the boom, the load chain w/ a more detailed hook and the corrugated roof.

cheers...gary

I have most of a second one with a broken boom.  It's torn off right above the support arm halfway up.  Both of mine are missing one of the three mounting tabs as well.  I suspect most are?  Your pictures do verify the weights are correct.  I was wondering about them. 

Terry, I love those Pullmans.  I have them in Green but not the brown.  I keep an eye out though.

great items every one. 

Terry my black cat ( shadow ( wife calls her alligator ) Use to go in my tunnels and sleep in there. Never in the way of the trains, She also would come out with cob webs on her. LOL 

I got this more or less, Missing the boom and the gears and of coarse string and hook. Now I did get the boom that was the same color as the cab. The green isn't correct but It works for the boom. If you look you will see where the original color shows thru in places which in my point of view makes it look like beginning rust. Light rust. I was going to repaint to get it out but then I saw it as being partially weathered. 

Mine wasn't perfect either, but too nice to repaint.

I figure there is plenty of paint and not much rust, so let her be.

Weathering is a great tinplate reason to avoid a restoration. Cleaning, polishing and part replacement is perfectly acceptable in my book. 

George

terry hudon posted:

everybody needs some friends,,,,,and the challenger found some,,,,,nice restored tender,and two coaches,but I cant believe as nice as the coaches are,there are no lights,,,,,hummmmmm timmy had to "help" 

Terry,

Does he have a license to play with your trains?

George

overlandflyer posted:

Dennis Holler posted:

 

the other crane/ wrecker is a JDN (Johann Distler, Nuremberg).  not an exact copy, but very close.  i'd give the edge to the GBN model for the rivet detail on the boom, the load chain w/ a more detailed hook and the corrugated roof.

cheers...gary

As you might expect the BUB version is similar:

Regards

Fred

As long as we're discussing 4 wheel cranes let's not overlook the Bing/Bub crane (note the hallmark on the side) 

...and what about a BUB crane with a corrugated cardboard roof instead of corrugated metal?

George, I checked my references and I can find no mention of a Flyer NKP boxcar with fixed doors and no door handles.  However, given Flyer's willingness to ship as long as a difference did not matter to performance I guess I'm not too surprised to hear about something like this.  Still, an interesting car.

Robert S. Butler posted:

George, I checked my references and I can find no mention of a Flyer NKP boxcar with fixed doors and no door handles.  However, given Flyer's willingness to ship as long as a difference did not matter to performance I guess I'm not too surprised to hear about something like this.  Still, an interesting car.

Thank you Robert. I was really curious about this so I removed the roof. It was hard to get off, and I didn't want to damage this old car. Here is what I found.

The doors are centered. The litho is printed all the way across the other side. So, there are mounting holes for handles on the ends of the doors. They show no signs of ever having handles installed. The cross brace is friction fit into a groove at the top of the car doors. It's manufactured, not custom. The cut, finish, and squareness of the corners are too perfect for a home job. The doors will move once the brace is removed. My other 3008 cars do not have this brace.

Pretty interesting. I like the car regardless and am not hung up on the lack of door handles.

George

I think those cars are supposed to have a sheet metal brace in there in that spot, maybe it got bent the first time the roof was removed and someone put that in there instead.  The metal one should not have interfered with the doors. It looks like the recessed area above the doors has a dust line at the crease where a plate would have been.  There are cut outs at each corner.  Pop the roof off the other box car and see what is ther.  There seems to be a separate bottom plate to hold the doors in that would let them slide.

I'm curious and just speculating above.

Dennis Holler posted:

I think those cars are supposed to have a sheet metal brace in there in that spot, maybe it got bent the first time the roof was removed and someone put that in there instead.  The metal one should not have interfered with the doors. It looks like the recessed area above the doors has a dust line at the crease where a plate would have been.  There are cut outs at each corner.  Pop the roof off the other box car and see what is ther.  There seems to be a separate bottom plate to hold the doors in that would let them slide.

I'm curious and just speculating above.

I guess it's possible the NKP doors are repro, but the litho color and pattern is a perfect match. The B&O doors are more recessed with cutouts on the back end of the door, like it was planned to be interchangeable with a baggage car. 

No bracing at all on my B&O or UP. I see what you mean by the cut out, but I think AF decided after design to leave that part out.

George

Here's the inside of a beater UP 3008 that I received with this lot. I have a much nicer one already so this one will be sold. The one good door is more similar to the NKP than the B&O.

On the beater, the prior owner replaced a missing door on one side with a Marx 3555 door held in place by a piece of card stock. Doesn't look bad.

George

Here is the uncatologed set with the Black 259E, high truck 8 wheel 261T, and the earlier 1685/1687 withe the darker red body and maroon roofs. Note they all have copper journals, I think the later vermillian red with nickel journals are much more common.  I had found a link on line discussing the various uncatologed sets these cars were in, one of which was this combo.  I got this one off ebay with the seller claiming to be the original family owner, grandpa's train. It'll clean good enough for me. 

You can also see the difference in lettering. I hope the color difference is apparent.

George S posted:

Mine wasn't perfect either, but too nice to repaint.

I figure there is plenty of paint and not much rust, so let her be.

Weathering is a great tinplate reason to avoid a restoration. Cleaning, polishing and part replacement is perfectly acceptable in my book. 

George

The only thing I painted on mine was the boom as someone already had it painted, the same color as the cab. So I took it apart and repainted it, and still missed some areas, so the brownish color seeping thru here and there makes mine look like it has beginning light rust. 

USTTC Stephen Girard and Great Lakes Boxcabs.

I picked up a nice Williams 9e today at the TCA Western Division meet. It does take some voltage to run but it looks good. I took some pics of the motor so if anyone knows who make it please let me know. I also took some video of the 9e pulling some Dorfan freight.

Lionel standard gauge Blue Comet set on the layout. Blue 390E and three matching passenger cars. I purchased the cars a few months ago at my local TTOS meet, and then the locomotive just last weekend. The cars are original, the locomotive is restored.

rtraincollector posted:

great items every one. 

Terry my black cat ( shadow ( wife calls her alligator ) Use to go in my tunnels and sleep in there. Never in the way of the trains, She also would come out with cob webs on her. LOL 

I got this more or less, Missing the boom and the gears and of coarse string and hook. Now I did get the boom that was the same color as the cab. The green isn't correct but It works for the boom. If you look you will see where the original color shows thru in places which in my point of view makes it look like beginning rust. Light rust. I was going to repaint to get it out but then I saw it as being partially weathered. 

I got mine from a seller at a show. He had two or three of them, in pieces that he was restoring then decided to sell. The boom was repainted. I put it together enough to run, but I have been debating repainting it. It looks to me like a Derrick that has seen a lot of hard use.

A custom STD Gauge stock car that came from Arno’s collection. It’s a bit on the short side.

Steve

Nice Steve.

Steamer posted:

rtraincollector posted:

great items every one. 

Terry my black cat ( shadow ( wife calls her alligator ) Use to go in my tunnels and sleep in there. Never in the way of the trains, She also would come out with cob webs on her. LOL 

I got this more or less, Missing the boom and the gears and of coarse string and hook. Now I did get the boom that was the same color as the cab. The green isn't correct but It works for the boom. If you look you will see where the original color shows thru in places which in my point of view makes it look like beginning rust. Light rust. I was going to repaint to get it out but then I saw it as being partially weathered. 

I got mine from a seller at a show. He had two or three of them, in pieces that he was restoring then decided to sell. The boom was repainted. I put it together enough to run, but I have been debating repainting it. It looks to me like a Derrick that has seen a lot of hard use.

Sent you an Email concerning your crane car. That might help you out some. 

George S posted:

Robert S. Butler posted:

George, I checked my references and I can find no mention of a Flyer NKP boxcar with fixed doors and no door handles.  However, given Flyer's willingness to ship as long as a difference did not matter to performance I guess I'm not too surprised to hear about something like this.  Still, an interesting car.

Thank you Robert. I was really curious about this so I removed the roof. It was hard to get off, and I didn't want to damage this old car. Here is what I found.

The doors are centered. The litho is printed all the way across the other side. So, there are mounting holes for handles on the ends of the doors. They show no signs of ever having handles installed. The cross brace is friction fit into a groove at the top of the car doors. It's manufactured, not custom. The cut, finish, and squareness of the corners are too perfect for a home job. The doors will move once the brace is removed. My other 3008 cars do not have this brace.

Pretty interesting. I like the car regardless and am not hung up on the lack of door handles.

George

I think I figured out what happened here. My new (old) car has two braces just like this one except without rust, but they are on each end of the car. The notches that Dennis mentioned are used to bend the sheet metal down as the top guide of the door. This NKP car only has one of the braces and someone put it in the middle to hold the doors in place. Both doors are missing their handles. I wonder where those went?

George

Captaincog posted:

I picked up a nice Williams 9e today at the TCA Western Division meet. It does take some voltage to run but it looks good. I took some pics of the motor so if anyone knows who make it please let me know. I also took some video of the 9e pulling some Dorfan freight.

Captain- that's an awesome layout. Some prewar o gauge electrics take a lot of power to run, I can only imagine how much a Std gauge pulling such a heavy consists would take. Between the new 9e, the Dorfan, the accessories and buildings, I'll just say- that's some fine tin man.

Also, I never looked into Williams reproductions of prewar standard gauge- I just knew that's how Jerry Williams started out.  Seeing your 9e caused me to check out some of his other products- that's some good looking stuff too. Really boosting my motivation to get my next part of the layout up so I can run more tin(currently only 1 of my 3 lines runs tin) so my 254e is currently shelved. Your layout solidifies a near total devotion to tinplate for my up-coming expansion and gives me some good ideas too. Thanks for sharing!