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@coach joe posted:

That's some nice work John.  You say commissioned by the RRMLI, I see 6 of each, if that's the entire production run would you know the intended use for these cars, displays, extremely limited edition sale, fund raising raffle, special gifts?

Thanks coach

6 of each is the current run. They may order another run of 6 in the future, I don't think more than that

Their plan is to sell them to help fund the museum. The grey Crew cars are on their website, the blue tool cars should me up there this week.

With a number of incomplete projects on the "workbench" why would I start another one?  I wish I could answer that question but I just couldn't help myself.  A while back I picked up this Lionel Alaska bunk car to add to my Alaska work train.  Thinking of a work camp out in the bush I added another bunk car and started thinking of making one a mess hall/canteen/ chuck wagon, whatever you'd like to call the kitchen and dining facilities for the camp.  I wanted to add a Lionel tool car to vary the look of the cars.

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I came across this 1989 LRRC Tool Car and figured I could lose the LRRC graphics and re-letter for the ARR.

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To make getting rid of  the LIONEL easier I removed the roof.  I expected the "windows to be part of the roof like the "Madison" passenger cars.  Once I saw that the windows were I separate piece I started thinking of replacing the opaque plastic insert with individual clear windows and detailing the interior.

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Here's the clean canvas waiting for Alaska Railroad decals.  I have a set of Walthers HO Alaska boxcar decals that will provide the lettering and even have a set of repro 614 "decals" with the Eskimo that I bought a long time ago so I thought I was set.  The quotation marks are because that set of decals is actually clear stickers, which would work fine on the flat surface of a diesel switcher but wouldn't really work so good on the wood sides of a tool car.  I've got enough Alaska RR decals that while I don't have any other Eskimos I'll be able to find an appropriate logo to take the Eskimo's place.

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My conundrum is now the rabbit hole that detailing the interior has become.  I have the window material and some 3D benches and tables and even some kitchen appliances but it doesn't end there.  It needs a floor, foam core is too thick, I've already tried it so now to find the right material to fit around that knob in the middle of the car to level the floor and add floor boards.  Oh, did I mention the car is not lighted so all the wonderful detailing would go unseen.  Okay lets add lights, buy some pick-ups, wire them up, my soldering skills aren't the best and I've botched replacing a caboose light socket in the past because of them but what the hey maybe I can get past that.  I have a roll of LEDs that I could use for lights, but I'm not sure what I need to run them off of track power.  I could always ask over on the electrical forum and I'm sure I'll get that answer but then I need to get those components and add them.  Then there's the access hole to bring the wire from the pick-up into the car.  Notice I said hole not holes so if I use double pick-ups for better connectivity and les flickering I'm running wires under the car and that hole is located very near one of the windows so now hiding the wires and not disrupting the interior details is another issue.  Then there's always the battery operated option for the LEDs, a 9 volt, a bracket and a micro switch.  I believe I've both a bracket and a switch around here somewhere.

None of this is truly that difficult and with patience and assistance from the wonderful people here on the forum I'm sure I can get the answers I need and probably even suggestions on how to do it better and where to get the parts and supplies I need to get this done.  I'm just not sure if I want to go through all that right now.  Then what about the two bunk cars?

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B9B5A105-BC85-4881-8800-E9F2251461B0Took a break from track laying to work on , yet another, incomplete project, the ubiquitous Lionel feed mill.  This one received gray paint like the ones I saw in SD and just got some glued-in window glass. Some appropriate lighting is in transit as well.  Other details will be added to hopefully make it not just another plastic feed mill. 🤔

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@Norton posted:

Installing Lionchief in some RMT Beefs. B unit and Trailing A are powered. Considering Kadees to close the gaps but just not now. Still fine tuning. The B unit has a bit of a hitch in its gitalong I am trying to sort out.



Pete

Well, now. Who wouldn't love those? I've never done any Lionchief upgrades - in fact, I've seldom even been around Lionchief.

The close-coupling Kadees would be a nice touch.

@D500 posted:

Well, now. Who wouldn't love those? I've never done any Lionchief upgrades - in fact, I've seldom even been around Lionchief.

The close-coupling Kadees would be a nice touch.

D, Lionchief is currently the least expensive upgrade path to Command Control. A Universal Remote will operate all generations of Lionchief. Currently only basic Lionchief is suitable for upgrading as Lionchief Plus and Lionchief Plus 2 require motors with tach sensors. Basic Lionchief does not. Current base Lionchief will control couplers and smoke. Chuff requires a tach sensor so problematic for steam upgrades.

Pete

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@Norton posted:

D, Lionchief is currently the least expensive upgrade path to Command Control. A Universal Remote will operate all generations of Lionchief. Currently only basic Lionchief is suitable for upgrading as Lionchief Plus and Lionchief Plus 2 require motors with tach sensors. Basic Lionchief does not. Current base Lionchief will control couplers and smoke. Chuff requires a tach sensor so problematic for steam upgrades.

Pete

I didn't know you could buy Lionchief upgrade kits. Where do you purchase them? I have some Williams diesel engines I'd love to upgrade.

@pault posted:

I didn't know you could buy Lionchief upgrade kits. Where do you purchase them? I have some Williams diesel engines I'd love to upgrade.

No kits but you can get the boards from Lionel. You have to supply the speaker and make the wire harnesses but easy if you have the required JST connectors. 2.54mm EH, 2mm PH and 1.5mm ZH.

Most can be had at Amazon.



Both A units are powered. If you want to run any two engines together they must have the same board part number in them. A dedicated or Universal remote will run both together. Neither the LC nor Cab3 app will run two identical engines.

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@pault posted:

I didn't know you could buy Lionchief upgrade kits. Where do you purchase them? I have some Williams diesel engines I'd love to upgrade.

Paul- I put a Lionchief/bluetooth board in a Weaver RS-3. The added benefit is either universal remote or LC app control with a smartphone. I'm planing to do more. As Pete said, it's the most cost effective option to upgrade conventional engines.

I started by searching Lionel's site for an appropriate matching engine for the upgrade (if available) from their Lionchief line. I just added the necessary speaker. No electro-couplers with these boards but not a big deal to me.

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Paul- I put a Lionchief/bluetooth board in a Weaver RS-3. The added benefit is either universal remote or LC app control with a smartphone. I'm planing to do more. As Pete said, it's the most cost effective option to upgrade conventional engines.

I started by searching Lionel's site for an appropriate matching engine for the upgrade (if available) from their Lionchief line. I just added the necessary speaker. No electro-couplers with these boards but not a big deal to me.

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Does that board include sound?  (You mentioned adding a speaker.)

I found it on https://trainsandtoysoldiers.c...-gauge-model-trains/ , and the description doesn't say much.  Can't find it on Lionel's site.

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@Mallard4468 posted:

Does that board include sound?  (You mentioned adding a speaker.)

I found it on https://trainsandtoysoldiers.c...-gauge-model-trains/ , and the description doesn't say much.  Can't find it on Lionel's site.

Yes the LC boards all have sound.
That looks like a bare board, not a LC board. It takes some hunting on Lionel's parts site but what I did was search Lionchief pcb (PC Board) and went through the results till I found a New Haven model. A comparable road name may not be available but if you are doing for example a GP-9 then any GP board would do. The only major issue is that the announcements won't match.

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@necrails posted:

Can someone show how to make the connectors for these boards.  I didn't realize you could buy them but my knowledge of wiring us limited to soldering and wire nuts.

The install is pretty straight forward. The plugs on the boards are labeled so you can figure out sound, lights, motor(s), etc.

The plugs are JST-ZH, motor output is a JST-EH, I bought pre-made harnesses from Ali-express.

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If you scroll back a few pages you will find my RS-3 build as I progressed through it.

Bob

Connectors vary depending on which board you end up with. Early LC had JST EH and PH connectors. Newer ones have those plus ZH connectors. Look for kits with pre crimped wires or invest in a decent crimp tool made for those connectors.

Note both XH and EH are listed as 2.54mm but are not interchangeable. Housings are different.

Good thing LC has only a few harnesses to be made and most are just two wire.

power, motor, speaker, coupler, maybe smoke depending on which board you use.

Pete

Here’s what I’ve been working on.  I have two MTH GP38-2s from 1998 that came with the high water fuel tanks that I didn’t really care for because of the tanks.  I ordered two fuel tanks from MTH for the PS2 GP38-2 but when they arrived they were identical to the ones I already had.  I discovered that the GP38-2 is essentially the same size as the GP40.  I searched MTH for GP40 parts and found they had GP40 tanks in stock.  The picture they showed depicted a fuel tank that appeared to the same as a later version of the GP38-2 that I have.  I ordered a pair, which are painted the UP gray.  They arrived the other day and today I installed one of them.  I had to drill new holes in the frame file a little off the left front support because of the bell and the back center area due to a screw head.  The BNSF unit has the old fuel tank and the UP unit has the new one.  



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I recently bought a NIB Lionel 17317.  I like it a lot.  I determined that I could easily add a collector and ground strap to it, so I thought about adding an ETD.  I posted a query about that, and the general response was that it wouldn't fit the era.  I'm okay with that.  Since I like lights, I added a warm white LED as a bare ceiling light, and bought 2 types of fruit boxes/containers.  I think it came out alright.

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I just checked the MTH parts website and the GP40 fuel tanks are no longer in stock.  I must have bought the last two, lucked out there.  The early GP60Ms used the same high water fuel.  I have three of the later MTH GP60s and the fuel tank on one I checked has the correct distance above the rails but it is shorter that any that are on any of the Atlas GP60s I have.



Larry

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It's not quite on the workbench yet, but...

Awhile ago, I built a Frankenstein steeple cab loco from a MPC switcher and a couple of slope back tenders.  As a result, I have two short tender frames.  Here's a pic of one of them:

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Trying to decide what to do with them.  Leaning towards something whimsical - some kind of short caboose, or maybe put a beer can on it.  Suggestions are appreciated.

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The main drive belt was in great shape surprisingly, but the rubber band in the top of the dispatch board motor assembly was dry rotted. A size 014 70 durometer oring fits and works perfectly! I've seen the belt listed here, but not the dispatch board o-ring size. New favorite operating accessory!

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20240802_005038Been looking for a cheap mth #334 dispatch tower, aware of the main belt dry rot issues. I acquired a nonrunning MTH #334 PRR dispatch tower from Trainz (sold as tested, and not working condition).

The main drive belt was in great shape surprisingly, but the rubber band in the top of the dispatch board motor assembly was dry rotted. A size 014 70 durometer oring fits and works perfectly! I've seen the belt listed here, but not the dispatch board o-ring size. New favorite operating accessory!

Very cool.  I had never seen operate before.

@Mallard4468, I have some similar shorty flat car bodies I picked up at a train show years ago.  I've had different ideas for hem over the years which either didn't work out or proved to be totally off base.  I think I have come up with one that will work for one of them. 

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Put one of those Lionel generators on it to provide power for the work camp cars.

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In the third post down from the top of this page I began the tale of making a set of camp cars to accompany my K-Line ARR work train.  Due to the remoteness of much of the right of way accommodations for the work crews is often necessary.

So as previously posted I'm turning this LRRC Tool car into a commissary car to go along with the bunk car.  All logos and lettering have been stripped using Testor's ELO except for the Lionel Built Date. 

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The opaque shell that served as windows has been replaced by clear glazing and a wooden floor has been installed over the plastic base of the shell.

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These cars served their time in revenue service as ice cooled reefers and were converted into crew cars in Alaska Railroad's own shops.  The shop Forman figured the ice bunker hatches could be used to provide any ventilation necessary but non of the track crew members were fond of getting rained on or snowed on while cooking or eating meals so the commissary car returned to the shops and gained some much needed roof vents.

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I'm standing on the precipice of that rabbit hole I spoke of earlier and this blonde haired girl named Alice keeps shoving me closer and closer.  I've got some K-line pick-up assemblies that snap right into the Lionel trucks.  If I find that roll of LEDs that's hiding around here somewhere and make my way over to the electrical forum I fear I'm a goner.  But first I need to get it all decaled up and clear coated.  Humidity has been sky high here and we've been getting those pop up thunder showers for the last few days so paining is on hold and after seeing decals peeling off another unfinished project because it's been waiting to get finished and clear coated for way to long I'd rather wait on the decals until I think I can get them clear coated in a reasonable amount of time.

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@coach joe posted:

In the third post down from the top of this page I began the tale of making a set of camp cars to accompany my K-Line ARR work train.  Due to the remoteness of much of the right of way accommodations for the work crews is often necessary.



I'm standing on the precipice of that rabbit hole I spoke of earlier and this blonde haired girl named Alice keeps shoving me closer and closer.  I've got some K-line pick-up assemblies that snap right into the Lionel trucks.  If I find that roll of LEDs that's hiding around here somewhere and make my way over to the electrical forum I fear I'm a goner.  But first I need to get it all decaled up and clear coated.  Humidity has been sky high here and we've been getting those pop up thunder showers for the last few days so paining is on hold and after seeing decals peeling off another unfinished project because it's been waiting to get finished and clear coated for way to long I'd rather wait on the decals until I think I can get them clear coated in a reasonable amount of time.

And don't forget the lighting regulator for flicker-free lighting.....

Be careful...don't trip on a tree root.......

Figured I try my hand at weathering on a C&O boxcar and a open LV hopper. The LV I also tried the inside showing bare metal and added light yellow/brown rust runs as if it recently rained. I'm also changing out the trucks on the LV so I didn't really work on them.

I'm going to redo some areas on the boxcar as I noticed things that I'm not pleased with. These were my first two
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@Mallard4468 posted:

It's not quite on the workbench yet, but...

Awhile ago, I built a Frankenstein steeple cab loco from a MPC switcher and a couple of slope back tenders.  As a result, I have two short tender frames.  Here's a pic of one of them:

Trying to decide what to do with them.  Leaning towards something whimsical - some kind of short caboose, or maybe put a beer can on it.  Suggestions are appreciated.

I love short wheelbase projects.

Only one suggestion, though - no beer can. So often seen, and almost always a waste of a nice beginning.

@Mallard4468 posted:

It's not quite on the workbench yet, but...

Awhile ago, I built a Frankenstein steeple cab loco from a MPC switcher and a couple of slope back tenders.  As a result, I have two short tender frames.  Here's a pic of one of them:

Trying to decide what to do with them.  Leaning towards something whimsical - some kind of short caboose, or maybe put a beer can on it.  Suggestions are appreciated.

A transfer caboose, perhaps?

Mitch

@coach joe Joe, yes the rabbit hole is right in front of you.  Nice work!

@T-Bone1214 T-Bone, nice work on your first cars.

@Trainchief Trainchief, I really like the flat.  As an retired telephone employee (not Bell or it's offshoots) I'm curious about the Bell sign too!

@rlplionel yes those old cords need replaced.  Everything else in that ZW looks really great!

NEXT!

My bench is strangely empty, need to fix that. My LIRR Morris Park Switcher is done, I'm just waiting for this miserable HHH weather to pass so I can clear-coat the decals. Tropical Storm Debbi is passing as I write so we should be seeing better weather by tomorrow.

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I bought a pair of ALCO S2's from Cabin Fever in one of the last of the MTH warehouse auctions, with upgrade plans firmly in mind. Originally one powered chassis with no boards, and a dummy.
The powered chassis wound up as this- with a PS3/2 stacker kit.

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The other, a New York Central was going to be a dummy that I was going add lighting and be done. But as fate would have it, when I was sourcing parts for the LNE, I found a forum member who was selling a S2 parts engine, WITH TWO POWERED TRUCKS!

So an ERR upgrade kit from GunnerJohn later, here we go!

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I need to mount the pilot on the front, and side-frames on the rear truck and then get going on the electronics and lighting.

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Well, went back and re-thought my excursion car. Printed out the new chassis, deck, walls benches, and roof. Only problem I had was after painting the chassis, I left it out side for 15 minutes before bringing it inside and the frame warped in the AZ summer heat! Bummer! I installed the trucks and glued all the parts together anyway and added some little people I had laying around. Actually didn't come out too bad I think. I do believe I need to work on the wall dimensions a bit though.

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@mike g. posted:

Nice work guys!

Bob if I ever get my layout up and running again and I find some extra cash I just might send one your way to upgrade for me! LOL

Darrel I think the car looks fine, just add a little dirt there and no one will ever see it! LOL Thats what I do! LOL

Thanks Mike. Probably one of my last ERR upgrades. The boards are getting too expensive. I have one more kit on hand after this one.

Bob

@Darrell posted:

Well, went back and re-thought my excursion car. Printed out the new chassis, deck, walls benches, and roof. Only problem I had was after painting the chassis, I left it out side for 15 minutes before bringing it inside and the frame warped in the AZ summer heat! Bummer! I installed the trucks and glued all the parts together anyway and added some little people I had laying around. Actually didn't come out too bad I think. I do believe I need to work on the wall dimensions a bit though.

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The car looks good Darrel. The potential for 3D printing in the hobby is endless.

Bob

So in the area of tools for working models, what machine tools have you all found reasonably priced and quality?  I will like to get a milling machine, drill press, probably a lathe etc.  Essentially a miniature machine shop or at least benchtop machines.  I have a dremel and some accessories.  But really dont know much about what is available.  Have used drill presses and Grizzly mills along with cnc circuit board milling and fab but I dont have that kind of budget nor do I need to be computer controlled or fast.

Was at the Strasburg show yesterday which was great but did not see machines or get advise I can put into practice.

@Robbin posted:

So in the area of tools for working models, what machine tools have you all found reasonably priced and quality?  I will like to get a milling machine, drill press, probably a lathe etc.  Essentially a miniature machine shop or at least benchtop machines.  I have a dremel and some accessories.  But really dont know much about what is available.  Have used drill presses and Grizzly mills along with cnc circuit board milling and fab but I dont have that kind of budget nor do I need to be computer controlled or fast.

Was at the Strasburg show yesterday which was great but did not see machines or get advise I can put into practice.

In the tabletop category there is Sherline. Can be used as a lathe, mill, drill press with attachments and can also be powered with stepper motors for CNC work. Not cheap to get to that point. Then a huge jump to well made professional machines like Bridgeport. In between are the asian machines from Grizzly, Harbor Freight, and on line sources. They have gotten better and can give OK results after being tuned up.

Older US made machines found at auction can be better option if not worn out.

Pete

@Robbin posted:

So in the area of tools for working models, what machine tools have you all found reasonably priced and quality?  I will like to get a milling machine, drill press, probably a lathe etc.  Essentially a miniature machine shop or at least benchtop machines.  I have a dremel and some accessories.  But really dont know much about what is available.  Have used drill presses and Grizzly mills along with cnc circuit board milling and fab but I dont have that kind of budget nor do I need to be computer controlled or fast.

Was at the Strasburg show yesterday which was great but did not see machines or get advise I can put into practice.

Pete’s 100% correct, the only thing I’ll add is there are combination machines available from Asian vendors. As Pete said, some tweaking and they produce great results for model making. I’ve posted a link below for one such a candidate that wouldn’t be a bank breaker,……I have a few Asian machines, and after some tweaks, I’m extremely satisfied with the end products I produce…..this would be a great topic on a separate thread, however, I defer to the moderators to tell us where,…..I have both older US machines, and some Asian, ….the railroad shop is crammed with the Asian machines, they don’t give me much trouble …..

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Pat

@jstraw124 posted:

My workbench has dual roles, trains and woodworking.  Nice to combine the two.  A quick project using scrap walnut to make some remote control holders for the layout.  The DCS remote holder was modified so that it can accommodate a tethered cord if I need to switch to a new WTIU in the future.

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Your post makes me feel so stupid!  I'm an experienced woodworker and have built lots of challenging projects, and I have plenty of nice hardwood scraps laying around.  However, my train remote holders are utilitarian at best.  Your designs are elegant - don't know why I didn't think of them!  Nice finish, too. 

@Norton posted:

In the tabletop category there is Sherline. Can be used as a lathe, mill, drill press with attachments and can also be powered with stepper motors for CNC work. Not cheap to get to that point. Then a huge jump to well made professional machines like Bridgeport. In between are the asian machines from Grizzly, Harbor Freight, and on line sources. They have gotten better and can give OK results after being tuned up.

Older US made machines found at auction can be better option if not worn out.

Pete

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Pete’s 100% correct, the only thing I’ll add is there are combination machines available from Asian vendors. As Pete said, some tweaking and they produce great results for model making. I’ve posted a link below for one such a candidate that wouldn’t be a bank breaker,……I have a few Asian machines, and after some tweaks, I’m extremely satisfied with the end products I produce…..this would be a great topic on a separate thread, however, I defer to the moderators to tell us where,…..I have both older US machines, and some Asian, ….the railroad shop is crammed with the Asian machines, they don’t give me much trouble …..

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Pat

I've toyed with the idea of getting something like this and have a few questions...

1) One concern of mine with the lower-priced Asian machines is availability (and quality) of the tools and accessories, especially if one decides to add something after the original purchase.  Has this been an issue for you?

2) You mentioned "tweaks" to get good results.  What kind of tuning / modification are you referring to, and what is a good reference for information?

3) Can you recommend a website / organization / book / magazine for learning how to select and use these machines?

Thanks.

@Mallard4468 posted:

I'm an experienced woodworker and have built lots of challenging projects, and I have plenty of nice hardwood scraps laying around.  However, my train remote holders are utilitarian at best.  Your designs are elegant - don't know why I didn't think of them!  Nice finish, too.

Thanks for the kind words.  The scraps came from a batch of wood that was given to me by a retiring coworker. All of it was only 3/16” thick.  Difficult to figure out projects for thin wood.  She said it was milled by her grandfather over 100 years ago.  I enjoy the irony of that vintage of wood being used to hold remote controls.

Of course I can’t figure out when enough is enough on both my woodworking and train projects.  I didn’t care much for the clonk sound the remotes made when dropped into the holder, so now they’re felt lined.

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I've toyed with the idea of getting something like this and have a few questions...

1) One concern of mine with the lower-priced Asian machines is availability (and quality) of the tools and accessories, especially if one decides to add something after the original purchase.  Has this been an issue for you?

2) You mentioned "tweaks" to get good results.  What kind of tuning / modification are you referring to, and what is a good reference for information?

3) Can you recommend a website / organization / book / magazine for learning how to select and use these machines?

Thanks.

Like I mentioned earlier, this would be a great thread to start a conversation about, but I’m not sure where such a discussion should belong, ….I don’t think it’s this particular thread, ….which means we wind up with our suggestions in the twilight zone,…….We need to ask the moderators where to put this topic, and keep a good rolling resource thread for tools/machines

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

Like I mentioned earlier, this would be a great thread to start a conversation about, but I’m not sure where such a discussion should belong, ….I don’t think it’s this particular thread, ….which means we wind up with our suggestions in the twilight zone,…….We need to ask the moderators where to put this topic, and keep a good rolling resource thread for tools/machines

Pat

Sorry...but we can not currently devote bandwidth to a separate sub-forum about tools and machines.  It likely would morph into discussions unrelated to the purpose of the forum.  There is nothing wrong with pointing out the tools and "machines"  you have used to repair, build, etc. your rolling stock and locomotives (and related items) here in this thread as many of you already have.  Just make sure that you only use links if you are going to mention/recommend non-sponsors please.  You also have the ability to contact one another via profile emails to discuss in more detail the tools/machines you have used.  Finally, we do provide you with a rather extensive resource list which has all kinds of useful links including a lot of help locating product which can aid you at your workbench.

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Hello all,

As a long time lurker on this thread, I finally have something worthy to contribute. 

In January my Sunset 3rd Rail O5a (circa 2005) ran about ten feet when the TAS TMCC board died with a burning smell.  It's not the first TAS board of that vintage that's given up on me.  Today, the project's coming off the bench.

I buy trains to run, this one's too nice to be a shelf queen.

I gutted all the electronics and lighting.  Put in ERR Cruise w/Railsounds, all LED lighting, JWA's Superchuffer with his chuff generator.  It has turned out fantastic. 

Here's a test video as I was figuring out the JWA products:

 

The final product:

@jstraw124 posted:

Thanks for the kind words.  The scraps came from a batch of wood that was given to me by a retiring coworker. All of it was only 3/16” thick.  Difficult to figure out projects for thin wood.  She said it was milled by her grandfather over 100 years ago.  I enjoy the irony of that vintage of wood being used to hold remote controls.

Of course I can’t figure out when enough is enough on both my woodworking and train projects.  I didn’t care much for the clonk sound the remotes made when dropped into the holder, so now they’re felt lined.

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OK, now you're just piling on. 

@harmonyards posted:

Like I mentioned earlier, this would be a great thread to start a conversation about, but I’m not sure where such a discussion should belong, ….I don’t think it’s this particular thread, ….which means we wind up with our suggestions in the twilight zone,…….We need to ask the moderators where to put this topic, and keep a good rolling resource thread for tools/machines

Pat

Based on Alan's answer, it sounds like answering in this forum is fair game, unless we digress into non-train uses.  If you get the chance, please respond to my earlier questions, either within this thread (IMO, this would help others besides myself) or via my profile email.  Your insights will be appreciated.

Serviced an Atlas RS-1 that I bought from a forum member recently. It has TMCC with EOB. I opened the shell looking for a volume control...none to be found. Also, no battery????
Anyway getting the shell back on was fun. What in the name of all things good was Atlas thinking with that crazy antenna arrangement. I had the cab on and off 5 times to get everything back in the right spots.......

Bob

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NEXT!

My bench is strangely empty, need to fix that. My LIRR Morris Park Switcher is done, I'm just waiting for this miserable HHH weather to pass so I can clear-coat the decals. Tropical Storm Debbi is passing as I write so we should be seeing better weather by tomorrow.





I bought a pair of ALCO S2's from Cabin Fever in one of the last of the MTH warehouse auctions, with upgrade plans firmly in mind. Originally one powered chassis with no boards, and a dummy.
The powered chassis wound up as this- with a PS3/2 stacker kit.

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The other, a New York Central was going to be a dummy that I was going add lighting and be done. But as fate would have it, when I was sourcing parts for the LNE, I found a forum member who was selling a S2 parts engine, WITH TWO POWERED TRUCKS!

So an ERR upgrade kit from GunnerJohn later, here we go!

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I need to mount the pilot on the front, and side-frames on the rear truck and then get going on the electronics and lighting.

More fun!

Bob

Bob - looks like a nice rainy day project!

@mike g. posted:

Dave I sure hope you share more photos and tell a little how your going about doing this as I know I am going to have some that I want to repaint down the road!

Not much to it Mike.   I use SCALECOAT II - Wash away to remove old markings.   Important to wash in soapy water, rinse and dry before painting.    I'm lucky with this project to be able to use rattle cans  - RUST-OLEUM Gloss Marigold & Flat Red Primer.    If needed, I clear gloss coat areas that receives decals.   After a good cure, I use a flat finish to seal the decals.  The biggest problem can be getting everything put back together correctly.   I take pictures at times to reference part locations, etc.  That was a specially true with my American and Big Hooke crane cars I did this spring.    I am off on a trip now so it will be a few weeks before I get  back to the bench.

Cheers, Dave

PS:  Looks like you have a great home for new layout!   Anxious to follow your progress!

Inspired by @Sitka's #41 US Army switcher project, I just finished lighting this MPC-era Lionel Marines bunk car from 1984:

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I used Evan Designs 3mm universal 7-19v "bulb" LED kits recommended by @WesternPacific2217. I mounted them "slip-fit" using sections of spray bottle tubing so they can be replaced. The tubes also allow for some diffused light inside the car. Fortunately, the arch-bar trucks were designed to accommodate a standard "snap-in" pickup plate. To reduce flicker, I added some car weights over the "pickup truck" end of the car.

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As Tom Bodett says at the end of his Motel 6 spots, "We'll leave the light on for ya'."

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@Bill Swatos posted:

Inspired by @Sitka's #41 US Army switcher project, I just finished lighting this MPC-era Lionel Marines bunk car from 1984:

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I used Evan Designs 3mm universal 7-19v "bulb" LED kits recommended by @WesternPacific2217. I mounted them "slip-fit" using sections of spray bottle tubing so they can be replaced. The tubes also allow for some diffused light inside the car. Fortunately, the arch-bar trucks were designed to accommodate a standard "snap-in" pickup plate. To reduce flicker, I added some car weights over the "pickup truck" end of the car.

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As Tom Bodett says at the end of his Motel 6 spots, "We'll leave the light on for ya'."

Nice job Bill that is a much better look then the interior, a job well done Mark

Ceramic lighthouse from a friend's estate. A "model" I guess of a large, offshore structure. Scale....? Waterfront/coastal things always appeal to me.

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I wanted to re-detail it to represent a smaller lighthouse, such as can be seen around estuarial and riverine environments - here, at "The Gullet" of Dusty Bayou. The story is that it is actually disused, as the bayou was bypassed by a canal project, off-camera (trust me).

I'm not sure that the alligator at the door is not, uh, overkill. I may add some "keep out" signs and fencing one day. It's getting pretty crowded in Dusty Bayou.

I "re-scaled" the structure by getting rid of the little windows and adding a couple of 1:48 Grandt Line window frames, this side and the other. This resembles a larger lighthouse offshore in the Gulf south of Mobile.

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The door frame/door unit is also 1:48 Grandt Line, so I guess I have sufficiently re-scaled this to O or so. Ceramic is great to paint - porous and a natural-feeling substance. The entrance way is scratch built from HobLob basswood. My door knob looks more like a door blob. But, oh, well.

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@D500 posted:

Ceramic lighthouse from a friend's estate. A "model" I guess of a large, offshore structure. Scale....? Waterfront/coastal things always appeal to me.

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I wanted to re-detail it to represent a smaller lighthouse, such as can be seen around estuarial and riverine environments - here, at "The Gullet" of Dusty Bayou. The story is that it is actually disused, as the bayou was bypassed by a canal project, off-camera (trust me).

I'm not sure that the alligator at the door is not, uh, overkill. I may add some "keep out" signs and fencing one day. It's getting pretty crowded in Dusty Bayou.

I "re-scaled" the structure by getting rid of the little windows and adding a couple of 1:48 Grandt Line window frames, this side and the other. This resembles a larger lighthouse offshore in the Gulf south of Mobile.

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The door frame/door unit is also 1:48 Grandt Line, so I guess I have sufficiently re-scaled this to O or so. Ceramic is great to paint - porous and a natural-feeling substance. The entrance way is scratch built from HobLob basswood. My door knob looks more like a door blob. But, oh, well.

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Nice! Now you need a foghorn...

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@D500

How'd you get rid of the original windows?  My wife had gotten me this light house that may need some re-scaling and a solid rock base to add some height.

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Notice on the picture below of the original that the small windows are actually holes (this isn't really a bad model, as such ceramic things go); I stuffed them with heavy-duty aluminum foil wadded up, added some CA, then filled the remaining shallow hole with Bondo, then sanded smooth once everything was cured. I actually left the mid-height window hole on each side, then added a new larger window frame centered over it. Before that I painted the area around the original hole/window flat black to trick the eye.

Your windows appear to be a raised surface treatment. You could still use new window frames of appropriate 1:48 size, and also paint the area behind them to trick the eye, as I did. Removing some of your windows may be trickier, as ceramic is, by definition, really hard. A Dremel and abrasive bits (sandpaper type?) might slowly knock them down. You also might just "board them up" with basswood or styrene, just to change the look.

Filler (Bondo) may be needed. Then spray paint the walls with several coats of flat paint. That's what I did. It was really a fairly fun project that turned out better than I expected it to.

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Started digging into my S2 switcher build. First up is to put sideframes and the pilot onto the rear truck. The engine was a Premier dummy that I'm repowering. The dummy trucks didn't have the worm drive and idler gears.

I sourced a Railking parts engine that happened to have one complete truck, and one without the frames. Easy right? I'll just use the Premier frames and pilot. NOT! The mounting holes are different on the two models.
The holes are close but don't match, and the Premier are top-mount, Railking bottom.

Not sure if I want to try and drill the truck out or just find another truck. And of course, MTH doesn't have the parts list for any of these on the website yet.

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The pilot has the matching holes but the holes in the truck are not tapped.

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I also ordered jst-eh wiring harnesses from Ali-express for the ERR upgrade.

Bob

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IMG_0945After having disassembled and modified dozens of passenger cars in my collection, I feel like an idiot for not figuring this out sooner.  Near the ends of most passenger cars there is an aisleway to one side and the windows will often have a handrail.  From now on, I plan to add this railing where appropriate because everything I buy is going to get “dinked with”.  I can’t help it.

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Started digging into my S2 switcher build. First up is to put sideframes and the pilot onto the rear truck. The engine was a Premier dummy that I'm repowering. The dummy trucks didn't have the worm drive and idler gears.

I sourced a Railking parts engine that happened to have one complete truck, and one without the frames. Easy right? I'll just use the Premier frames and pilot. NOT! The mounting holes are different on the two models.
The holes are close but don't match, and the Premier are top-mount, Railking bottom.

Not sure if I want to try and drill the truck out or just find another truck. And of course, MTH doesn't have the parts list for any of these on the website yet.

The pilot has the matching holes but the holes in the truck are not tapped.

This is the complete RK truck

I also ordered jst-eh wiring harnesses from Ali-express for the ERR upgrade.

Bob

Bob, what a bummer.  Some here have the skills to make this work.  I do not.  I think I would have to shelve it until parts are available or I found the proper engine to cannibalize.

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Bob, what a bummer.  Some here have the skills to make this work.  I do not.  I think I would have to shelve it until parts are available or I found the proper engine to cannibalize.

I could too Mark, I just need to have the Harmon Shops at my disposal......

I was able to tap the hole for the pilot yesterday, easy stuff. The trucks are a different story. I'd have to butcher one or both sets of holes (frame and truck), to get screw holes that will work. Biggest issue is that the existing holes are just close enough that I can't drill new holes without the bit walking off into the existing. The tolerance left to right of the wheels is only about a 1/16" too so if I'm off just a little the brake shoes will hit the wheel.

Coupled with the fact that the frames have a different appearance from most 2-axel diesels. I'd wind up replacing them on both trucks if I mess one up. All of my 2-axel diesels have Bloomberg AAR style trucks. Alco used a truck designed by one of their engineers James Blunt, which is what MTH modeled.

So I'm searching for the correct truck that I can use instead.

Bob

@RSJB18 posted:

I could too Mark, I just need to have the Harmon Shops at my disposal......

Biggest issue is that the existing holes are just close enough that I can't drill new holes without the bit walking off into the existing. The tolerance left to right of the wheels is only about a 1/16" too so if I'm off just a little the brake shoes will

So I'm searching for the correct truck that I can use instead.

Bob

Yes, I thought of Harmon Shops! 😊

I hate that where the hole is too close to drill another.  🤦‍♂️

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@RSJB18 posted:

The trucks are a different story. I'd have to butcher one or both sets of holes (frame and truck), to get screw holes that will work. Biggest issue is that the existing holes are just close enough that I can't drill new holes without the bit walking off into the existing.

  • My possible solution to your aforementioned dilemma is as follows.
  • Buy a 4:40 tap and some 4:40, brass machine screws that are longer than the thickness of the material into which the existing hole is drilled (or 6:32 brass machine screws if the existing hole is larger than a threaded 4:40 hole). The drill size for a 4:40 is a #43 drill and a 6:32 is a #36 drill.
  • Enlarge your existing hole with the appropriately sized drill and tap the hole for the threads.
  • Using a small amount of Epoxy on the threads of your brass machine screw (I recommend brass for the softness of the metal which will become obvious in the next paragraph) and carefully screw the Epoxy-laden screw into the newly drilled hole unit the bottom of the screw is exactly flush with the surface of the material into which it is being screwed.
  • Let the Epoxy THOUROGHLY dry.
  • Once the Epoxy is dry, cut off the top of the screw as close to the surface of the material into which the screw was inserted. The brass screw is the best for a easier cut.
  • Using a fine-toothed file, file any part of the screw protruding the surface of the material into which the screw was inserted, so the cut screw is now even with that surface (again, the brass screw will be less resistant to the file.
  • You are now left with a surface into which to drill your new hole that no longer has an existing, encroaching hole in the way. The brass screw plugging the existing hole is also less resistant to the drill for your new hole.
  • My possible solution to your aforementioned dilemma is as follows.
  • Buy a 4:40 tap and some 4:40, brass machine screws that are longer than the thickness of the material into which the existing hole is drilled (or 6:32 brass machine screws if the existing hole is larger than a threaded 4:40 hole). The drill size for a 4:40 is a #43 drill and a 6:32 is a #36 drill.
  • Enlarge your existing hole with the appropriately sized drill and tap the hole for the threads.
  • Using a small amount of Epoxy on the threads of your brass machine screw (I recommend brass for the softness of the metal which will become obvious in the next paragraph) and carefully screw the Epoxy-laden screw into the newly drilled hole unit the bottom of the screw is exactly flush with the surface of the material into which it is being screwed.
  • Let the Epoxy THOUROGHLY dry.
  • Once the Epoxy is dry, cut off the top of the screw as close to the surface of the material into which the screw was inserted. The brass screw is the best for a easier cut.
  • Using a fine-toothed file, file any part of the screw protruding the surface of the material into which the screw was inserted, so the cut screw is now even with that surface (again, the brass screw will be less resistant to the file.
  • You are now left with a surface into which to drill your new hole that no longer has an existing, encroaching hole in the way. The brass screw plugging the existing hole is also less resistant to the drill for your new hole.

Thanks Randy. Makes perfect sense. I'm going to try and find the right truck from MTH first. If not, I may give this  a shot.

Bob

I’m still adding to the little passenger train consist that is led by my recently purchased PRR Doodlebug from Lionel’s 2024 Catalog.  Several weeks ago I showed my updates to my Lionel 9510 PRR Combo Mail/Passenger car.  I then purchased a NIB 19002 PRR Dining Car.   I bought a MTH dining car insert (all I could find) and did a lot of surgery to it. I cut out the cooking area, added an Arrista cook sans legs, and some pots/pans bought from Etsy. All of the pots/pans needed painted.  For the dining area I had to cut off half the tables on one side in order to get them to fit. I painted on white tablecloths, added painted dishes and coffee cups, and then legless seated passengers.  I bought an Arrista waiter, but decided not to add him since he’s much larger than the diners. The chef is by himself so he’s okay.  I added a lady walking behind the kitchen area to ‘show’ that you can get to that car from the Doodlebug that’s in front of it.  I put an LED light strip with a lighting regulator on the ceiling, some clear ‘glass’ and voila!

It looks decent when viewed at arms length  I’ll readily admit it pales in comparison to some of the dining car upgrades posted here.  My next project will be to populate a yet-to-buy PRR Passenger Car.

Update: I just bought a NIB Lionel 9515 Passenger Car on the bay.  I'll be starting that project in mid-September.



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@texgeekboy posted:

I’m still adding to the little passenger train consist that is led by my recently purchased PRR Doodlebug from Lionel’s 2024 Catalog.  Several weeks ago I showed my updates to my Lionel 9510 PRR Combo Mail/Passenger car.  I then purchased a NIB 19002 PRR Dining Car.   I bought a MTH dining car insert (all I could find) and did a lot of surgery to it. I cut out the cooking area, added an Arrista cook sans legs, and some pots/pans bought from Etsy. All of the pots/pans needed painted.  For the dining area I had to cut off half the tables on one side in order to get them to fit. I painted on white tablecloths, added painted dishes and coffee cups, and then legless seated passengers.  I bought an Arrista waiter, but decided not to add him since he’s much larger than the diners. The chef is by himself so he’s okay.  I added a lady walking behind the kitchen area to ‘show’ that you can get to that car from the Doodlebug that’s in front of it.  I put an LED light strip with a lighting regulator on the ceiling, some clear ‘glass’ and voila!

it looks decent when viewed at arms length  I’ll readily admit it pales in comparison to some of the dining car upgrades posted here.  My next project will be to populate a yet-to-buy PRR Passenger Car.






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Nice work. I think it looks great.

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Thanks! My first time using the peel paint look. Spray a little hairspray on the base coat and then put on your final coat over that. You're now ready to destroy your project by scrapping off the paint. It turned out much better than I anticipated. Learned the technique from the military model guys. They are great at weathering and paint peeling.

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MTH - this Hudson in not painted - well, it is below the waist, but not the main castings (the nose fin only had been painted, however). I found it disassembled on eBay some years ago, minus all boards, with the little boiler/tender parts in plastic bags.There were almost no screws in the box, but I had all that I needed left over from my scratch-bashing activities (except the main boiler screws, which I found at Ace Hardware). I put ERR Cruise Commander in it, no sound, no smoke; operating coil coupler.

Lately I decided to letter it, and emulated the 5445 in Mercury service, as shown in 2 photos in Know Thy Hudsons. Apparently, cast zinc has the NYC Century gray dead to rights.  The builders plates and the oval came in a bag, as well as the brass coupler cover. The piping was in place.

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No casting paint here either. Brass coal cover doors.

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Still no paint. The white stripes and aluminum lettering follow the prototype photos well enough. The road name is from an old Walthers NYC set.

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Actually, it is painted now - it had 2 coats of Glosscote applied after I assembled and cleaned it, and some Dullcote after the decaling.

As received a few years back. I have trouble resisting this sort of thing. Enjoyable.

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Re-started my S2 project......and then re-stopped........

The CEO was otherwise occupied today so except for a small detour to the MIL's house to hang a drape, I had some time at the bench today. Some mid-afternoon rain helped the cause as well.

I did the truck assembly, installed the frames, pilots, pick up wires, and Lionel electro-couplers.
Speaker and prog/run switch went into the fuel tank and the tank was installed.

I wired up the motors and tested them, again all is moving in the right direction.

Then I took a good look at the Cruise-commander and railsounds boards and the a aforementioned stop occurred. It doesn't look like the boards will fit under the small narrow hood of the S2...... I tried various arrangements but even if I could fit the boards, forget about connecting any wires. I even considered putting the RS board in the cab but then the engineer and conductor would have to run the train from the back porch.

So unless I'm missing the obvious then I may drop back and punt on this engine getting an ERR upgrade and might try a Flyer-chief or Lionchief board.

At least I got to see it move.....

To be continued......

Bob

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@RSJB18 posted:

Re-started my S2 project......and then re-stopped........

The CEO was otherwise occupied today so except for a small detour to the MIL's house to hang a drape, I had some time at the bench today. Some mid-afternoon rain helped the cause as well.

I did the truck assembly, installed the frames, pilots, pick up wires, and Lionel electro-couplers.
Speaker and prog/run switch went into the fuel tank and the tank was installed.

I wired up the motors and tested them, again all is moving in the right direction.

Then I took a good look at the Cruise-commander and railsounds boards and the a aforementioned stop occurred. It doesn't look like the boards will fit under the small narrow hood of the S2...... I tried various arrangements but even if I could fit the boards, forget about connecting any wires. I even considered putting the RS board in the cab but then the engineer and conductor would have to run the train from the back porch.

So unless I'm missing the obvious then I may drop back and punt on this engine getting an ERR upgrade and might try a Flyer-chief or Lionchief board.

At least I got to see it move.....

To be continued......

Bob

Sounds like a frustrating effort Bob. If the only recourse is to use the cab then perhaps you could use a silhouette for the crew.

@Mark Boyce posted:

Bob, small success, but that’s a disappointment about the ERR boards 😢

Sounds like a frustrating effort Bob. If the only recourse is to use the cab then perhaps you could use a silhouette for the crew.

I decided to go with a Flyerchief board. Lionel made a Baldwin VO-1000 with decent sounds. It will give me bluetooth/ universal remote control, electro-couplers, and lights.

Now to decide what to put the ERR boards in.........

And for the record....I opened the Soundtraxx/ blunami site and took a look around.......

Thanks guys.

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Then I took a good look at the Cruise-commander and railsounds boards and the a aforementioned stop occurred. It doesn't look like the boards will fit under the small narrow hood of the S2...... I tried various arrangements but even if I could fit the boards, forget about connecting any wires. I even considered putting the RS board in the cab but then the engineer and conductor would have to run the train from the back porch.

So unless I'm missing the obvious then I may drop back and punt on this engine getting an ERR upgrade and might try a Flyer-chief or Lionchief board.

Dr. Moreau recommends a radical motor-ectomy!  This is a small switcher.  With a little weight and the dreaded rubber tires, it should still be able to pull 8-10 plastic freight cars.  And without the 2nd motor in there, you should be able to mount the ERR and RailSounds boards in the long hood.

Make sure you keep the motor that is more responsive, the one that starts sooner.  (Before you choose, you might give both motors a spritz of Deoxit D5 through the oval-shaped hole where the commutator is.  That stuff has been shown to improve the performance of the ubiquitous RS-385s, especially ones that have accumulated some mileage.)

If you go the LionChief route let us know how you make out.  There is no wrong approach as long as you're having fun.  Thanks for sharing!!

@Ted S posted:

Dr. Moreau recommends a radical motor-ectomy!  This is a small switcher.  With a little weight and the dreaded rubber tires, it should still be able to pull 8-10 plastic freight cars.  And without the 2nd motor in there, you should be able to mount the ERR and RailSounds boards in the long hood.

Make sure you keep the motor that is more responsive, the one that starts sooner.  (Before you choose, you might give both motors a spritz of Deoxit D5 through the oval-shaped hole where the commutator is.  That stuff has been shown to improve the performance of the ubiquitous RS-385s, especially ones that have accumulated some mileage.)

If you go the LionChief route let us know how you make out.  There is no wrong approach as long as you're having fun.  Thanks for sharing!!

Ted, that last line says it all about this hobby!!!

@Ted S posted:

Dr. Moreau recommends a radical motor-ectomy!  This is a small switcher.  With a little weight and the dreaded rubber tires, it should still be able to pull 8-10 plastic freight cars.  And without the 2nd motor in there, you should be able to mount the ERR and RailSounds boards in the long hood.

Make sure you keep the motor that is more responsive, the one that starts sooner.  (Before you choose, you might give both motors a spritz of Deoxit D5 through the oval-shaped hole where the commutator is.  That stuff has been shown to improve the performance of the ubiquitous RS-385s, especially ones that have accumulated some mileage.)

If you go the LionChief route let us know how you make out.  There is no wrong approach as long as you're having fun.  Thanks for sharing!!

If you go back a page Ted you will see why I'm keeping two motors in this engine. I had actually considered running it with one motor if I didn't find the correct truck (which I did). So no shame in dropping back and punting. The ERR boards will find a home eventually.

I have one LC/BT upgrade under my belt with my RS3 so this should go well. What I learned from @Norton Pete, on here was that Flyerchief boards could be used in O gauge. My knowledge of AF was DC power so I didn't know that Flyerchief has a rectifier for AC/DC conversion. Bonus at this level of board is electro-couplers, which basic Lionchief boards don't include. Since the engine was being set up for ERR, I've already installed Lionel couplers and the correct speaker.

And yes, as @Mark Boyce confirmed, I'm having fun, fun, fun!

Thanks

@RSJB18 posted:

If you go back a page Ted you will see why I'm keeping two motors in this engine. I had actually considered running it with one motor if I didn't find the correct truck (which I did). So no shame in dropping back and punting. The ERR boards will find a home eventually.

I have one LC/BT upgrade under my belt with my RS3 so this should go well. What I learned from @Norton Pete, on here was that Flyerchief boards could be used in O gauge. My knowledge of AF was DC power so I didn't know that Flyerchief has a rectifier for AC/DC conversion. Bonus at this level of board is electro-couplers, which basic Lionchief boards don't include. Since the engine was being set up for ERR, I've already installed Lionel couplers and the correct speaker.

And yes, as @Mark Boyce confirmed, I'm having fun, fun, fun!

Thanks

Yes Bob, that was important information Pete shared about the FlyerChief board.  Makes for good features in a small engine!

Here is a Williams NW2 with a Flyerchief board. It has working electro couplers, directional lighting, two motors and it would drive a smoke unit if one were present.

It supposedly has back EMF Cruise as well though trying to move the camera and turn the knob makes it appear a bit jerky.


The Universal LC Remote will operate two identical BT engines but neither the LC nor Cab3 App will. They appear as two engines and can only connect to one at a time. My Williams F3 A units operate as a pair with their Flyerchief boards.

One other note about Flyerchief boards with cruise, the work best with motors in parallel like ERR Cruise. Series motors will not run smoothly at all. Also for single engines the Cab3 App will allow the slowest speed steps. The Universal Remote starts these engine around speed step 6.




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@Norton posted:

Here is a Williams NW2 with a Flyerchief board. It has working electro couplers, directional lighting, two motors and it would drive a smoke unit if one were present.

It supposedly has back EMF Cruise as well though trying to move the camera and turn the knob makes it appear a bit jerky.




The Universal LC Remote will operate two identical BT engines but neither the LC nor Cab3 App will. They appear as two engines and can only connect to one at a time. My Williams F3 A units operate as a pair with their Flyerchief boards.

One other note about Flyerchief boards with cruise, the work best with motors in parallel like ERR Cruise. Series motors will not run smoothly at all. Also for single engines the Cab3 App will allow the slowest speed steps. The Universal Remote starts these engine around speed step 6.






Pete

I've found that the LC or Base3 app work better than the universal remote. Better speed control for sure.

Bob

@Norton posted:

Here is a Williams NW2 with a Flyerchief board. It has working electro couplers, directional lighting, two motors and it would drive a smoke unit if one were present.

It supposedly has back EMF Cruise as well though trying to move the camera and turn the knob makes it appear a bit jerky.


The Universal LC Remote will operate two identical BT engines but neither the LC nor Cab3 App will. They appear as two engines and can only connect to one at a time. My Williams F3 A units operate as a pair with their Flyerchief boards.

One other note about Flyerchief boards with cruise, the work best with motors in parallel like ERR Cruise. Series motors will not run smoothly at all. Also for single engines the Cab3 App will allow the slowest speed steps. The Universal Remote starts these engine around speed step 6.




Pete

Sharp. As usual.

The Wms NW-2 - I put ERR in one some years ago, but no sound, as those little hoods (about the size of an S-scale boxcar....?) and one motor taking up the cab, made sound not impossible, probably, but beyond my desired efforts. It does run well.

@D500 posted:

Sharp. As usual.

The Wms NW-2 - I put ERR in one some years ago, but no sound, as those little hoods (about the size of an S-scale boxcar....?) and one motor taking up the cab, made sound not impossible, probably, but beyond my desired efforts. It does run well.

The beauty of these D is they come with sound, not unlike the Blunami but without the variety. Still a fraction of the price of ERR. Really all you need for a Diesel anyway. Chuffing smoke is way more complicated though as they don’t use a chuff switch, rather a tach sensor.

Pete

Thanks, Bob!  I didn't see a way to look at specs for the boards, so I have a couple more questions.

It appears there are just two boards, a steam and diesel.  You can't load a specific sound file, you get the generic sound (not a problem for me at that price, plus the diesels I'd like to upgrade are all EMD).  I also would like you to confirm that running on the Lionchief app with your smartphone is one of the control options available.  I believe that's correct based on the posts I've read on this thread.

Thanks again!

John

I just finished updating my Lionel 9515 PRR Passenger car.  The first photo is of the inside.  I taped the lighting regulator to the ceiling rather than put it at the back of the car and frosting some windows, and perhaps making a dummy wall.  It was fine up there.  I added a couple of seats facing each other.  I did see those in some prototype photos of the 60s and 70s, so I thought that was okay.

The movie at the end shows my Lionel 2235060 PRR Doodlebug, followed by my mod'd Lionel 19002 PRR Dining Car, then this 9515 Passenger Car, and finally my mod'd Lionel 9510 PRR Mail Combo Car Baggage Passenger Car.  I'm not sure how many cars a doodlebug pulled in real life, but I think 3 is the max for my RR.



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Re-started my S2 project......and then re-stopped........

The CEO was otherwise occupied today so except for a small detour to the MIL's house to hang a drape, I had some time at the bench today. Some mid-afternoon rain helped the cause as well.

I did the truck assembly, installed the frames, pilots, pick up wires, and Lionel electro-couplers.
Speaker and prog/run switch went into the fuel tank and the tank was installed.

I wired up the motors and tested them, again all is moving in the right direction.

Then I took a good look at the Cruise-commander and railsounds boards and the a aforementioned stop occurred. It doesn't look like the boards will fit under the small narrow hood of the S2...... I tried various arrangements but even if I could fit the boards, forget about connecting any wires. I even considered putting the RS board in the cab but then the engineer and conductor would have to run the train from the back porch.

So unless I'm missing the obvious then I may drop back and punt on this engine getting an ERR upgrade and might try a Flyer-chief or Lionchief board.

At least I got to see it move.....

To be continued......

Bob

Sorry for being so far behind, life has gotten in the way.

Question for you Bob, I don't know anything about boards and when I open an engine up my heart starts to race and I began to sweat! But if the boards are to wide for the shell, I have never seen this but is there any reason you can't put them in on there side? Just asking for a friend! LOL

Got the decals complete on both. The road name lettering is too small on the U-boat. The decal set is made for full scale size locos, so they don't work out right on a semi-scale loco. The shells need a little touch-up work and cleaning, then clear coat. The caboose should be done soon. I still have to mask and paint the loco trucks, which won't be easy because everything is staked and riveted together, so it will be a while before the loco is ready for service.

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@Mike D posted:

Got the decals complete on both. The road name lettering is too small on the U-boat. The decal set is made for full scale size locos, so they don't work out right on a semi-scale loco. The shells need a little touch-up work and cleaning, then clear coat. The caboose should be done soon. I still have to mask and paint the loco trucks, which won't be easy because everything is staked and riveted together, so it will be a while before the loco is ready for service.

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Mike those look great!

IMG_3320IMG_3322IMG_3323Its not glamorous work but cutting the legs off of “people” and fitting them into a Disney toy monorail that goes around my amusement park. Ive also upgraded the motor to run better than the Disney provided one thanks to another online forum recommendation.  

Don't mind the layout, I have a LONG LONG way to go.

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IMG_3320IMG_3322IMG_3323Its not glamorous work but cutting the legs off of “people” and fitting them into a Disney toy monorail that goes around my amusement park. Ive also upgraded the motor to run better than the Disney provided one thanks to another online forum recommendation.  

Don't mind the layout, I have a LONG LONG way to go.

Pault - nice work. I have that Disney set too that I want to run over my carnival area. What motor upgrade did you do?

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Pault - nice work. I have that Disney set too that I want to run over my carnival area. What motor upgrade did you do?

Thanks! The Disney forum I read is below. It mentions needing a new worm gear but the motor that came fit just fine in this blue stripe monorail set, I just pulled it off the old motor worm gear and slid it onto the shaft of the new motor. The motor itself, I couldn't find the one they talk about due to age of the post but I found its newer model. Cant beat $8 from Amazon, its one of cheapest train board upgrades I have ever done! Simple solder job. I tested it with the AA batteries before putting the monorail engine back together.

Forum - https://forums.wdwmagic.com/th...motor-thread.667834/

Amazon Motor Link - https://a.co/d/9dtqSZa

I originally liked the Blue Stripe Disney monorail because except for a very small WDW logo, you have no idea its Disney unless you run the monorail with sound. I don't because the sound of my trains in the basement is borderline deafening. For my trains to run underneath the monorail, I cut a 2X4 into 4 inch sections and bought some small bricks off of Amazon. The wife helped me glue all the bricks onto the blocks. I have to make them pretty with some moss or something else somewhere down the line but I love that one of my train lines goes under the monorail.

Sorry if I'm not allowed to post external links. Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules.

@mike g. posted:

Sorry for being so far behind, life has gotten in the way.

Question for you Bob, I don't know anything about boards and when I open an engine up my heart starts to race and I began to sweat! But if the boards are to wide for the shell, I have never seen this but is there any reason you can't put them in on there side? Just asking for a friend! LOL

Hi Mike- I had considered flipping the board but it would be very hard to land the wires once it's in place. Still didn't have room for the railsounds board regardless.

Funny that a PS3/2 stacker board fits.

Bob

@pault posted:

Thanks! The Disney forum I read is below. It mentions needing a new worm gear but the motor that came fit just fine in this blue stripe monorail set, I just pulled it off the old motor worm gear and slid it onto the shaft of the new motor. The motor itself, I couldn't find the one they talk about due to age of the post but I found its newer model. Cant beat $8 from Amazon, its one of cheapest train board upgrades I have ever done! Simple solder job. I tested it with the AA batteries before putting the monorail engine back together.

Forum - https://forums.wdwmagic.com/th...motor-thread.667834/

Amazon Motor Link - https://a.co/d/9dtqSZa

I originally liked the Blue Stripe Disney monorail because except for a very small WDW logo, you have no idea its Disney unless you run the monorail with sound. I don't because the sound of my trains in the basement is borderline deafening. For my trains to run underneath the monorail, I cut a 2X4 into 4 inch sections and bought some small bricks off of Amazon. The wife helped me glue all the bricks onto the blocks. I have to make them pretty with some moss or something else somewhere down the line but I love that one of my train lines goes under the monorail.

Sorry if I'm not allowed to post external links. Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules.

Thanks very much - I will check it out.

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@pault, I would love to see your "brick piers".

Here you go. It may not have been the prettiest approach but it worked for me so far and it got the monorail higher which is what I wanted. I liked how they turned out even if they probably wouldn't pass any government inspections. The bricks break apart, sometimes just crumble, when putting some pressure on them either by hand or with two pliers. They DO make your hands wildly filthy.

Bricks from Amazon - https://a.co/d/9mPjhcF

If anyone is curious, the fencing is from Hobby Lobby in the fairy aisle near all the fake plants and moss packages.

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@pault, MArk said it already, the piers look great.  Thanks for the link, we got some new building materials.

Thanks I appreciate it. Took a summer break on the layout with all the house projects (but still buying trains). Getting back into it with the weather slowing turning and the train shows coming back full swing.

i have the lionel Balloon ride accessory to figure out how to hook up this coming week. Looking forward to seeing that work.

I have been away from the bench and layout much of the past month.    My most recent project of repainting four MTH club cars (Sorry MTH) is nearing completion.    Cars transitioned: 1998 MTH Charter Member box car, 1999 RailKing crane car & 2000 crane tender plus the 2001 auto transport are all being assigned to the Duluth Missabe & Iron Range Railroad.    The box car is in final color and awaiting decals which are on order.    

I use SCALECOAT II Wash Away to soften and remove original markings.   I found that soaking a piece of paper towel with the solution and laying it on the original markings aided the removal.

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Wiping with paper towel and a Q-tip did a sufficient job to ready the car for primer.   I did cut away many cast-in details and added my own wire steps and ladders to some of the cars.   Soap, water and a toothbrush completed the process.

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After an overnight dry, I primed and applied coats of finish color. In the case of two colors, I paint the lighter yellow color first.    I do not mask for the second color until several days of cure.    After masking I sprayed a coat of yellow on the margins of the tape to reduce bleeding of the darker color.    Within the hour, I apply the finial color and allow a 24 hour cure before removing the masking tape.    I gloss coated the areas that receive decals followed by a coat of Dullcote over the entire model after the decals are set and dried.     Lucky to find approbate rattle can colors for this project.    Some decals were from K4 and some were printed on my home computer.      

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Cheers, Dave

PS:   Mike G:   I dedicate this post to you since you asked for more detail.   I assume that much of what's mentioned here is standard procedure for those who enjoy custom painting.    Also great to see you back in a train room!!    Wonderful start!!    What are your plans for the ceiling and what about heating and Air?    Inquiring minds need to know!   Thanks!

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Lubed my Lionel Legacy SW-1200. These are single-motor engines with shaft drives. The universals and gearing make quite a bit of noise which gets more noticeable over time.  Mine started to trip the motor overload so it was due for a trip to the shops.
Not a big fan of this drive system even though these will really crawl.  Twin can motors are much better.

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@RSJB18 posted:

Twin can motors are much better.

Them's fightin' words!    Just kidding Bob, to each his or her own.  But please consider, 2-railers have used drop-down gear towers with shaft drive and individual axle gearboxes for YEARS; that's the standard approach in 2-rail O scale.  Drives from the better makes such as Overland, Central Locomotive Works (CLW) and Weaver are plenty smooth and quiet.  Some of them run on museum layouts for hours a day.  All of 3rd Rail's recent diesels use this type of drive.

A horizontal drive allows a larger motor, larger flywheel(s), easy customizability of the gear ratio, no issues with the two motors starting at different voltages, the potential to have some equalization of the truck for improved operation on uneven track, etc.  It even facilitates a fully-detailed cab!

IMO there's nothing wrong with the fundamental design of the drive.  I think what we have here is possibly another case like the L1 Mikados, where Lionel's execution (engineering tolerances, choice of materials, lack of factory lubrication, etc.) wasn't perfect.  I hope Lionel sticks with this design and improves it to the point of being bullet-proof.  I also hope you're able to get yours sorted out and running to your satisfaction.  Thanks for sharing!

@Ted S posted:

Them's fightin' words!    Just kidding Bob, to each his or her own.  But please consider, 2-railers have used drop-down gear towers with shaft drive and individual axle gearboxes for YEARS; that's the standard approach in 2-rail O scale.  Drives from the better makes such as Overland, Central Locomotive Works (CLW) and Weaver are plenty smooth and quiet.  Some of them run on museum layouts for hours a day.  All of 3rd Rail's recent diesels use this type of drive.

A horizontal drive allows a larger motor, larger flywheel(s), easy customizability of the gear ratio, no issues with the two motors starting at different voltages, the potential to have some equalization of the truck for improved operation on uneven track, etc.  It even facilitates a fully-detailed cab!

IMO there's nothing wrong with the fundamental design of the drive.  I think what we have here is possibly another case like the L1 Mikados, where Lionel's execution (engineering tolerances, choice of materials, lack of factory lubrication, etc.) wasn't perfect.  I hope Lionel sticks with this design and improves it to the point of being bullet-proof.  I also hope you're able to get yours sorted out and running to your satisfaction.  Thanks for sharing!

Not putting the drive line down Ted. Just Lionel's execution of it.

I should add that I bought this engine used and found that the gearboxes were bone dry. I don't know how much run time it had with no grease but it did look like the gears had some premature wear. I probably should drop the trucks and top them off again.
I agree that the lack of can motors allows for a full cab, especially on these short SW units.

As I said, it can crawl at very low speed steps so I do see the attraction of this system.

Bob

I decided to jump into another engine upgrade. My S2 is on hold while Lionel inspects the Flyerchief board they sent me. The motor output gets full voltage, with no speed control.
I'm putting a FC board into a BEEP. I have a board for a Great Northern GP-7 so the sounds will be appropriate.  I'm going to use this as a base engine that I can swap the shells on to. I'm using a Penn Central model and will be upgrading the lighting to LED's and adding sound. FC boards include electro-couplers so I'll be adding them as well.
I have several other BEEPs including extra shells that I can add the same LED's and speaker to and just plug and play.

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Morning guys, nothing from me today, but I do want to comment if that is ok! LOL

@pault Paul nice job on the monorail! Things like weathering will come, don't rush it as there is going to be folks here to help along the way!

@darlander Dave thanks for the painting tips! You have done an amazing work with the autos and box car! I know I am going to need the info in the future and I have an MTH crane and crane car in purple that will need repainted! Sorry MTH I got a screaming deal on them! LOL

As for the train room, after talking with some locals here I plan on a 2x4 truss 16" O.C. non faced insulation and sheet rock, I plan on either 6 hanging dimmable hanging shop lights or 6 can lights. Not sure yet, as for the heat and A.C. I plan on getting a mini split for that and a small dehumidifier for the summer and a humidifier for during the winter!

@RSJB18 Bob, your first engine sound like an easy fix with a little lubricant, now the second one is over my head and sfter watching your video of a nice smooth-running engine I wonder to myself how is he going to fit all that stuff back under such a small cover! LOL I wish you the best of luck!

I hope your all having a wonderful weekend!

So this Williams Century Limited observation car arrived Friday.

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It wasn't the Weaver observation car I was looking for but for $10.50 from eBay it was close enough.

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Comparing it to a Weaver car the bodies appear to be from the same molds.  So close enough wouldn't be good enough and a future trip to the workbench would be inevitable.  I figured with a little black pant on the roof and some pin stripe tape to match the Weaver striping this car would complete my Advance Section of the 20th Century Limited.  I had my portable paint booth out yesterday doing some work for my wife so that future trip to the work bench turned into now.  I hadn't taken one of these aluminum cars apart in a long time, if ever, so what I thought would be quick roof removal turned into a total tear down and low and behold the roof isn't a separate piece, so no quick Saturday afternoon Step 1 in the transformation painted roof.  Instead it's a full blown work bench project on top of the 20-30 or so I've already got.IMG_3763

To paint the roof I'll have to mask off the sides and hit it with some rattle can satin black.  For the striping I hoped some auto pinstriping would work.  What I have on hand is a bit too wide.  I think 1/16" is what I need.  I notice the NEW YORK CENTRAL and CENTURY are not, painted, pad printed or decals but stickers, white lettering on gray background, that run the entire length of the car.  It appears that the panels under these stickers are painted like the rest of the car.  I do have some NEW YORK CENTRAL decals that are close to the Weaver cars, so I'm thinking of peeling the stickers off and using those decals.  Has anyone here ever peeled these stickers off a Williams car?  Any recommendations would be appreciated.  So I believe my game plan for the body work is:

1.Remove silhouettes

2. Remove NYC stickers, clean any residue.  Hopefully the Century stickers are not damaged while cleaning any residue.

3. Mask off roof.  Clean roof with alcohol wipes. Paint roof

4. Add NYC decals

5. Clear coat

6. Add pinstripe tape

7. Reinstall silhouettes

Before re-assembly I plan to do some mechanical work.  The trucks and the coupler are looser than the Weaver so the observation car rocks more and the coupler hangs a bit lower.  I will try using some C clips to fill the spaces and tighten this up some.  I don't really want to start drilling out rivets and replacing them.  I'll replace the two incandescent bulbs with some LED bulbs I purchased from Town and Country Hobbies years ago.  and put some of that shiny aluminum duct tape on the roof interior to help spread the light.

I even have a 20TH Century LTD "drumhead" on the way.  Hopefully it fits.

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This was a very small project.  I saw a boxcar on the forum with a load of auto frames, and went out and bought the only car on eBay that had one.  I posted about it here.  I also liked that it had a route map on the side.  I try to buy more PRR cars than other road names, so I wanted to add an auto frame load to this PRR boxcar I recently bought.  There weren't many auto frame loads on eBay, but I did find one that I was able to get for a decent price.  Rather than securing it with elastic tie downs like the UPR one had, I saw that the auto frames sit on top of one another with a small plastic piece fitting into a hole in the frame below.  The bottom frame has those plastic things extending out, so I drilled some holes in the base of the car and used transparent scenic glue to keep them in place.  The picture below shows the final product.

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@mike g. posted:

Morning guys, nothing from me today, but I do want to comment if that is ok! LOL

@pault Paul nice job on the monorail! Things like weathering will come, don't rush it as there is going to be folks here to help along the way!

@darlander Dave thanks for the painting tips! You have done an amazing work with the autos and box car! I know I am going to need the info in the future and I have an MTH crane and crane car in purple that will need repainted! Sorry MTH I got a screaming deal on them! LOL

As for the train room, after talking with some locals here I plan on a 2x4 truss 16" O.C. non faced insulation and sheet rock, I plan on either 6 hanging dimmable hanging shop lights or 6 can lights. Not sure yet, as for the heat and A.C. I plan on getting a mini split for that and a small dehumidifier for the summer and a humidifier for during the winter!

@RSJB18 Bob, your first engine sound like an easy fix with a little lubricant, now the second one is over my head and sfter watching your video of a nice smooth-running engine I wonder to myself how is he going to fit all that stuff back under such a small cover! LOL I wish you the best of luck!

I hope your all having a wonderful weekend!

Mike, we have mini splits and we’re very happy with their efficiency. In the train room, since the ceiling was open during , the indoor unit was installed in the ceiling instead of the typical wall unit. I wanted this so that it wouldn’t interfere with the way I wanted to paint the walls , F-H cloudless, and any subsequent backdrop.

Jay

@Tranquil Hollow RR,

That is certainly one possibility. When I was a kid in the 60s my father took us to a tour of a GM plant in an area I believe is West Mifflin, a suburb of Pittsburgh. To me the plant seemed huge. I recall seeing sheets of metal being moved around the floor to pressing machines. I don’t recall much else, although I still have a souvenir bookmark from there. I don’t think they were doing the assembly there but am not sure.  It was also close to some rail lines. One was used to dump hot slag (?) on a big hill. When we drove by there in the evening and they were doing a dump, you could see the red hot stuff coming down. The hill was all slag, no vegetation.

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While this project is still down the list of what's on the workbench that didn't stop me from making a trip to the local auto parts stores in search of the proper pinstriping tape.  I'll need 1/16" blue and 1/16" white the help transform this Williams observation into a suitable end to a Weaver Limited.

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Well no luck in the pinstripe department.  Blue and white must not be popular in the Myrtle Beach area.  Beyond lack of proper color the thinnest stripe I've come across is 1/8", twice as wide as needed.  I  do have an old roll of blue double stripe tape.  The thinner stripe may work, I can't tell if it's too thin.  The thought of separating 4+ feet of the thin stipe from the second blue and white stripe is daunting. and even if I accomplish that the two white stripes in the window band are still too thin to match the Weaver.  Recently Peter, @Putnam Division, came across some 1/16" tape on Amazon that he is using for pavement markings.  I took a quick look and the 1/16" comes in a 4 pack of different widths which I don't need and the blue tape shown appears to be a very light blue, like painters tape blue.

Here's where things get a little interesting.  While researching another project, even further down the workbench, see why it takes me so long to finish these projects, I'm always looking 5-6 down the bench, I came across a NYCHS article about painting The Limited.  It appears the Weaver cars are dressed in the original Henry Dreyfus designed paint scheme, with Opex Blue stripes separating the dark gray window panel from the light gray side panels and two wide aluminum, yes aluminum not white, stripes running the length of the window panel.  All stripes and lettering were outlined in black to provide additional contrast.  Equipment for the Limited was painted this way in 1938and 1939.  The scheme was revised, replacing the Opex Blue stripes with aluminum and using two thinner aluminum stripes running the length of the window panel, much like the Williams car.  My quandary is now, do I continue to pursue the proper pinstripes to match the Weaver cars or does my advance section of the 20TH Century Limited leave Metro Terminal with a 1940+ observation car bringing up the rear of  a train of 1938 equipment.  Of course the roof still needs to be painted black and the New York Central sticker would need to be replace with a more appropriate font.

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While this project is still down the list of what's on the workbench that didn't stop me from making a trip to the local auto parts stores in search of the proper pinstriping tape.  I'll need 1/16" blue and 1/16" white the help transform this Williams observation into a suitable end to a Weaver Limited.



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Well no luck in the pinstripe department.  Blue and white must not be popular in the Myrtle Beach area.  Beyond lack of proper color the thinnest stripe I've come across is 1/8", twice as wide as needed.  I  do have an old roll of blue double stripe tape.  The thinner stripe may work, I can't tell if it's too thin.  The thought of separating 4+ feet of the thin stipe from the second blue and white stripe is daunting. and even if I accomplish that the two white stripes in the window band are still too thin to match the Weaver.  Recently Peter, @Putnam Division, came across some 1/16" tape on Amazon that he is using for pavement markings.  I took a quick look and the 1/16" comes in a 4 pack of different widths which I don't need and the blue tape shown appears to be a very light blue, like painters tape blue.

Here's where things get a little interesting.  While researching another project, even further down the workbench, see why it takes me so long to finish these projects, I'm always looking 5-6 down the bench, I came across a NYCHS article about painting The Limited.  It appears the Weaver cars are dressed in the original Henry Dreyfus designed paint scheme, with Opex Blue stripes separating the dark gray window panel from the light gray side panels and two wide aluminum, yes aluminum not white, stripes running the length of the window panel.  All stripes and lettering were outlined in black to provide additional contrast.  Equipment for the Limited was painted this way in 1938and 1939.  The scheme was revised, replacing the Opex Blue stripes with aluminum and using two thinner aluminum stripes running the length of the window panel, much like the Williams car.  My quandary is now, do I continue to pursue the proper pinstripes to match the Weaver cars or does my advance section of the 20TH Century Limited leave Metro Terminal with a 1940+ observation car bringing up the rear of  a train of 1938 equipment.  Of course the roof still needs to be painted black and the New York Central sticker would need to be replace with a more appropriate font.

Joe- I'm sure the NYC purists would object but I think a "new" observation car behind the rest of the train would be fine. Just fix the lettering and paint the roof.

Bob

Ah, the easy way.  I like the thought of that.  Once I'm done masking, painting, peeling the Name Plate sticker and applying decals I'll see if I've got anything left for slice the two stripe blue pinstripe tape.  If not, 1940 bringing up the rear of 1938.  If so I'll give it a try and see how far I get.  Not sure about the white (aluminum) stripes in the window panel.

@coach joe posted:


While this project is still down the list of what's on the workbench that didn't stop me from making a trip to the local auto parts stores in search of the proper pinstriping tape.  I'll need 1/16" blue and 1/16" white the help transform this Williams observation into a suitable end to a Weaver Limited.





Well no luck in the pinstripe department.  Blue and white must not be popular in the Myrtle Beach area.  Beyond lack of proper color the thinnest stripe I've come across is 1/8", twice as wide as needed.  I  do have an old roll of blue double stripe tape.  The thinner stripe may work, I can't tell if it's too thin.  The thought of separating 4+ feet of the thin stipe from the second blue and white stripe is daunting. and even if I accomplish that the two white stripes in the window band are still too thin to match the Weaver.  Recently Peter, @Putnam Division, came across some 1/16" tape on Amazon that he is using for pavement markings.  I took a quick look and the 1/16" comes in a 4 pack of different widths which I don't need and the blue tape shown appears to be a very light blue, like painters tape blue.

Here's where things get a little interesting.  While researching another project, even further down the workbench, see why it takes me so long to finish these projects, I'm always looking 5-6 down the bench, I came across a NYCHS article about painting The Limited.  It appears the Weaver cars are dressed in the original Henry Dreyfus designed paint scheme, with Opex Blue stripes separating the dark gray window panel from the light gray side panels and two wide aluminum, yes aluminum not white, stripes running the length of the window panel.  All stripes and lettering were outlined in black to provide additional contrast.  Equipment for the Limited was painted this way in 1938and 1939.  The scheme was revised, replacing the Opex Blue stripes with aluminum and using two thinner aluminum stripes running the length of the window panel, much like the Williams car.  My quandary is now, do I continue to pursue the proper pinstripes to match the Weaver cars or does my advance section of the 20TH Century Limited leave Metro Terminal with a 1940+ observation car bringing up the rear of  a train of 1938 equipment.  Of course the roof still needs to be painted black and the New York Central sticker would need to be replace with a more appropriate font.

Here is the 1/16” yellow tape I found on Amazon……

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……and, the link……

https://www.amazon.com/DOAY-Pa...Caps%2C79&sr=8-1

Peter

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@mike g. posted:

As for the train room, after talking with some locals here I plan on a 2x4 truss 16" O.C. non faced insulation and sheet rock, I plan on either 6 hanging dimmable hanging shop lights or 6 can lights. Not sure yet, as for the heat and A.C. I plan on getting a mini split for that and a small dehumidifier for the summer and a humidifier for during the winter!

******

Mike as a life long midwesterner I would hold off on the humidifier and see if you really need it. They can be more trouble than they are worth with things like moisture inside the windows.

Thumbs up on the dehumidifier and mini split.

An FYI post - I am sure that most of you who have contemplated the Wms PA know this already.

Why Williams Alco PA's never look "quite right":

I used to think, at a glance, that the fuel tank was too short (and too shallow, which it is; easy fix). No, the tank's length is just fine - Wms put the trucks in the wrong place on the chassis, which is a whole bunch harder to fix, though I do plan to do it one day to my custom-painted GM&O PA's (painted by someone else; later corrected and weathered by me). The wheelbase is too long, by about an inch.

The early TMCC Lionel PA (great loco) below is correct. Note the length of both tanks and both bodies. All correct. But those Wms trucks (better-looking than the Lionel's, by a bit) are mounted too far outboard.

Swing and a miss. Sigh.

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@coach joe posted:

While this project is still down the list of what's on the workbench that didn't stop me from making a trip to the local auto parts stores in search of the proper pinstriping tape.  I'll need 1/16" blue and 1/16" white the help transform this Williams observation into a suitable end to a Weaver Limited.

IMG_3051

Well no luck in the pinstripe department.  Blue and white must not be popular in the Myrtle Beach area.  Beyond lack of proper color the thinnest stripe I've come across is 1/8", twice as wide as needed.  I  do have an old roll of blue double stripe tape.  The thinner stripe may work, I can't tell if it's too thin.  The thought of separating 4+ feet of the thin stipe from the second blue and white stripe is daunting. and even if I accomplish that the two white stripes in the window band are still too thin to match the Weaver.  Recently Peter, @Putnam Division, came across some 1/16" tape on Amazon that he is using for pavement markings.  I took a quick look and the 1/16" comes in a 4 pack of different widths which I don't need and the blue tape shown appears to be a very light blue, like painters tape blue.

Here's where things get a little interesting.  While researching another project, even further down the workbench, see why it takes me so long to finish these projects, I'm always looking 5-6 down the bench, I came across a NYCHS article about painting The Limited.  It appears the Weaver cars are dressed in the original Henry Dreyfus designed paint scheme, with Opex Blue stripes separating the dark gray window panel from the light gray side panels and two wide aluminum, yes aluminum not white, stripes running the length of the window panel.  All stripes and lettering were outlined in black to provide additional contrast.  Equipment for the Limited was painted this way in 1938and 1939.  The scheme was revised, replacing the Opex Blue stripes with aluminum and using two thinner aluminum stripes running the length of the window panel, much like the Williams car.  My quandary is now, do I continue to pursue the proper pinstripes to match the Weaver cars or does my advance section of the 20TH Century Limited leave Metro Terminal with a 1940+ observation car bringing up the rear of  a train of 1938 equipment.  Of course the roof still needs to be painted black and the New York Central sticker would need to be replace with a more appropriate font.

I've hit another snag and this one is an even bigger issue than pinstripes.  My color blind eyes saw the darker roof of the Weaver cars as black, however, using lighted magnification, a closer inspection of the Weaver cars indicates the roofs are actually a dark gray that matches the dark gray window panels.  I doubt I'll find a rattle can to match.  The only way I can think of to obtain a match is the paint department of a big box store.  Then I would have a latex paint and application becomes a big problem.  I don't think a brush application would work and I don't know if latex would work in my air brush. Oh by the way I haven't used the air brush in years.  Any ideas?

20221111_075906                                                                                                   Hi Coach you can always look up Scalecoat model paints. I got perfect match from them for my BNSF engine!

Scalecoat Paint Color Chart - Search Images (bing.com)

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@coach joe posted:

I've hit another snag and this one is an even bigger issue than pinstripes.  My color blind eyes saw the darker roof of the Weaver cars as black, however, using lighted magnification, a closer inspection of the Weaver cars indicates the roofs are actually a dark gray that matches the dark gray window panels.  I doubt I'll find a rattle can to match.  The only way I can think of to obtain a match is the paint department of a big box store.  Then I would have a latex paint and application becomes a big problem.  I don't think a brush application would work and I don't know if latex would work in my air brush. Oh by the way I haven't used the air brush in years.  Any ideas?

Hey coach Joe, I just looked at their paint color chart and in the 3rd over from the left and up 6 from the bottom is says NYC Dark Gray!Scalecoat Paint Color Chart

I have use them in my cheap sprayer!

Good luck!

P.S. I hope I am ok with posting this chart. If not I am truly sorry for any violation.

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Mike, I use to paint everything with Scalecoat. Great paint. But unfortunately they went out of business about 3 years ago. You may find some old stock still out there.

Coach Joe, you might want to checkout True Color paint. They should have the NYC colors. If you have a local hobby shop. Many carry Tamiya paint. You may be able to come up with a gray that’s close. By adding a bit of black you should be able to come up with a match. Both brands spray well through an airbrush.

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