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Had trouble with certain engines coupling with cars on straight sections AND curves .

I began replacing MTH, Lionel and Williams fixed couplers with the MTH articulated couplers .......END of troubles.

This was the last one at the time that I had done sometime ago.  It was a Lionel gondola scrap car.  I had to insert washers with the screws to limit movement of the screws in the trucks . I applied some Locktite Blue to limit screw movement on the washers.

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Have a great weekend at the WORKBENCH.  God speed.

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@Trussman posted:

Did a little more detailing and lettering on my mow car. Might consider painting the window trim.

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Love it Trussman .

Doing these are a lot of fun.

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I  bought a cheap spotlight car on the Bay. .......disappointed  ......but I used it for parts on my old one.       I attached magnets on the bottom of this one and decided to have some fun with it.  I added pieces to it and I added a shack instead of removing material as you did .     You have some really neat and looking pieces  on yours. 

Not sure how this will play out but I know I have to get some decals for a road name .

HAVE A BALL sir......God bless.

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@Ed Samsen posted:

A great looking tender for a Baby Hudson 2046 2056 646 is take a pre-war 2224W  and put a set of postwar 6 wheel trucks under it.  Make sure it has a cast metal whistle in it.  It has applied steps, 6 wheel trucks and the good whistle

I've taken a 2226W tender and put a postwar drawbar on it.  That gives me a tender that'll allow Hudsons and Berkshires to haul 2800 series freight cars and prewar passenger cars.

Just got this one off the bench (actually a TV tray I use while I'm still trying to put my garage together). I have a UP Excursion set that I bought specifically to use with my Heritage Units and Big Boy -- all of which have scale wheels and Kadees. Eventually I'd like to convert all ten cars to scale wheels and Kadees, but the Station Sounds Diner and the generator car may be problematic because they have sensors, so converting the Generator Car to a transition car was the path of least resistance for now.

I have to give Lionel some credit on how they did these cars as it wasn't hard to get this one apart. The kinematic coupler plate is easily removed using the four mounting screws, though getting the spring off the truck was interesting. The Kadee mounting holes are apparently tapped for 2-56 screws, but I used silicone cement to hold a 2-56x1/2" screw in the center to better stabilize the shims. I needed to use a total of seven Micro-Mark shims to get the height right (one cut down to fill a gap between the chassis and the car's end sill. I'm pretty sure  that at least four shims would be required if you used 36" scale wheels in the conversion. Use Kadee #746 Long-Shank Center set couplers.

Kadee End.

In the opening in the truck, you can just make out the pivot Lionel uses for their passenger cars. It causes the car to shift toward the inside of the curve on sharper (O-72 and O-54) curves. The long-shank coupler should give it enough swing to get through the O-81 curves at P&P.

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Love it Trussman .

Doing these are a lot of fun.

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I  bought a cheap spotlight car on the Bay. .......disappointed  ......but I used it for parts on my old one.       I attached magnets on the bottom of this one and decided to have some fun with it.  I added pieces to it and I added a shack instead of removing material as you did .     You have some really neat and looking pieces  on yours.

Not sure how this will play out but I know I have to get some decals for a road name .

HAVE A BALL sir......God bless.

Looks good, alot going on for what can be used for track repair.

I used Woodlands Scenics  white roman dry transfer letters for the road name on my mow..

After gathering up parts I finally started on my Rutland 4-8-2. Settling for a few basic trademark details to make it look a little more like the prototype. Starting with a NH Mountain from the early 2000’s. Engine features a Pittman so it will be a good runner. I made a cover out of brass that covers up some detailed piping on the factory model. I removed the air pump that resided between the running boards and filled that in with some brass stock. I added 2 long grab irons just above the cab windows. The engine was one of my early weathering projects. Paint will be all touched up and white striping will be added on the running boards edge.
I needed a pilot that featured air pumps. I cut and made up a bracket to mount one from a Berkshire. Some brass screening was added between the 2 shields. A trailing truck from a Blue Comet was also added.

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This was a pretty easy project.  I bought a Lionel 17302 Boxcar with an ETD.  I was unimpressed with the plastic collector assembly, and the ETD light was a weird color (IMHO).  The cheap plastic collector didn't really hold the center rail well, so the light was flickering a lot.  I took the thing apart and rebuilt the innards.  The purple box shows the wires coming out of the collector and ground.  I replaced the original wires with some Kynar wire, and tried to make the collector a little more responsive.  The green box shows the output terminals for a small on/off switch I put in, and is easily activated from the underside.  The yellow box shows some weights I added to make the car a bit heavier.  The red box shows the LED lighting regulator I bought from Hennings.  That is the key to making the light less 'flickery'.  It is sitting in the modified housing that held a small PCB to make the factory installed LED blink.  I ran the Evans blinking red LED (grey box) from the lighting regulator through the ETD hole.  The ETD (white box) was removed and I have it sitting on the roof.  I drilled out the factory light that was in it, and will use CA to glue in the red LED.  It is super bright.  I will reattach the ETD to the shell, put the shell back on, and chalk up another successful project!

UPDATE:

After putting the ETD back, I noticed there was some light bleed around the back.  I filled the space inside the ETD, around the LED bulb, with some cotton swabs and painted the fluff that was exposed black, to match the unit.  Also, I had to do a lot more work on the poorly designed collector assembly so that it made better contact with the center rail.  I will never buy another car with this type of collector.



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I've had a beater 2328 Burlington GP7 since I was a kid. I think I paid $45 for it at a show in the late 1990s. I repainted it to Santa Fe zebra stripes when I was about 11 years old. It's been kicking around so I decided to give it a make over. I repainted/decaled it, swapped out the postwar plastic fuel tank for a larger modern diecast tank, installed an ERR AC Commander, Railsounds Commander, and all LED lighting. Way over upgraded, but what the ****. I've had it probably close to 25 years.

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I've had a beater 2328 Burlington GP7 since I was a kid. I think I paid $45 for it at a show in the late 1990s. I repainted it to Santa Fe zebra stripes when I was about 11 years old. It's been kicking around so I decided to give it a make over. I repainted/decaled it, swapped out the postwar plastic fuel tank for a larger modern diecast tank, installed an ERR AC Commander, Railsounds Commander, and all LED lighting. Way over upgraded, but what the ****. I've had it probably close to 25 years.

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Worth the investment IMHO.

Nice work Lou.

Bob

Amazing how little time I seem to now have after picking a retirement date and going on 3 months of vacation. Not sure where all the time is going. This project is quite literally what is on the workbench.  All the work, assembly and painting was done in my garage. Its only on the workbench to support it prior to hanging on the wall.  Finally a place to have trains out of boxes where my grand kids, visitors and family can see the rolling stock - me too BTW.

Not happy at all with the primer and the paint not sticking well to the primer coat. I think it will be quicker and easier to rebuild the entire thing than re-prime and re-paint. I'll hang this and live with it for a while before deciding on the next step.  Overall dimensions are 10 feet wide, 4 feet tall and 4 inches deep. Wood is decent 1x4 pine stock. Spacing between shelves is 5 1/2 inches.  I milled track grooves to allow the flanges to ride into the shelves.  80 linear feet of display - now to put rolling stock and engines up there.



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@ScoutingDad posted:

Amazing how little time I seem to now have after picking a retirement date and going on 3 months of vacation. Not sure where all the time is going. This project is quite literally what is on the workbench.  All the work, assembly and painting was done in my garage. Its only on the workbench to support it prior to hanging on the wall.  Finally a place to have trains out of boxes where my grand kids, visitors and family can see the rolling stock - me too BTW.

Not happy at all with the primer and the paint not sticking well to the primer coat. I think it will be quicker and easier to rebuild the entire thing than re-prime and re-paint. I'll hang this and live with it for a while before deciding on the next step.  Overall dimensions are 10 feet wide, 4 feet tall and 4 inches deep. Wood is decent 1x4 pine stock. Spacing between shelves is 5 1/2 inches.  I milled track grooves to allow the flanges to ride into the shelves.  80 linear feet of display - now to put rolling stock and engines up there.



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Is your disappointment in the paint b/c you can see the wood grain?

Also, do your vertical pieces coincide with your studs?

@Berkshire President  The supports are lined up with the studs so I will be fixing them into a solid base.

Regarding the paint. It is similar to trying to paint over an existing high gloss finish or putting oil base over water base. The coating looks great going on, but the surface tension is such that the paint pulls away from the surface leaving gaps in the coating. Second coat does the same thing. I think the water based coating was not compatible with the base. 

Looks ok on the photo but not so much close up. Really, with the shelves loaded with cars, only I would know its there.

I'm finally going to start building my pair of MTH ALCO S2's. I bought both on one of the last Cabin Fever MTH auctions. One engine is a complete dummy (NYC) and the other has most of it's parts, but no shell. The original plan was to build a powered unit and a dummy. As with most things, plans change and I'm now going to build both as powered engines.

I pulled the "more complete" unit out of the box last night to take a closer look at what I have/ need.
The haves- motors, wiring harnesses, lights, etc. I tested the motors and both work.

The needs- boards, speaker, new BCR, smoke unit (optional)

This engine is a PS2- 3V so at least I'm starting off on the right foot. I'm OK with keeping it PS2, especially since PS3 diesel kits are MIA. If I can find the boards, it should go together pretty quickly since all the wiring harnesses are there.

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This engine started life as a SOO, it has been sold to the Lehigh and New England

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As fate would have it, Beth at Public Delivery recently announced a L&NE custom RS3, which is on pre-order.....

The other engine is a New York Central. This one is just a frame and shell. I picked up a pair of motors from a forum member. Since this is a ground up build, I'll go with ERR Cruise M boards and add my own lighting.

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And now the adventure begins.....

Bob

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I'm finally going to start building my pair of MTH ALCO S2's. I bought both on one of the last Cabin Fever MTH auctions. One engine is a complete dummy (NYC) and the other has most of it's parts, but no shell. The original plan was to build a powered unit and a dummy. As with most things, plans change and I'm now going to build both as powered engines.

I pulled the "more complete" unit out of the box last night to take a closer look at what I have/ need.
The haves- motors, wiring harnesses, lights, etc. I tested the motors and both work.

The needs- boards, speaker, new BCR, smoke unit (optional)

This engine is a PS2- 3V so at least I'm starting off on the right foot. I'm OK with keeping it PS2, especially since PS3 diesel kits are MIA. If I can find the boards, it should go together pretty quickly since all the wiring harnesses are there.

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This engine started life as a SOO, it has been sold to the Lehigh and New England



PS32 board with 3V connectors (currently available from MTH parts) would be an almost drop in replacement. You can load it with a PS3 sound file as well for updated sounds.



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@Lou1985 posted:

PS32 board with 3V connectors (currently available from MTH parts) would be an almost drop in replacement. You can load it with a PS3 sound file as well for updated sounds.



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Thanks Lou. I don't have a TIU, I use a remote commander. If these boards aren't programmed, I assume I will need to find a local shop/ train friend who can do it for me. Correct?

@RSJB18 posted:

I'm finally going to start building my pair of MTH ALCO S2's. I bought both on one of the last Cabin Fever MTH auctions. One engine is a complete dummy (NYC) and the other has most of it's parts, but no shell. The original plan was to build a powered unit and a dummy. As with most things, plans change and I'm now going to build both as powered engines.

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And now the adventure begins.....

Bob

Bob, I presume that the work will be done at the Pen Argyl Shop.  It's good to know that there are a few other L&NE fans out there!  I can't wait to see progress reports.

Bob, I presume that the work will be done at the Pen Argyl Shop.  It's good to know that there are a few other L&NE fans out there!  I can't wait to see progress reports.

As mentioned previously, this engine didn't arrive with a shell. I was looking for a suitable shell and thought the red dot in the L&NE logo would go well with the SOO chassis, and save having to repaint it. The reds are close enough for gov't work. Doing some research, the L&NE did own # 612 along with several other S2's.
Since I run north east roads, these will fit in just fine.

Thanks

For quite some time I wanted to make a chain link fence for my layout.

A few weeks ago I bought metal screen, and last week went to Hobby Lobby, bought a couple packs of 1/16" brass rods.

Cut the metal screen into 1 1/4" sections, cut the brass rods to length and height, soldered them together and painted grey. Wire tied the screen to the fence frame. Placed the fence around the motorcycle shop.





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Received the PS3/2 stacker boards and related parts from MTH yesterday. I had just ordered them on Sunday and they shipped right out. After I placed the order (boards and speaker), I realized that a new heatsink kit was required as well. I wrote to customer service and they were nice enough to waive the second shipping charge and add it to the same order.

I ordered the spec'd 40mm speaker but it doesn't fit in the fuel tank. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Added the MTH DDA40X to the roster. It came to me as a PS/1 with a dead board. Since I don't run conventional anyway, I upgraded it to Lionel Legacy. Other than the power wires from the pickups, all the wiring is hand assembled, I can tell you there's a lot of wires in a full Legacy upgrade! The shell was a bit whacked up, so those repairs came first, fixing all the mounting posts, removing several internal braces that prevented the installation, and fixing a large chip in the nose. The closest sound board I could find for Legacy was the DD35A. I reasoned that one is pretty close prime mover sounds to the DDA40X. The existing smoke units were converted to be Legacy compatible, and the spring contacts were used to supply all the new LED lighting in the shell. One interesting hitch was the narrow body had trouble fitting the Legacy encoder board on the rear motor. I rounded the corners of the board so the trucks could swivel enough to make my O72 curves without binding. This one certainly won't run on anything smaller than O72! I'd have put the motor on the front motor, but it had the same issue being in the narrow part of the body as well, so I opted for the better performance controlling the rear motor.

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Added the MTH DDA40X to the roster. It came to me as a PS/1 with a dead board. Since I don't run conventional anyway, I upgraded it to Lionel Legacy. Other than the power wires from the pickups, all the wiring is hand assembled, I can tell you there's a lot of wires in a full Legacy upgrade! The shell was a bit whacked up, so those repairs came first, fixing all the ,mounting posts, removing several internal braces that prevented the installation, and fixing a large chip in the nose. The closest sound board I could find for Legacy was the DD35A. I reasoned that one is pretty close prime mover sounds to the DDA40X. The existing smoke units were converted to be Legacy compatible, and the spring contacts were used to supply all the new LED lighting in the shell. One interesting hitch was the narrow body had trouble fitting the Legacy encoder board on the rear motor. I rounded the corners of the board so the trucks could swivel enough to make my O72 curves without binding. This one certainly won't run on anything smaller than O72! I'd have put the motor on the front motor, but it had the same issue being in the narrow part of the body as well, so I opted for the better performance controlling the rear motor.

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Very impressive John. Full Legacy, dual smoke units too. Can't wait to see the test runs.
Bob

Bob, I suspect you need a flat 4 ohm speaker, many are too tall for the skinny tank space.  Here's a list of 40mm speakers, see if you find one that's thin enough to fit in the tank.

I actually found a 28mm speaker that is spec'd for these units. I missed it on the parts list when I looked the first time. I measured the tank and thought the 40 would work.....oh well, it won't go to waste.

The bad part is now they are out of stock. Should have ordered it when I looked yesterday.

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@RSJB18 posted:

I actually found a 28mm speaker that is spec'd for these units. I missed it on the parts list when I looked the first time. I measured the tank and thought the 40 would work.....oh well, it won't go to waste.

The bad part is now they are out of stock. Should have ordered it when I looked yesterday.

Here's a whole list of 28mm 4 ohm speakers that have a maximum seated height of 1/4".

4 Ohm 28mm Speakers 2W to 4W

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Certainly doesn't disappoint John.

I think it's a keeper!  I've done a few Legacy diesel upgrades now, I have a Rock Island E8 A-B-A set that I've converted to Legacy, the A units are powered with sound and smoke, and the B-Unit got smoke and sound to make everything look like it is working.  With all three units with sound, it's an impressive sounding consist.

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It came with a horn and one power truck:

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So I gutted it and replaced the lionel trucks with a match set of K Line power trucks:

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Next will be command control and sound, will be using a Soundtrax Tsunami2  EMD decoder and a 50mm 8 ohm 3 watt speaker.

Should be a real workhorse when completed!

Update: Electronics installed with new LED headlight and 50mm speaker.

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In the vein of what’s no longer on the bench are my engines. I went through all of them and…

- Cleaned all wheels/center rollers with a dremel.

- Put in new batteries where appropriate

- Red and Tacky all engine and truck gears

- Light oiled all wheels/center rollers

- Fixed any suspect wiring

- Upgraded suspect speakers

- Installed new tires

- Put in new LEDs where needed

At an hour a day this took months to do. But I’m done and set for quite a while  😅

Here's the process of putting a smoke unit in an MTH dummy E8 B-Unit that was upgraded to Legacy.  I upgraded both powered A-Units to Legacy, so I figured I needed to do the B-Unit as well. I actually had a Legacy B-Unit with smoke that I stripped all the guts from so I could use them here.

Of course, the B-Unit never had smoke or sound, or anything for that matter.  First, I added pickups, easy because the trucks already had provisions for them.  Next I set about actually piping the smoke unit to the holes in the shell.

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JB-Weld to the rescue, I rigged a rod through the hole to align the brass tubing that would be my smoke stack connection.  Once the JB-Weld set, I removed the extra tubing.

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The holes obviously exactly matched the old Lionel smoke unit, it was also from an E8.  This smoke unit was used as a spacer for the second tube to get the positioning exact.

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I also used the RCMC from the Legacy E8, it was handy.

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Here's the smoke unit all mounted, works like a champ!

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Here's how it was mounted, the two threaded standoffs were screwed to the smoke unit mount, the smoke unit was positioned on the two stacks, then I just reached in and applied JB-Weld to hold the standoffs in place,  This allows the smoke unit to be removed for maintenance.

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@ScoutingDad posted:

@Berkshire President  The supports are lined up with the studs so I will be fixing them into a solid base.

Regarding the paint. It is similar to trying to paint over an existing high gloss finish or putting oil base over water base. The coating looks great going on, but the surface tension is such that the paint pulls away from the surface leaving gaps in the coating. Second coat does the same thing. I think the water based coating was not compatible with the base.

Looks ok on the photo but not so much close up. Really, with the shelves loaded with cars, only I would know its there.

If I remember right it works better using a oil base primer, letting it dry thoroughly, then using latex paint on top with wood. I think that's how I painted my house and garage back in the day when I could still do it.

Removing incadescent lighting from the new MTH passenger cars and installing LED light strips with the aid of GRJ's modules.20230701_110205I wasn't going to do any decorating in the cars but I decided to throw some paint in them.

Have a fun weekend all.

These modules are the best thing ever! They're easy to install, provide even lighting throughout the car (when used with LED light strips) and dramatically reduce amperage draw.

I've converted at least 15 passenger cars so far and they all look great!

The paint is a really good idea, makes a big difference.  I may have to get over my lazy streak and paint the interiors of some of my lighting upgrades.

" getterdone John. "

I agree about the difference .  I only painted the flat green floor and parts of the seats and I used a brush clear coating the original tan colors with a fast drying Krylon matte art fixative to knock down the plastic sheen.  The job went RELATIVELY fast without trying to do an open roof display exercise.

Have fun big J.

That’s a good idea Dallas. What was your painting method?

Jay

Painted the floors , walls and parts of the seats with Tamiya XF-5  flat green .   The green on the cap was too bright but the pgreen paint was perfect.

The seats were the original tan plastic.   I brushed  Krylon Matte permanent art fixative  on the tan seats ( sprayed into cup to use ) to knock down the plastic sheen.

The sky dome seating area side walls were done with painting a wide pin stripe type tape with the XF-5 green .  When i tried to slide the tape between the wall and seats it was difficult to stop it from sticking in the wrong place.                I brushed water on the wall and the back of the tape and was able to slide it into the position it needed to be in.  Took a Qtip and pressed the tape on the wall.

R-O-W brass Alco PA (actually an Alco PITA - because it was). 2 motors, ERR Cruise Commander.

Second shot, the Williams FA dummy "tender" - more AC hot/cold pickups and the TMCC antenna (see "brass" PA above). The two units are tethered.

The GM&O had 2 Alco road units that were painted in a solid red, rather than the more common 2-tone red with stripes. I really like this solid look, and I had a photo of each of them - the only known photos of them in their solid schemes, so far as I know.

The white numerals were correct with this scheme, oddly enough.

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These numerals should have been white too, apparently (just one B&W photo to go by), but my number set did not match the GM&O "744" standard as well as it did "291", so I went with the right numerals in the wrong color, rather than the other way around. The Dulux color was typical for GM&O diesel numbers in this era, anyway.

291 and 744 may have never run together - I don't know - but this seemed a good idea. I had the locos and the decals. FA's and PA's both pulled freight and passengers on the GM&O at points in their careers, so this MU'ing would do for either.

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R-O-W brass Alco PA (actually an Alco PITA - because it was). 2 motors, ERR Cruise Commander.

Second shot, the Williams FA dummy "tender" - more AC hot/cold pickups and the TMCC antenna (see "brass" PA above). The two units are tethered.

The GM&O had 2 Alco road units that were painted in a solid red, rather than the more common 2-tone red with stripes. I really like this solid look, and I had a photo of each of them - the only known photos of them in their solid schemes, so far as I know.

The white numerals were correct with this scheme, oddly enough.



These numerals should have been white too, apparently (just one B&W photo to go by), but my number set did not match the GM&O "744" standard as well as it did "291", so I went with the right numerals in the wrong color, rather than the other way around. The Dulux color was typical for GM&O diesel numbers in this era, anyway.

291 and 744 may have never run together - I don't know - but this seemed a good idea. I had the locos and the decals. FA's and PA's both pulled freight and passengers on the GM&O at points in their careers, so this MU'ing would do for either.



They look great D!…..nice work, …..as usual!…..

Pat

@D500 posted:

291 and 744 may have never run together - I don't know - but this seemed a good idea. I had the locos and the decals. FA's and PA's both pulled freight and passengers on the GM&O at points in their careers, so this MU'ing would do for either.

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Hey ' D '  ......I've always tried to make engines and consists consistant looking together but after watching numerous videos of engines running on specific roads there have been enough mixtures of even different road names pulling freight that I wasn't sure of which road video I was on.

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