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I'm sure many others have been in this situation. After years and many layouts at various homes, I think I finally figured out what my big layout problem is. I am "stuck" in an old mindset, and keep trying to build something with all the traps that "I'm used to".

I'm stuck in the box. Literally. I keep building 4 x 8 tables and putting them together, just like I remember when I was a kid. I'm constantly boxed in. This is by no means a small layout, as I am up to at least 13 of those surfaces connected, but I keep connecting the rectangles and stay disappointed with the results. No wonder. It finally dawned on me that as I look at the really nice layouts folks have posted so many pictures of, that the look has a lot to do with just using the wood you need under the tracks. Not the square look of tables, but rounded, custom cut bases that take care of the need and give the best look.

I guess I have that bad old habit that's more of a 50's post war kind of thinking. It depends on what you want in the end, because those traditional table looks are done very well is a lot of cases. It's just not where I want to be anymore, and it's time for some new thinking - to find my way out of the boxes. What I am learning in the process is that I just have a hard time thinking that way. I am a creature of habit, and keep repeating the same old things with the same old feelings of disappointment.

But as I thought about this, I get the sense that I can't be alone - hence this post, and my request for feedback to see what others have done to get out of the trap. I have mostly done perimiter layouts in previous homes. Build along the walls, going all the way around. It works, but this time I wanted to be able to walk around, yet have the big layout as I dreamt it. I'm just not happy with it and it has me so stuck I refused to do the landscaping or continue with lighting and accessories, etc. The basement is big enough to do things either way, so as I think about some major reconstruction, I have some options.

The thing about perimeter layouts is you can have a nice open middle area, and "walk into' the middle of the layout. That draws the visitor in, and allows great access to everything. Right now, I can walk around, or crawl under a small gap, affording me access to a long 2 foot walkway in the middle. That's a pain, and I'm just to old to put up with the crawl anymore. A big open middle with large swooping turns at either end seems like a better plan. As I was tinkering with RRT software, it really occured to me for the first time that I am trapped by the 8 x 4 table concept. If I am building a curve-back with O-72 and maybe O-81 track, that meant I drew a pair of big tables for the long sweeping curves. Tons of square lost space results from that thinking.

So - my "ask" is, how do I get out of the box. What did some of you need to do to break the trap? I really do NOT want to hire a layout builder, and I can cut some wood. Thanks in advance!
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Frank,

First, investigate some different benchwork styles. For example, L-girder benchwork can give you those rounded edges.







Then, consider an open-grid with track on plywood roadbed cut with a sable saw. This will get you away from the table-top look and allow for some scenery that dips below the table as well rising above.




You may even decide to go for some dramatic elevation changes for a real break from the 4x8 table look:







The Kalmbach book on building benchwork is a good place to start. Smile

Jim
Agree with what's already been posted. I knew how to build a basic table as most do who enter the world of constructing layouts, after all it's an elementary and 'safe' way to go. Lynn Wescotts book really formed my way of thinking about bench work and how to think outside of the box. The odd thing is, building such tables has become the norm for building benchwork, when constructing in L girder fashion is very straight forward and simple and in some cases requires less plywood. Below are some photos of my layout under construction. Good luck, I hope this helps









An extreme possibility I once entertained which can give you an idea of the elevations that can be achieved.

Thanks for the pictures, Frank. It helps to visualize what you're finding annoying about your layout.

There's already been some very good suggestions in this thread. IF you decide to start over, I have a few suggestions (based on your photos) for you to consider once the current benchwork is out of the way:

1. Increase the overhead lighting capacity.

2. Consider covering the ceiling (overhead floor) joists with a cheap building material of some sort, then paint it white (to reflect light).

3. Finish the concrete walls, at the very least painting them either a light blue (to represent sky) or white (to reflect light) and go with some type of backdrop for the layout.

You appear to have a nice size to work with. (What is the room size?) I see plenty of room to have a very nice around the walls (with modest shelf depth) which would yield an excellent layout. In conjunction with the above mentioned suggestions, the end result will be a very pleasant layout enviorn and a nice layout to enjoy.

Best of luck in whatever you decide!

Andre
The basement is not a square room. It is 57 feet long, and 16 feet deep at narrow end, with a lot more width at other end, but my diagram only shows the narrowest width. Not sure if this will work, but posting a diagram. Please note that there are two elevated subway lines and a full subway yard added after this was drawn in RRT software.



Okay, that didn't work. Look in the photo album forum for Chisel Creek Yards.
I think at this point you could simply improvise what you have unless you really want to do some revamping. You could simply add some riser blocks to change grades and elevations. Adding homosote to give your mainlines some elevation would be easy enough to retrofit and would add realism. Your fascias could also be easily modified to some graceful curves to give it some architectural presence.

Andre has some good pointers. Do what you can to make it an inviting space and not just a basement with trains running. Many folks get ahead of themselves in the excitement to run trains and then it becomes difficult go back and change or add drywall, ceilings, lights, etc. Nice space you have there. Keep us posted.
Just a suggestion Frank that you post this over on the Layout Planning Forum where it will get more responses. This is the perfect topic for that forum and there are a lot of layout gurus over there.

You might have a look at the layout planning books and magazines (like Model Railroad Planning) that cater to the two rail and HO guys. Those guys don't think in terms of tables, but track plans, and then build the minimum benchwork to support it. I think all the three railers here that design that way have been influenced by those types of track planning publications.
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