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bmoran4 posted:

I'm at the stage in life where I am struggling to keep the all the graduations, marriages, first homes, babies, and first real grown-up jobs/promotions for my peers. Keeping tabs on on thousands of forum members and which ones are still with us seems daunting! However, I am saddened to (re?)-learn of his passing.

Amen, amen, amen!!!! I too miss CW - I was just reading some older posts last night where he was in a discussion about his 633 NW-2. To me it's very interesting to see the growth members demonstrate over their year-to-year postings, folks like CW Burfle, Gunrunner John, ADCX Rob, to mention just a few. In their early postings, there are some definite newbie questions and in the more recent ones you see years of experience showing up. There are many more I could add to this list, those were just the ones I read recently that drove that point home.

Stepping off soap box, now...

CAPPilot posted:

Fresno, CA:  Arthurs Toys for Lionel and AF, Tom's Trains for HO.

CAPPilot,

Thanks for reminding me of Arthur's and Tom's. I spent time in both stores during a several-year stay in Fresno for my first job out of college. Both were key to rekindling my interest in O scale and Lionel in particular; I recall Tom's doing a good job repairing several of my postwar engines and accessories. I grew up in Santa Cruz, CA and my parents would regularly take me to The Engine House in Sunnyvale--still probably my strongest train store memory as a kid.

@gene maag posted:

In the 1950's my friends and I would ride our bikes from Bellerose NY to Lynbrook NY, at least 20 miles, to Trainland in Lynbrook.

     Originally, back in the '50's, Trainland was an auction house called House of Mulraney. There were works of art to the right as you walked in and there were trains to the left. Likewise, I used to bike there from Oceanside. I remember them building a Super O layout in the front window where the G scale products are now (1957). I used to go once a week to see what progress was made on the layout. I also remember buying  a closeout of the Lionel 6464-500 there with my paper route money. Still have it!

    John

My response  about 5 years ago......still holds true....

My parents originally shopped for trains at the Macy's in White Plains, NY.

I used to shop for Plasticville at the Woolworth's on Westchester Square in the Bronx.

As I got older, all my train shopping was done at Honigs Parkway, a store under the White Plains Rd EL, just north of Allerton Avenue, Bronx NY.......the store is long gone....

Made it to Madison Hardware once....December 83 when I was 30.....never knew about it until I saw ads in Model Railroader in the 70s.

Peter

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When my brother and I were kids in the late 40s our Dad used to take us to a place called Spoonly the Trainman . It was a large 2 story house in South Buffalo ny filled to the ceiling on both floors. Our 671 was purchased there. Years latter he took his own life in the attic. As kids we could never figure why. He seemed to be a happy man. There was also a place in north Buffalo called K val hobbies. We purchased a tank car there and my brother dropped it out of the box broke one of the trucks. They took it in the back and came out with it repaired or a new one in the box. 70 some years I still remember both these great shops.

thanks, Tstark

As I mentioned over 2 years ago, initially it was Arthur's Toy Store in Fresno, CA.  My brother would pick up cheap HO cars there.  I think he sold all our S gauge to them.

Later, when my brother got involved in N then Marx ( I always thought that was an interesting transition), we would visit Tom's Trains also in Fresno.  They open in 1960 or so and lasted until around 2013.  The shop was the definition of chaos, but he had some great gems hidden amongst the piles of stuff he had.

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i just sat and reread many of the replies in this post-and it is so clear, to me at least, that the majority of the "memories" we adult train enthusiasts have are not only from the specific train stores -but rather from the adults who took us to those places and the interest/love that they gave us. Humane "brains" need that kind of attention, especially while developing-and our brain limbic systems have not evolved from the 1950s, 60s  until now-kids still need that input. Purchasing trains on the web may be cheaper/ more productive in finding exactly what you want/need-but a hobby which includes children with this focus only misses/ ignores the development so sorely needed-and the memories that keep us adults attached to a child's hobby.

While my favorite has always been, and will forever be, Nicholas Smith Trains here in Broomall Pa., I have to ask...

Does anyone remember Choo Choo Charlies on MacDade Blvd. in Ridley (Holmes) Pa.?

Very small shop, not even sure if they had O gauge, my grandparents took me there when they would buy N scale items. It closed when I was very young, probably around 2002.

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Ace Hardware in Grayslake, IL in the 1970's.  We would ride our bikes "downtown" (an overstatement!) and they had Lionel trains.  I begged my mom for a Lionel MPC DT&I switcher set for Christmas and I got it.  That was my big add-on to a cheapie plastic steam engine set my grandma bought my brother and I for Christmas several years earlier.  I also got a C&O box car with die cast sprung trucks for a different Christmas.  Both of these sets were all I had and all we could afford for years -- and they ran every Christmas underneath our tree with a few Plasticville houses lit up by an extra set of clear tree lights.   

Fast forward to now and I've spent tens of thousands on trains!  Yet I still have those simple Lionel trains and will never sell them. I don't run them because they offer nothing operationally -- can't pull many cars, no sounds, no E-units.  But I love them as much as my best MTH Premier engines.

My response  about 5 years ago......still holds true....

My parents originally shopped for trains at the Macy's in White Plains, NY.

I used to shop for Plasticville at the Woolworth's on Westchester Square in the Bronx.

As I got older, all my train shopping was done at Honigs Parkway, a store under the White Plains Rd EL, just north of Allerton Avenue, Bronx NY.......the store is long gone....

Made it to Madison Hardware once....December 83 when I was 30.....never knew about it until I saw ads in Model Railroader in the 70s.

Peter

I grew up in White Plains, born 1970, Macys did not have trains then. There was The Roundhouse on Martine Ave, and Westchester Hobbies on Post Rd. But my father worked on 53rd and Lexington and we used to go to Madison Hardware all the time. I also went to Trainworld on Ave M. Madison was so fun in the late 70's and 80's. Carl and Lou where something else. There was the Roundhouse II that was located in the Croton North Station.But it did not last that long, great location but it was to off the beaten path.

@turtle7 posted:

i just sat and reread many of the replies in this post-and it is so clear, to me at least, that the majority of the "memories" we adult train enthusiasts have are not only from the specific train stores -but rather from the adults who took us to those places and the interest/love that they gave us. Humane "brains" need that kind of attention, especially while developing-and our brain limbic systems have not evolved from the 1950s, 60s  until now-kids still need that input. Purchasing trains on the web may be cheaper/ more productive in finding exactly what you want/need-but a hobby which includes children with this focus only misses/ ignores the development so sorely needed-and the memories that keep us adults attached to a child's hobby.

I agree, but very, very few kids today are interested in trains let alone going to a train store.

Can't find what i said a few years past. But in Gloversville, NY at Xmas time: Martin & Naylor Dept. Store (Mr. Naylor always gave me the Lionel advance catalogs); Durkee's Hardware; Sears & Roebuck;  and Firestone. They all had operating layouts. In Johnstown, NY (the next town over) was John G. Ferris Hardware with a small Lionel selection. Mr Ferris would take me up to the storeroom, ask how much money was in my pocket (never more than $3 & usually less) and then let me pick out a car or accessory for whatever cash i had (less $.05 or $.10 for a Coke at Palmer's Drug Store). A real treat was when my parents took me to Charles Klarsfeld's on Hudson Ave in Albany where i was allowed to get one small item. When my dad worked in NYC he would bring me down for a weekend in the city which meant a train ride alone (behind a steam engine) from Fonda, NY to Croton-Harmon where electric power then brought the train into GCT. My dad was always waiting on the platform. It always included a visit to Madison Hardware. I always remember seeing all the WWII ships mothballed in the Hudson near West Point. Life was good.

This may seem a little strange but I used to buy Lionel Trains at CALDOR when I was a child.  For those of you not familiar with CALDOR, it was a regional discount store chain in the CT and NY area.  It was a high class discount store started by Calvin and Dorothy, hence the name, in Port Chester, NY.   You could buy Waterford Crystal, Nikon cameras, etc.  There were other discount stores similar to CALDOR at the time like E. J. Korvette.  CALDOR's sold sets, a variety of freight cars, track and some accessories.  I purchased my Bronx Zoo giraffe car there.  I still have some Life Like products I purchase there, like track cleaner and lichen.  Yes, there still lots of liquid in the cleaner bottle and the lichen is amazingly supple after 60 years.  The cleaner is a dark purple color and as I remember the smell was quite potent.  Some would say I suffer from separation anxiety.  Other just know I'm a pack rat.

@turtle7 posted:

i just sat and reread many of the replies in this post-and it is so clear, to me at least, that the majority of the "memories" we adult train enthusiasts have are not only from the specific train stores -but rather from the adults who took us to those places and the interest/love that they gave us. Humane "brains" need that kind of attention, especially while developing-and our brain limbic systems have not evolved from the 1950s, 60s  until now-kids still need that input. Purchasing trains on the web may be cheaper/ more productive in finding exactly what you want/need-but a hobby which includes children with this focus only misses/ ignores the development so sorely needed-and the memories that keep us adults attached to a child's hobby.

While I don’t work with very young kids, I do get them starting at 12 years old in the Civil Air Patrol.  I work with them for sUAS (aerial drones) and rocketry, and they quickly get very skilled at both.  Many come already skilled in these areas, indicating they have been exposed to these hobbies at an early age.

Our favorite train stores when we were young are gone because there are so many more challenging (and exciting) hobbies for the kids today.  Hobbies that get them interested in STEM careers.

I thought my dad’s push toys were boring.  In the future when new and even more exciting hobbies are developed, todays kids will think back about their favorite hobbies and wonder why their grandkids just are not interested in them.  Nothing changes.

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As a child I didn't frequent many train stores.  Trains were mostly gifts I received at Christmas.  I did visit the store at Lionel's Corporate Headquarters on 26th street in NYC in the late 1950's.  My Dad took me to see the layout and asked me if I wanted anything from the store.  I really wanted the New Haven EP-5 but I knew it was pricy and settled for a work caboose.  I did receive the 2350 the following Christmas, so it must have been on Santa's list.

@shorling posted:

This may seem a little strange but I used to buy Lionel Trains at CALDOR when I was a child.  For those of you not familiar with CALDOR, it was a regional discount store chain in the CT and NY area.  It was a high class discount store started by Calvin and Dorothy, hence the name, in Port Chester, NY.   You could buy Waterford Crystal, Nikon cameras, etc.  There were other discount stores similar to CALDOR at the time like E. J. Korvette.  CALDOR's sold sets, a variety of freight cars, track and some accessories.  I purchased my Bronx Zoo giraffe car there.  I still have some Life Like products I purchase there, like track cleaner and lichen.  Yes, there still lots of liquid in the cleaner bottle and the lichen is amazingly supple after 60 years.  The cleaner is a dark purple color and as I remember the smell was quite potent.  Some would say I suffer from separation anxiety.  Other just know I'm a pack rat.

Steve...thanks for the info on CALDOR...remember it on Central av in Yonkers.....all the best ...joe

Amers Hobby Shop  Youngstown, Ohio, Currently the Little Choo Choo Shop  in Spencer, NC.  About a 2 1/2 hour drive, but right across the street from Spencer shops, currently the NC Transportation Museum but used to be the Southern RR was once a major steam locomotive repair facility between Atlanta and Washington, D.C. in Spencer, North Carolina. The service facility was once Southern Railway's largest steam locomotive repair center.Inside1

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For me, it was Model Railroad Equipment Corporation on New York’s West 45th Street. My father operated a business around the corner on West 46th, and from the time I was about 10 years old I started spending Saturday mornings with him his shop. By the time I was 12, I was familiar enough with the area to go out in the neighborhood my own. (It was a different world then.)

On one of my outings around the block, I discovered “MREC.” This was a big deal for me because I had several Lionel items that came in boxes with this store's label on them. The first time I walked in, I realized that anything Lionel made could be had there, and that the model railroading world encompassed much more than just Lionel, a fact that led to my life-long interest in scale model railroading.

I was mesmerized by the place, but I was also a rare lone and usually empty-pocketed youngster in what was obviously a grownups domain. I made certain to behave, but I’m sure I spent enough time there and asked enough questions to wear on the nerves of the management and staff. Nonetheless, owner (Mama) Carmen Webster indulged me and even crusty old floor manager Herb Waters (?), a truly great New York Central scratch builder, put up with me.

Oddly enough, some years later I wound up working for arch rival Polk’s, a bit downtown on 5th Avenue, but I never lost my affinity for Mama’s.

Cheers,

          - Mike

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Living 'way out in the sticks, I got to go all the way into NYC twice a year, once before Christmas, and once around Easter season.  It was a big deal, and I thought about those trips all year, almost as we now think about going to York twice a year. We took the first ferry from Shelter Island to Greenport at 5:40 am and boarded the LIRR which departed Greenport at around 6 am. By the time the train got to Jamaica station three hours later, it was packed with commuters, and we were glad to have gotten seats way back at milepost 94.

My family was somewhere between "moderately dirt poor" and "not quite middle class" but they managed to afford a two-night stay at the Martinique Hotel at 32nd Street twice a year. There are some weird things that a kid remembers, and in my case, I remember being fascinated with all things trains, and tunnels. There was a pedestrian passageway between Penn Station and the basement of the Martinique. You could get off the train and enter the hotel without having to go outside in the weather or the street hustle-n-bustle.

From that base of operations, we went to Macy*s, Gimbles, Radio City, a museum or two,  and Polk's. For some reason, we didn't learn about Madison Hardware until much later when I was around ten or eleven.

In Riverhead (Long Island) where we would shop once a month, there were two stores that sold Lionel Trains. Griffing Hardware, on West Main Street, had a small Lionel display. I picked out a flat car with pipes for a birthday present. At the other store, at the other end of Main Street, was "Kid Stuff" and I bought a 3530 generator car with my own money. It was at that store that I also bought a very strange, to me, all plastic PRR boxcar kit, made by Kusan.  Strangely, the store owner didn't offer (or I didn't ask for) any information about that weird non-Lionel product on his shelves. I went back a few months later, and bought a tank car and a caboose, both kits by Kusan, because the price was right at $0.99 each. The Arcade department store in Greenport had a small Lionel display, but rarely had any new items. I wouldn't generally have been able to buy anything anyway, but I looked at the trains every time we went in. I finally did buy a #395 floodlight tower, for $4.95, when they were closing out the toy department.

Is it a kind of mental illness, that I can remember the flat car, the generator car, the Kusan cars and the floodlight tower, and how much I paid, after 60-some years?  Obviously, being obsessed with trains, those purchases represented high points in my life. Of course, I can remember buying my first new car in 1966 for $2779.00 and I still have the original window sticker.  I can also remember the exact odor of the steam heat, and the green vinyl seats in the LIRR cars. I remember sitting in the window seat on the left side of the car, so I could see as much of the ROW as possible, as the train moved west to the city.  I remember that my left foot was really hot, and my right foot was really cold, because the heat came out of a small register along the floor under the windows. I remember that the Diesel loco was a C-liner, with 4 wheels in front and 6 wheels in the rear truck. I remember the conductor coming through and collecting the little seat tickets from the metal holders, right before arriving Jamaica station.

Forty years later, I went into Griffing Hardware to have a key cut, and asked a man who happened to be the grandson of the original owner, if there were any Lionel trains in the warehouse or attic of the store. He admitted that he had taken all of them for himself when Lionel stopped selling to small independent shops, and he had kept those favorites for his own kids.   Recently, I had a non-train related phone conversation with a man, whose name I have forgotten, who said that his family were the owners of Kid Stuff. Small world.

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There were a great many train stores and other types of businesses (hardware and department stores, for example) that sold trains in the Youngstown, Ohio, area when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s, but my go-to train store was always Amer's Hobby Shop in the southside uptown area. My first Lionel train set came from Amer's, and it was followed by many more trains and accessories up until the time I left to go away to attend college. Howard Amer was one of the most astute businessmen I have met in my long lifetime, and he also was a very dapper dresser and rumored to be popular with the ladies. It was a great train store.



I probably posted this same thing much earlier in this long thread, but I'll be ****ed if I am going to go back and look for it.

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Living 'way out in the sticks, I got to go all the way into NYC twice a year, once before Christmas, and once around Easter season.  It was a big deal, and I thought about those trips all year, almost as we now think about going to York twice a year. We took the first ferry from Shelter Island to Greenport at 5:40 am and boarded the LIRR which departed Greenport at around 6 am. By the time the train got to Jamaica station three hours later, it was packed with commuters, and we were glad to have gotten seats way back at milepost 94.

My family was somewhere between "moderately dirt poor" and "not quite middle class" but they managed to afford a two-night stay at the Martinique Hotel at 32nd Street twice a year. There are some weird things that a kid remembers, and in my case, I remember being fascinated with all things trains, and tunnels. There was a pedestrian passageway between Penn Station and the basement of the Martinique. You could get off the train and enter the hotel without having to go outside in the weather or the street hustle-n-bustle.

From that base of operations, we went to Macy*s, Gimbles, Radio City, a museum or two,  and Polk's. For some reason, we didn't learn about Madison Hardware until much later when I was around ten or eleven.

In Riverhead (Long Island) where we would shop once a month, there were two stores that sold Lionel Trains. Griffing Hardware, on West Main Street, had a small Lionel display. I picked out a flat car with pipes for a birthday present. At the other store, at the other end of Main Street, was "Kid Stuff" and I bought a 3530 generator car with my own money. It was at that store that I also bought a very strange, to me, all plastic PRR boxcar kit, made by Kusan.  Strangely, the store owner didn't offer (or I didn't ask for) any information about that weird non-Lionel product on his shelves. I went back a few months later, and bought a tank car and a caboose, both kits by Kusan, because the price was right at $0.99 each. The Arcade department store in Greenport had a small Lionel display, but rarely had any new items. I wouldn't generally have been able to buy anything anyway, but I looked at the trains every time we went in. I finally did buy a #395 floodlight tower, for $4.95, when they were closing out the toy department.

Is it a kind of mental illness, that I can remember the flat car, the generator car, the Kusan cars and the floodlight tower, and how much I paid, after 60-some years?  Obviously, being obsessed with trains, those purchases represented high points in my life. Of course, I can remember buying my first new car in 1966 for $2779.00 and I still have the original window sticker.  I can also remember the exact odor of the steam heat, and the green vinyl seats in the LIRR cars. I remember sitting in the window seat on the left side of the car, so I could see as much of the ROW as possible, as the train moved west to the city.  I remember that my left foot was really hot, and my right foot was really cold, because the heat came out of a small register along the floor under the windows. I remember that the Diesel loco was a C-liner, with 4 wheels in front and 6 wheels in the rear truck. I remember the conductor coming through and collecting the little seat tickets from the metal holders, right before arriving Jamaica station.

Forty years later, I went into Griffing Hardware to have a key cut, and asked a man who happened to be the grandson of the original owner, if there were any Lionel trains in the warehouse or attic of the store. He admitted that he had taken all of them for himself when Lionel stopped selling to small independent shops, and he had kept those favorites for his own kids.   Recently, I had a non-train related phone conversation with a man, whose name I have forgotten, who said that his family were the owners of Kid Stuff. Small world.

Growing up and being a kid on Shelter Island, in the summer time, I'm sure was just as much fun as the trips to the city.

Sutcliffe's, a Louisville, Ky. sporting goods store that had a "mezzanine" an upstairs "loft" at the back of the store that was only open for weeks before Christmas, and closed the day after the holiday.  So when l got there after Christmas with my gift money, hot to buy the orange Marx 3/16 Santa Fe stock car, and the LNE hopper, new in the red Marx boxes, the mezzanine was closed.  So l never owned them until l left HO to turn again to three rail.  I bought the oversize Marx A-A #21 diesels on Fourth Street, which had all the dime stores, in Woolworth's basement.  M. Ward's was there, where my and my brother's Hawthorn bicycles came from, and every 11th of the month we got off from school when my grandfather picked up his milk check from the dairy, and we toured Grant's and Kresge's, Woolworths, and the two major dept. stores, Kaufman's, and Stewart's.  Sears was blocks away on Broadway, and only occasionally and for "Christmas shopping", did my mother and grandmother take us to their basement and holiday display of trains. The Louisville  hobby shop was Fischer's, up a steep stairs on the side of a building on a side street off Fourth.  I bought Hudson's Miniatures and Highway Pioneers antique car kits there, but they carried no Marx.  After l got out of school, Mrs. Fischer operated a hobby shop out in the east end, near where a train shop is now, and l was then into HO, and searching for Colorado roadnames, but remember finding none there. I was just interested in the Marx in the Sutcliff years, but remember them having Lionel.  I do remember seeing nice Flyer sets running in Kaufman's.  The distictive chuffing of the Flyer steamers, and Alco A unit sets.  Well spent youth.

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