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Good day folks,

For signal logic, my understanding is that, if one uses the NO input, if a circuit is closed, then the signal drops to red. This is good for ABS/occupancy detection. If one uses NC, then if the circuit opens, the signal drops to red. This is good for showing if a turnout is lined against the movement.

I would like to incorporate two separate block detectors, and a detector for switch position, onto the same signal. To that end, if I wire the detection circuit in parallel (as opposed to series), would closing one ladder of the parallel close the circuit, and cause the signal to change aspects (if using NO)? Basically, I want to create a logic such that, if there's a car in either of the two blocks, or if the switch is not lined for the CTC-controlled mainline, it drops to red.

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Context:

I'm planning a shelf layout for a back room. I have plans to make a light rail line that uses ABS/CTC, which interacts with a Rule 171/unsignaled secondary line and spurs. The light rail line runs from the tunnel/staging at left middle to a planned platform in the bottom right. The heavy rail switcher would enter the CTC-controlled lines to work the various sidings or run around cars, so they might leave cars in the block, enter the non-CTC line that crosses the diamond, then reenter the block.

I'm planning for four very short blocks: light rail staging (B5), from the tunnel mouth to the diamond (B4), from the diamond to the lower right tail track (B2) and the platform itself (B1). The red arrows show the position of signals protecting movements along the CTC route, with the blue line representing the two blocks I'd like displayed by one head at the diamond for EB moves. This is partially aesthetics, since I don't want one signal right after another, and partly practicality, since there's not enough room for a trolley between the diamond and the next block, and it wouldn't make sense to have the trolley stop on the diamond, when the heavy rail switcher might need to move across it to clear the block.

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Dan,

You're right on target here.  In parallel is the correct way to have these three detectors connected.  That way any, or all, of them can flip the signal red and yet all three must be clear for it to return to off.

In practice this can be a little more difficult depending on the precise construction of each.  For this reason I would suggest adding diodes to the output of each detector, arranged as a set of three in what is called a "Wired OR" configuration.

Therefore, this only works if the signaling system is powered by DC.  No AC allowed.  Why?  We're going to use the diodes to implement a very simple "OR" gate.  Being DC devices they work best with DC.

The diodes will ensure that, regardless of the output characteristics of your detectors, whether they use relays or transistors to drive the circuitry that follows them, each output will be isolated, i.e., not be hurt by any or all of the other ones being on while it's off.

Now, to your sketch. a couple of updates come out of this:

Wired OR_2a4_cr

What you get is a signal with an aspect displaying "red" when any one, or more, of the detectors is (are) closed, and "off" when not.

Mike

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