With new cab1L can you 'cross the streams'

The same concept applies...

Well, the commands from the CAB1 and the Legacy would truly be coming from two different sources.  Since the CAB1L will interface directly with the Legacy base, I'd think it would behave like two Legacy remotes.  While it's clearly not a good idea to control one engine with multiple remotes, it appears to work just fine.  I've tried to send commands simultaneously from the two CAB2's, but I've never seen it malfunction.

I use my mth remote connected to my legacy base and control tmcc engines with it .I use my legacy remote at the same time with zero problems .. So i use both remotes at the same time use the horn on both at the same time...

The rule of thumb is NOT to control a Legacy engine from the Legacy remote and a Cab1 or DCS setup at the same time.  The Cab1 and DCS remote will be controlling the Legacy engine in 32 speed step mode.  The Legacy remote in 200 speed steps.  From what I understand the Cab1L is controlling the Legacy engines in relative 32 speed steps.

Jon my be able to talk more of this.

I would like Jon to chime in on this conversation, I am having a hard time understanding how the Cab1L would change the speed steps on an engine when the commands are coming from the same Legacy base that is being controlled by the Cab2.

It's not changing speed steps on the engine but the Cab1L from what I "think" I heard sends 32 step relative commands for a Legacy engine where as the Legacy remote sends out 200 absolute speed step commands.

It would essentially be like running a Legacy engine using TMCC1 mode on your Cab2.

But lets see if Jon chimes in.  I only heard this once and might be incorrect.

Hard to imagine why they made the CAB1L handle only 32 speed steps, that appears to be a step backwards.  I think I'm losing reasons to want this system.

There was some discussion about the 3 buttons at the bottom but I didn't quite follow it so it's probably best to let Jon explain.

Any Idea on the Release date on the CAB1-L & PRICE of both the CAB & Base, plus the Combination of both??

Fredstrains

No release date given.  Although operational (at least the Cab1L) they were definitely prototypes.

I have a couple of friends who want to go Legacy, but a little more economically. Just wondering!

Fred

Fred, if the CAB1L really only does 32 steps, you'd be losing a big advantage of Legacy, the smooth steps, so I'd probably just buy the full Legacy system.  For a street price less than $100 difference, why not get all you can out of those expensive engines?

The CAB-1L should support the same three modes as the CAB-2?. i.e. CAB-1, TMCC, Legacy?  It needs CAB-1 mode for PowerMasters and TPC's and the crane car.  It would be really, really, really bad if all it can do is CAB-1 and Legacy mode.  A bigger question is why would you want to control a Legacy loco in TMCC mode if the remote can generate Legacy commands?

I'll be somewhat amazed if the CAB-1L supports PowerMasters.  The PowerMaster requires a 27mhz transmission from the CAB-1 directly to the PowerMaster, since the CAB-1L is compatible with the Legacy base, one assumes it's transmitting on 2.4ghz.  Note that it doesn't have the 27mhz antenna like the original CAB-1.

New PowerMasters are Legacy Compatible.  Old ones would be addressed through the bridge box, same as a CAB-2

I didn't realize there were new PowerMasters.

Allegedly.  I think they are technically called PowerMasterL?

http://www.lionel.com/products...1D7D&PageID=2097

A phantom product, but it sounds like it'll be useful.

I just wish they'd pick a set of speed steps and stick with that.  We've got, 32, 64,96 (modern ZW), 72, 200, 400 (TPC) and now 32, 120 and 200.  I didn't even check the new, new ZW.

The speed steps for TMCC locos are absolute 32, and relative.

The Speed steps for Legacy locos are absolute 32, 100, 200, and relative.

The CAB1L is relative and really does not understand speed steps per say; the Legacy loco will operate based on the LOCO speed step selection.  If you try and use both cabs (Cab1L and CAB2); the result is the absolute speed step taking priority from the CAB2. 

Lionel does not recommend Legacy and Cab1/Cab1L operate the same loco; or strange operation can occur.  For example: I can twist the CAB1L knob to reach full speed on the loco, then take a Cab-2 and just crack the dial to speed step 1; and the loco will move to speed step 1.

There is nothing I can do to change that behavior.

So the CAB-1L can't generate absolute speed steps any more than the CAB-1 could? Aka it cant really generate TMCC speed commands?

Are you guys talking about the PowerMaster Bridge:

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com...ge-p/lio-6-24279.htm

I'm hoping the Base1L will work with DCS.  Finding an old TMCC Command Base is getting difficult, at a decent price.  If the Base1L is reasonably priced that ought to cut the legs from under any price gouging of the TMCC CB.

I wonder what part/say-so 3rd Rail, Atlas and Weaver had in this with them still using TMCC?  How about Bachmann, or are they coming out with yet another system?