Would You Buy a Model of This?

Hot Water posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

 

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They made two of these Aeolus stainless steel locomotives before World War 2. The first was an upgrade to an already existing locomotive, while the other was built from the ground up.

Well, they really weren't "stainless steel locomotives", simply CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudsons, with stainless steel shrouds over the boiler & tender, just like the NYC, and many other railroads that had streamlined "shrouded" steam locomotives.

Lots of kids had models of these:  Flyer made cast versions prewar.

Hey Vincent......if you'd like to see a Model Engine of the same type which started this thread, see the topic of "did you buy/make anything cool lately"....on page 20.  Scroll almost to the bottom of the page.  Looks like the exact same loco, and it seems the owner posted a few short videos of it running! 

Just FYI!!!

RE:Spirit of Progress Victorian Railways ...

A very handsome loco in my opinion.  The sloped front end avoids the ugly "inverted bathtub" look and the completely visible spoked drivers give it an image of speed!

A link to a site with a spread on the Zeuke made streamliner .....or is that what they mean by a plastic bathtub liner? 😲 http://www.spur-null.de/triebfahrzeuge/z_fd50_2c.html

No. The weathering is overdone.

Nope, not bright green enough to say no ... I could push that around all day too.

I'd actually prefer it over an "identical", yet "pretty".... "modern box".  No stories told there. 😕

Plus I can see the insides that are still left.

Great Western 1876

Starting in 1937, the Crusader had streamlined locomotives that ran from Pennsylvania to New Jersey for 45 years.

Vincent Massi posted:

Starting in 1937, the Crusader had streamlined locomotives that ran from Pennsylvania to New Jersey for 45 years.

Please recheck your math! There is absolutely NO WAY that the Reading Crusader train, let alone that streamlined pacific, operated from 1937 to 1982 (45 years). The Reading Railroad didn't even exists in 1982.

Wikipedia (not always the best source) says “Introduced in 1937, the Crusader service declined during the 1960s. The southern part of the route was cut in 1981, followed by the northern part in 1982.”

 

Farmer_Bill posted:

Wikipedia (not always the best source) says “Introduced in 1937, the Crusader service declined during the 1960s. The southern part of the route was cut in 1981, followed by the northern part in 1982.”

Since the train only operated from the CNJ Jersey City Terminal to Philadelphia, I wonder what they mean by the "southern Part" vs. the "northern part". Also, the Reading Railroad became part of CONRAIL on April 1, 1976, thus ceased to exist.      

 

Better question, How long did the Crusader streamliners head the Crusader route vs diesel? It seems that is being overlooked at the least, and who ran how much of the train by title , where and when, is another thread for after the day the streamliner ended is accounted for I'd think...that is the subject once settled is most on topic imo.

Adriatic posted:

Better question, How long did the Crusader streamliners head the Crusader route vs diesel?

 

Being raised in Cranford, New Jersey, I do remember seeing the steam powered Reading Crusader pass thru on the main line, through the yard area just set of the main passenger station. Since the Crusader did not stop in Cranford, it was going really, REALLY fast, when I, and my dad, first saw it in 1944 and/or 1945. In the early 1950s, long after my dad had passed away, I remember seeing the Crusader with nice looking diesels powering the train. I learned later that those nice looking diesels were EMD FP7s in an A-A MU'ed consist.

 

It seems that is being overlooked at the least, and who ran how much of the train by title , where and when, is another thread for after the day the streamliner ended is accounted for I'd think...that is the subject once settled is most on topic imo.

 

Adriatic posted:

Better question, How long did the Crusader streamliners head the Crusader route vs diesel? It seems that is being overlooked at the least, and who ran how much of the train by title , where and when, is another thread for after the day the streamliner ended is accounted for I'd think...that is the subject once settled is most on topic imo.

From the American Rails website:

"Locomotives No. 117 and No.118 were both kept at the Reading's facilities in Philadelphia. One engine would pull the morning Philadelphia to Jersey City round trip and the other engine would later pull the afternoon round trip.

In 1948, two EMD FP7A diesel-electric engines replaced the two streamlined steam locomotives. Both steam engines had their streamlining removed and were placed on other assignments. In 1950 the two Pacifics were retired and replaced by more EMD FP7A diesels."

Rusty

It was a toss up, Æolus or Crusader 

The trim is Stainless 🤣

(don't hit me 😂)

Except the ribs themselvs, tin can 😋

We're learning. This is the second or third time that I have blended the name of a locomotive with the name of the rail service.

I stated, correctly,  that  "...the Crusader had streamlined locomotives..." and then showed three pictures of streamlined Crusader steam engines. I meant that the Crusader train service had streamlined locomotives, but failed to explain that they eventually replaced their Steam locos with others.

The EMD-FP7A was a streamlined diesel locomotive that replaced the streamlined steam locomotives. A photo is below, but there were slightly different versions. This is a 1968 diesel-electric Crusader.

In their final years during the 1960's, the trains bearing the names Crusader and Wall Street were RDC's that ran through from Newark (via the Aldene connection) to Reading Terminal.

Kent Loudon posted:

In their final years during the 1960's, the trains bearing the names Crusader and Wall Street were RDC's that ran through from Newark (via the Aldene connection) to Reading Terminal.

Thus,,,,,,,,,,they were no longer "streamlined".

Too stodgy-looking for me.

Vincent Massi posted:

Too stodgy-looking for me.

A photoshopped fake anyway.

Hot Water posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

Too stodgy-looking for me.

A photoshopped fake anyway.

Hot Water, you could be right. Two sites have posted this photo as a "Pennsylvania Railroad. Streamlined 4-6-4, Hudson type (PRR Class P6), along the lines of the P5a electrics." But it does not resemble the P5s at all. Nor does it resemble the Hudsons. And I cannot find any listing of a PRR Class P6.

I'm impressed.

Vincent Massi posted:

Hot Water posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

Too stodgy-looking for me.

A photoshopped fake anyway.

Hot Water you are correct.

Two sites have posted this photo as a "Pennsylvania Railroad. Streamlined 4-6-4, Hudson type (PRR Class P6), along the lines of the P5a electrics." But it does not resemble the P5s at all. Nor does it resemble the Hudsons. And I cannot find any listing of a PRR Class P6.

Researching farther, a fellow on Deviant Art claims to have invented it. It seems that the PRR didn't like the 4-6-4 arrangement because it did not provide enough traction for the mountainous sections of Pennsylvania. So this fellow designed (on paper) a steam locomotive using the 4-6-4 arrangement that could succeed in those areas.

Hot Water, I'm impressed.

 

 

 

 

 

Aeolus  AEOLUS

Vincent Massi posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

Hot Water posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

Too stodgy-looking for me.

A photoshopped fake anyway.

Hot Water you are correct.

Two sites have posted this photo as a "Pennsylvania Railroad. Streamlined 4-6-4, Hudson type (PRR Class P6), along the lines of the P5a electrics." But it does not resemble the P5s at all. Nor does it resemble the Hudsons. And I cannot find any listing of a PRR Class P6.

Researching farther, a fellow on Deviant Art claims to have invented it. It seems that the PRR didn't like the 4-6-4 arrangement because it did not provide enough traction for the mountainous sections of Pennsylvania. So this fellow designed (on paper) a steam locomotive using the 4-6-4 arrangement that could succeed in those areas.

Hot Water, I'm impressed.

 

 

 

 

 

For what it's worth, the PRR never had any 4-6-4 nor 4-8-4 wheel arrangements in their steam locomotive fleet. The electric locomotive fleet consisted of the P5 class of 4-6-4s and only one R class 4-8-4, which the PRR deemed "un-successful" also, and subsequently had the GG-1 developed/built. 

Hot Water posted:

Vincent Massi posted:

Too stodgy-looking for me.

A photoshopped fake anyway.

And it's not even a good Photoshop job...

Rusty

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Folks, I admit that they look good, but unless the price was very low, I don't think I'd buy any. The passenger car is real, by the way. Now, does ANYBODY own a monopoly train?

 

  I know R.Deal has one, but his posts have been slim since he finished his Monopoly/bubble light Christmas layout.

I wouldn't refuse one  

Game of Eight Ball or Crazy 8s instead?

Rollin' on by.

The Big Game?

Still no green ? 😲

There was no Pennsylvania Power & Light railroad per se. Someone decided that it was dangerous to have coal-burning locomotives in power plants, so they used "fireless locomotives" powered by compressed air or compressed super-heated water. They were safer and actually cheaper to operate if you were near a large stationary boiler to keep supplying compressed air or water to the switchyard.

The largest fireless locomotive ever built, this magnificent machine served for thirty years before being retired in 1969.

Although replaced by diesel or electric locomotives, fireless locomotives are making a small comeback. Diesel switchers are idle 90% of the time, but must keep their engines running, so sometimes a fireless locomotive is cheaper to operate.

I've done a lot of pneumatic work. 4 trades worth 😶

And blue, is my favorite color... no wait! 😱..  ahhhhhhh ...

"not green"

In fact, I'd like to see that made for sure. I'm pretty sure it even gets requested by somebody every once in a while "wish" threads. 

Although it is weathered nicely, I would not buy a model of this PP&L fireless locomotive.

Too funny the actual "ahhhh" of the Monty Python movie quote sounds like "yellow" if you listen close.

For winters in PA without a firebox I'd like the closed cab; but the open cab is always more elegant imo. 

"not green enough"

This one looks like something that someone like me would  assemble.

The Märklin version only costs Euro 12.000: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Clix-3...rksid=p2047675.l2557

Regards

Fred

I'm not positive, but I think that Marklin is a totally different loco. Better looking I might add. But that isn't "fun".......

Paint the boiler red and it'd look like Wile E Coyote straped a rocket on a loco frame.

& Vincent has overlooked the "Minion-Factor"...

 

 

UNAmerican Type ?

No. If nothing else, a bunch of Greeks might come out at night and burn my lay-out.

In my opinion, Lionel's 1957 decision to issue a girls' train set was an intelligent risk that didn't work out.

Made with excellent quality, the set was an attempt to get more girls (more customers) into model trains. And Lionel learned from its failure: girls who like trains like realistic trains.

Unsold sets were repainted, cutting Lionel's losses. The original sets are collectors' items.

 

Japan's 9600 series of locomotives were manufactured from 1913 to 1939, according to contradictory sources. Japan's first mass-produced locomotive, they were heavily exported to Taiwan and China. During WW2, some of them were seized and then re-seized. About 770 were made, not counting the ones rebuilt from scrap and spare parts.

Ok, the pink and purple sections of the train would be shelf queens; you finally got me... The yellow, blue, green is actually suitable; it reminds me of sun faded cars.

But I might use a trojan for Slinky weiner dog pulling 🙄🤔😣🤣