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Edit added later::::Apologies but apparently, the pictures and video I see in this posting are not showing up for others (I can see the ictures and video although the video won't work for me, either).  Anyway, I re-posted the photos and video farther down in this thread, I think  they work there.  I tried, but the site won't let me edit the pictures and video on this original posting - acting weird it is. 

 

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First, M. B. Klein is fantastic.  I week ago I ordered the Lincoln funeral train from their website.  Their whole region got pounded by superstorm Sandy, they had to shut down their website and stor for several days, and the thing still arrived today!  They've always given great service, but WWOW!

 

Anyway, the Klein offering included both the basic train-tender-funeral car and the two-car extension pack.  Both were nicely packed in special boxes (no orange) and nothing was damaged, rusted, etc. - everything was as it should be.  

Beautiful display.  Both sets, basic and extension, came with nice display boards - each is a finished folding wooden display board with no track, but groves cut into the wood for the train wheel flanges to fit in, and just the right length to display the train-tender-funeral car and the added two cars.  Here it ison display. Not to demean it, but this is about all it seems designed to do well.    

L F T on display

Intricate detail. And display it does!!!!  Loco and tender are cast metal, the cars mostly plastic with metal frames and wheels, etc. But there is a lot of color and even what I'd call "intricate" detail on the loco and cars, including engineer and fireman in the loco and full interiors with the coffin and figures in the strange, four-truck funeral car and people and such in the other two (which appear to be identical to one another).  Paint and labeling is extraordinarily good on the loco. It has a photo of Lincoln mounted on the front that is about 1/4 inch high on the model and very recognizable - on the sides are smaller photos that are quite well done when examined through a jeweler's loop.   It has very delicate bell rope wires and added on detail everything, and very fine pinstriping, etc.  The fuel load appears to be real wood.  The multi-colored "logo" in the middle of the funeral car's side is detailed.  There are many 'separately applied parts" and good rivet detail (I didn't count through though! ;-) )  Altogether, a beautiful looking model.

L F T loco


The loco is tiny.  I had heard that a scale early-era loco would be smaller than the Lionel "old-timer" (included with the Lone Ranger and all).  Frankly, that was about 40% of my reason for buying - I wanted to see how tiny.  Geeeeeezzzz.  This is smaller than small.  It's minute.  Below, I show it head to head with the smallest scale steamer I have, the Lionel 0-4-0 "Shifter" and then with the ATSF 3759, which looms over it like a loco from a different scale.

 

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L F T and 3759

 

But its does run. I had read somewhere that the motor is in the tender.  No, its in the loco, actually filling the cab below window height.   Not too large but enough that, a surprise to me, I can pull the three car set up a 3% slope.  Well, it can if it gets running start at least (as in the video) otherwise is just spins its wheels: enough power maybe, but traction is limited - it might be cast metal but its just so tiny . . .  Still it runs very slow if given only a bit of voltage if not entirely smoothly at its slowest, but smooths out nicely at speeds that look fast for it (its so tiny it looks to be traveling fast when not really) but are only about 20 mph scale.  It goes faster than I am comfortable with it going.  And it is not only small, it is delicate, too, or seems that way.  Almost fragile, I would think. 

The instruction manual is the shortest I have ever seen for a  modern loco: a single 8.5 x 11 sheet printed on both sides and folded to the normal size, which means with the cover in front and warranty on back there are just two pages left for instructions.  Still, they suffice because there is not much to know.  Put it on the track, connect the loco-tender tether, and vary the voltage to make it go different speeds.  There is no e-unit, but a convenient R-Off-F switch is under a magnetically latched hatch on the tender.  Keep it lubed.  That's it guys.  No smoke and no sound (and I mean no sound: no whistle, no bell).  But the headlight is bright and interesting - made to look like a lantern with the source of light well back behind the big glass shield in its box.  

I've posted a short video below.  It runs nicely, and looks quite good doing so.  Today is probably the only time I will ever run it, though unless I have a guest who really wants to see it run.  I repaint a lot of locos and I would like to have a "normal" tiny little early era loco like this, but I'm not about to repaint this and destroy the remarkable detailed photos, labels, funeral decorations, etc.  So it will sit on a shelf, I guess- that's what collectibles do, I think?  If I can get another, cheap, I'd repaint it and keep it on the layout in a part as if it were an old museum loco, but run it once in a while.  Maybe

Was it worth it?  I don't regret buying it, but it cost about what a top-grade Legacy steamer costs and if push came to shove I'd much rather have, say, the Leacy 3759 in the photo above than this set.  But, it's unique and interesting - so if you throw in the collectible novelty (notice I did not use the word "value" - I don't think that should really apply to collectibles) I suppose its a justifiable price.  I like having it here: I really wanted to get the feel of what early locos were like -- for some reason I am very intrigued by the fact that over half again as much time (90 years) elapsed between this little loco and the time period I model on my layout (1955) as has passed between then and now.  A lot of time and progress in that period.  This loco existing and ran, but wow - were they tiny, crude, but lovingly made back then.  And while my wife thinks the concept of a funeral train is bizarre, she loves the loco and tender with all their colors and intricate detail and brass bell and such, and with its real wood fuel load ("They should have used Lincoln Logs" she jokes).  

Edit: I really did upload and attach a video here (48 Mbyes of it), but it seems to have left it out even though I've done it twice.  I will try once more.  

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Nothing I can do.  This site is acting very weird today.  When I try to edit it now I get no pictures and only the first three lines of it: the rest is just not there.  The pictures are there for me when I display the thread but the video just says 'buffering" forever.

 

sorry about that guys - it took forever to load and it told me it had finished, etc.  The video file (as stored on my computer) works fine.  

 

No idea what the problem is . . .  this site has not been the same for the last week . . . 

Great review Lee. After reading your description I hardly need to see the photographs to know how beautifully this set is presented. Your words have painted a masterpiece in my mind. But I really would like to see them, so I hope that the forum gremlins hurry up and return to their netherworld home.

Nicely done set but the original funeral train most likely did not speed through areas so fast. I realize it's conventional and not TMCC or Legacy, but would enjoy seeing a video of it traveling as slowly as it can much as the real funeral train would have back then along its route so townsfolk would have gotten a good look rather than a rapid blur of the passsing cars and coffin inside?

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FUNERAL TRAIN 04

 

This is a photo of the engine it's based on. Judging by the size of the people, it IS tiny!

 

Lee, my family has dealt with Klein's for almost 50 years. My father worked for a local newspaper and handled their advertising account for many years. I go there on a regular basis. They have always been a great place to deal with, and have made a successful transition to the Internet Age. Owner Ted Klein is in his late 70s with no heirs- we are wondering what will happen to the place when he passes on.

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Originally Posted by Jim Sandman:

Lee,

 

That doesn't look like a 6ft plus scale size cab.  You gonna fix it too??

 

Seriously thanks for the comparision pics.  Really shows the size.

 

Jim

Believe it or not, it was one of the first things I measured.  I'm really interesting in these early, more primitive designs and how early locos evolved.  As modeled it has exactly a scale six feet ten and one half inches of headroom in the cab (I measured 1 23/32 inches from the inside of the cab roof to the molded cab floor along the back of the loco).  Apparently, the axle for the rearmost wheelset was only a scale foot of less below the cab floor.

 

Actually, this model has almost no headroom at all because the motor fills the the entire cab from below window height - it is exactly the diameter of the boiler out front and the attached engineer and fireman figures that come with it are only from the stomach up. 

 

Originally Posted by Jim Sandman:

 That doesn't look like a 6ft plus scale size cab.  You gonna fix it too?? 

The cab is measured from the floor--not the running board.

 

Great review, Lee. A very cool piece. Makes a great train, and is a real conversation starter.

 

Now if they would just do the Jupiter or the General (how she looks today) or Central Pacific 173, we'd be in tall cotton! The hobby is seriously lacking in motive power and rolling stock from the "Golden Era" of railroading in this country.

Originally Posted by RoyBoy:

I'd like to see a picture of it next to a Lionel general to compare sizes.

Here is a pciture of it with the "old timer" (as on the Lone Ranger set, etc.). This is not the 'General' from the newLCCA issue, of course.

Two Generals

  Note that the drivers are the same size on both.

 

And here is a close up I managed to get showing one of the honor guard and and a bit of the flag-draped coffin in the lead car.

Flag draped coffin

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Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
Originally Posted by Ron Blume:

$575 plus 14% @ Stout's Auctions last week...including the Add-ons!!!

That's a better price than I got, a really good price compared to what I paid, but then I don't do auctions - been snakebit too often.  

I respect that, but I enjoy the Auctions, and waiting a couple years or less often means I can buy 2 or 3 trains instead of one,...different strokes.  This apllies moreso to hot items, novelty trains, etc.  You kinda wait 'til people are taken up in the latest and greatest, and then swoop in like a vulture and buy that $2200 Acela for $900.  Seems the cheaper the price, the better the train seems to look and run...OPTICAL ILLUSIONS???

Lee,

 

Thanks for the comparison picture.  It's a shame that the can motors weren't in use back in '59.  Perhaps we would have had a 4-4-0 closer to scale.  Looking at the Generals I have, I guess the only way to fit the pullmore(sp) motor in them was to make them over-size.  Looking at the newest 4-4-0s that Lionel makes, they could probably downsize them to be close to scale, what with the can motor and small electronic e-unit.  Of course this would require all new tooling and not be backward compatible.  Such is life:>)

 

KC

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