20th Century Limited J3a Dreyfuss 5447 Wheels

If memory serves me correctly 10 J3-a's got the Dreyfuss streamlining treatment with 5 getting boxpoxs and 5 getting scullins.  Thoroughbreds by Alvin Stauffer has a lot of pictures of mix and match drivers on them while in service.

Photos here in both streamline and unstreamline versions.

https://nycshs.omeka.net/items...s=%235447&page=2

Pete

Awesome! Thank you for the info and pictures.

Pics show 5447 with Scullin discs, roller rods, and PT tender during wartime, …..I believe she received both the Scullin discs, & her PT tender while still in 20TH CENTURY LIMITED service,….maybe around 43??……& maybe all at the same shopping??……

Pat

As built in 1938, Dreyfuss hudsons 5445 to 5449 had boxpok drivers while locomives 5450 to 5454 had scullin disk drivers. Starting in early 1943, Dreyfuss Hudsons 5450, 5451, 5452, and 5453 received the first four pt tenders. However, in late 1943, 5450 suffered a boiler explosion that crippled the locomotive and rendered it inoperable for a year. When 5450 wrecked, it had a pt tender, scullin disk drivers and roller bearing side rods. I believe what happened was that in mid 1944, 5450's pt tender, drivers and rods were given to 5447 as it seams to have obtained both at the same time.

This link shows a wordpress documenting the NYC's pt tenders.

https://nycshs.files.wordpress...14/07/pt-tenders.pdf

Also, check out this site as it has many photographs of 5447 and hundreds of other locomotives. Just type the locomive's road number into the search bar to get photographs of a specific engine.

https://nycshs.omeka.net/searc...submit_search=Submit

5447 was later de-streamlined in 1947. Once 5450 returned to service, the locomotive could be seen with a selkirk boiler front and scullin disk drivers, but no roller bearing side rods and pt tender, instead being equipt with friction bearing side rods and standard j3a tender. 5450 would later receive a new pt tender and revert back to having a standard boiler front. There is no evidence that outside of 5447 any of the Dreyfuss hudsons ever received driver type swaps while shrouded. The empire state express hudsons are another situation entirely.

Lionel IS CORRECT to show 5447 with scullin disk drivers and I hope they don't change this. 5445 with streamlined tender for Mercury service should not have scullins however and I hope they do end up fixing this.

Also I do hope Mr. Muffin's custom run 5344 Dreyfuss hudson with streamlined tender for mercury service has scullin disk drivers and that the diagram is just incorrect.

-Cole

@J Class Hudson Fan posted:

Also I do hope Mr. Muffin's custom run 5344 Dreyfuss hudson with streamlined tender for mercury service has scullin disk drivers and that the diagram is just incorrect.

I am planning to write @MrMuffin'sTrains an email to ask about the wheels since the description mentions Scullin wheels. I am hoping the rendering is just inaccurate. I noticed it earlier this week since the rendering wasn’t out when I preordered.