I am an operator of postwar Lionel, and I was wondering if I could substitute the 224 roller type power pick up for the "flying shoe" that comes stock on the 1666 without modifying the frame...etc. I can't find any other difference in the two locos except the number. Not particularly worried about the collector value as much any potential gains from the operational side. Any advice on this one is appreciated...
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If you are talking about using parts from the 224 & 224E steam engines you should be able to do that and get good results from it. Just be careful putting the assembly back inside the bottom area as it can get pinched very quickly.
What looks like a piece of cardboard that holds the rollers in place will need to be changed over to the other roller type.
Lee Fritz
Removing the fiber pickup plate and installing a new one can be tricky. If anybody has tips on how to do that, I'd like to read about it.
Before you start, make certain the mounting tabs on the two plates are the same.
I don't think exchanging or adding a roller pick up to a 1666 will work. the fiber plates are not the same. slider assm has 4 retaining tabs, roller has 3 tabs. Also don't think the roller arms will clear the driving axles without shorting.
I have just heard from another source that confirms Chuck's take on the process. Just acquired the Greenberg Lionel Service Manual and do plan to order new pick up shoes from Olsen's and change out the old ones when they get worn. The tab locations on the supporting plates are different as well.
I used to collect Lionel Post War, and when I sold it (all) off, I kept my favorite engine: the 1666. Very handsome,quiet and smooth,and as it turns out,mine is one of the early releases with the blackened handrails...
Mark in Oregon
you might be able to use 229 roller pick-ups.
I don't know, I haven't tried it.
And if they snap in, you might have the clearance issue that Chuck mentioned.
Here is a link: 229-6
Custom bracket with post-war GP7 roller assembly. I have way too many hours in it, but it runs well.
Dave