3rd Rail E8/E9 Second Chance

I do believe the proposed 2nd run of E units is cancelled.  A bunch of people are backing out of their 1st run reservations and the apparently the standby list has dissappeared.

rdunniii posted:

 A bunch of people are backing out of their 1st run reservations 

Decidedly not cool! 

Really, once people see these they'll be sorry they cancelled. These locos are beautiful

rdunniii posted:

I do believe the proposed 2nd run of E units is cancelled.  A bunch of people are backing out of their 1st run reservations and the apparently the standby list has dissappeared.

Any known common reason people gave for cancelling reservations? Financial? A particular road's details i.e. Amtrak portholes? Etc....

WITZ 41 posted:

rdunniii posted:

I do believe the proposed 2nd run of E units is cancelled.  A bunch of people are backing out of their 1st run reservations and the apparently the standby list has dissappeared.

Any known common reason people gave for cancelling reservations? Financial? A particular road's details i.e. Amtrak portholes? Etc....

Nope.

Time for me to set aside my other layout priorities.  I will stop by the 3rd Rail booth, see for myself, and talk to Scott about possibilities for folks like me to slip in there with a first-run order to replace one of the canceled orders.  One can hope.

2nd Run E8s not cancelled. But some orders will be filled from first run no shows. Not at York. Bob and Jonathan are. Just landed at SFO from China.

Hi Scott

Am I too late in ordering the SAL E8.  Ordered 1 today on your site. Pls. let me know if I am on the list.. Thanks.

My best regards

Tommy

sdmann posted:

...... . If you are short on cash at the time, we have a layaway program for you.  ....

Scott Mann

What are the details of the layaway program?

Thanks, Matt

Matt01 posted:

sdmann posted:

...... . If you are short on cash at the time, we have a layaway program for you.  ....

Scott Mann

What are the details of the layaway program?

Thanks, Matt

I suggest you eMail Scott directly.

Scott posted them this morning here

Scott,

I know the E-8 run will be I assume the same roads as before. Sure would be nice to get a pair of these Frisco's if they could be added. I am sure there are many others that would like one, not sure if it would be enough. But I know I would order two tomorrow.

Look forward to the T&P and Missouri Pacific I ordered.

Don't tell Scott but I snuck out a photo of the ATSF unit;

Sorry, this is the only one I was able to get.

hmmmmm

RD posted:

Again thank you for the info Jack..I appreciate your help.

Now I just have to de-cipher Scotts order/ reservation pages to figure out which run / re-run of what has the AA that I need...

For what it's worth, I just returned from Berwyn's Hobby Shop, and the two Lionel CB&Q A-A units on the shelf are E7A units.

I would STRONGLY recommend the Sunset/3rd Rail E8A or E9A units, both powered, for your CZ train. The biggest difference between the E8A and E9A, as I mentioned above, will be the black front nose strips on the E8A models for pre-1960, vs. the red nose stripes on the E9A models for post 1960s.

Laidoffsick posted:

hmmmmm

WHAT???

Grab irons?

Grabs wrong color?

Non-existent road number?

Door kick plates?

WHAT??? C'mon, spit it out! 

Hot Water posted

For what it's worth, I just returned from Berwyn's Hobby Shop, and the two Lionel CB&Q A-A units on the shelf are E7A units.

I would STRONGLY recommend the Sunset/3rd Rail E8A or E9A units, both powered, for your CZ train. The biggest difference between the E8A and E9A, as I mentioned above, will be the black front nose strips on the E8A models for pre-1960, vs. the red nose stripes on the E9A models for post 1960s.

Jack, 

Thanks for the STRONG recommendation .. just got a confirmation e mail from Scott.. I'm in for a set of CB&Q  AA E8s .. the ones with the black nose stripes....

Those are also the wrong grabs in the nose

I thought all wheels/axels were powered?

Laidoffsick posted:

I thought all wheels/axels were powered?

I thought they were.

Well it may be geared but that front center axle is flangless. Looks like the rear truck is the same.

Laidoffsick posted:

Well it may be geared but that front center axle is flangless.

I noticed that, but it is a 3-Rail model, so it must be to allow for the tighter curves. But, I'm pretty sure that all the wheels/axles are indeed powered.

Scott, they are SUPER FINE. "Is it real or is it 3rd Rail" Wish I had a chance to visit when I lived in San Rafael. Worked for KTVU for 36 years. Did lots of train stories. Always wanted to see you and the trains. Should have done a Segment Two with 3rd Rail. I would have loved to see "The City of Miami" from you guys. Best of luck, Don

Yes these are great locomotives.  Matt

rdunniii posted:

Don't tell Scott but I snuck out a photo of the ATSF unit;

Sorry, this is the only one I was able to get.

I hope it was the only one built with all those grab irons (and in yellow!).

On the Erie Lackawanna version I hope the grabirons go up between the number board and headlight

Will we get a notice that they are in?

Number 90 posted:

rdunniii posted:

Don't tell Scott but I snuck out a photo of the ATSF unit;

Sorry, this is the only one I was able to get.

I hope it was the only one built with all those grab irons (and in yellow!).

Sticking yellow grab irons on a pretty face like that is like the homecoming queen breaking out with a pimple attack the night before the prom.  

Break out the Clearasil then

It was a mandated safety thing with SF, done in the 60's. So it is correct.

Now lets talk if the winterization hatch is the correct height, looks to short to me, MY SF diagram book shows it to be  9 3/16 " high looks like 9".  How could they miss this is some one a sleep at SS 3rd rail?

I have  6 of these on order, what do I do now. Send them back?

Bob

You should probably take a look at some more photos and see "exactly" what was painted on the nose grab irons. Mandated safety yellow, yes.... the entire grab iron including the bolt detail? Ummmm, NO

See photos half way up this thread, center shot of the trio ;-)

Laidoffsick posted:

I thought all wheels/axels were powered?

All axles are powered.  This was the factory sample that we had at the York Show.

With a horizontal drive it sort of has to be powered but are the center wheels flanged or blind?

They are blind on the center wheels because it wouldn't turn on an 072 curve otherwise.  I know from experience in changing out blind drivers on scale 6 axle locomotives.

It's a little disappointing to see all the hysterics on a model that hasn't even shipped yet.  It is wonderful model and by far is the best diesel release I've seen to date.  It is heavy, robust, and looks a looks like a real E8.  No other model I've seen in plastic O has the true feel of an E8 quite like this one. 

Hot Water posted:

RD posted:

Again thank you for the info Jack..I appreciate your help.

Now I just have to de-cipher Scotts order/ reservation pages to figure out which run / re-run of what has the AA that I need...

For what it's worth, I just returned from Berwyn's Hobby Shop, and the two Lionel CB&Q A-A units on the shelf are E7A units.

I would STRONGLY recommend the Sunset/3rd Rail E8A or E9A units, both powered, for your CZ train. The biggest difference between the E8A and E9A, as I mentioned above, will be the black front nose strips on the E8A models for pre-1960, vs. the red nose stripes on the E9A models for post 1960s.

Another difference is that the CB&Q E8 is the painted side version, while the E9 has the stainless side panels on the model versions. 

Blue Streak posted:

Scott,

I know the E-8 run will be I assume the same roads as before. Sure would be nice to get a pair of these Frisco's if they could be added. I am sure there are many others that would like one, not sure if it would be enough. But I know I would order two tomorrow.

Look forward to the T&P and Missouri Pacific I ordered.

I would order these "Cat Whisker" Thouroughbred as well... so long as they are different numbers/names than the JD Trains issue.

Come on Jonathan, do you think this model would be immune to any critiques before it shipped. Have you read the Atlas F7 thread? Customers havent received their Atlas SF F7s either, but when errors are obvious what do you expect people to do? When you market road specific details we expect them to be correct, whether its $400 or $600.

It's amazing that a Google search doesn't turn up an Santa Fe E8 engineer's side photo, but it looks like at least on the F-units, the grabs were red:

And the PA's:

Rusty

Laidoffsick posted:

Come on Jonathan, do you think this model would be immune to any critiques before it shipped. Have you read the Atlas F7 thread? Customers havent received their Atlas SF F7s either, but when errors are obvious what do you expect people to do? When you market road specific details we expect them to be correct, whether its $400 or $600.

All I'm saying is that this unit is 99% correct and yet this forum has become so negative, many focus on the 1% that is in error.