3rd Rail Sunset E5-6 run 2 reservations now closed (May 5) - Standby Reservations Available

@shasta posted:

Another vote for the city of LA

I'm in for both! I'm a sucker for Armour Yellow.

@TrainBub posted:

I’d like to see the E3/4s but…….  
😑😑😑Another Campaign that is pushed out to somewhere in the future 😖😖😖 Can the 5-6 molds be modified for the differences ??? That would be extremely advantageous (less $) as fewer roads bought the 3-4s. This means smaller audience to buy and that translates to lower #s for the run.

E3's, E4's and E6's were essentially the same externally.  The only thing the E4 had externally the 3's and 6's didn't have externally was the retractable nose door.  Of course, the E5 had the stainless steel fluting, letterboard and smaller side windows.

Rusty

Put in a reservation for a 3 rail "Demo"! Hope it gets done!!

Matt

@Rusty Traque posted:

E3's, E4's and E6's were essentially the same externally.  The only thing the E4 had externally the 3's and 6's didn't have externally was the retractable nose door.  Of course, the E5 had the stainless steel fluting, letterboard and smaller side windows.

Rusty

I know about the door on the E4. Jonathan commented earlier in thread about roof details differing.  Did I misunderstand ?

Pictures/references just don’t focus on roof details but ……What I can see …..              1) 3rd Rail E6 pic shows most roof details       2) Key Models pic “Early E” has less details in same area as 1 but numbered as E6 #7002. I wonder if numbering incorrect and is really E3 #7000
3) zoom of E3 #7000 in St. Louis - blurry but looks like details match #2

photos in reverse order. Zoom went in small - don’t know why.   I don’t know if this is accurate. These are just my observations.   🤔

Feedback will be interesting.  🙂

Cheers !!!

@20centuryhudson posted:

hoping for GGD to make cars for the city of SF and LA

They make great looking trains with those raised areas running the length of the cars.

@TrainBub posted:

I know about the door on the E4. Jonathan commented earlier in thread about roof details differing.  Did I misunderstand ?

The roof vents on the E3/E4 are different than the E6.  The E6 share the style of venting with the E7.

@Rusty Traque posted:

Especially since the 9911 Silver Pilot is the ONLY surviving E5 and the only locomotive to leave scrapper Pielet Brothers as a locomotive and not as a pile of scrap metal.

Rusty

I don't even model the CB&Q but if 9911A was offered I'd probably order it, especially with the black nose stripes.

@GG1 4877 posted:

The roof vents on the E3/E4 are different than the E6.  The E6 share the style of venting with the E7.

Did my pix above correctly spot this ?

Do we know if CBQ 5 red version will include later details, brow grabs, nose grabs?

@Alco244 posted:

Do we know if CBQ 5 red version will include later details, brow grabs, nose grabs?

Yes, as per prototype (CB&Q late maintenance grab irons).

@SANTIAGOP23  &    Scott Mann @sdmann

The 3rd Rail website still does not provide many details about the CB&Q E5 A & B units.  

I already have E5A #9915A Silver CARRIER in Black stripes and E5B 9910B Silver POWER from 3rd Rail’s 1st run of the E5 models.

From the 2nd Run, I have an E5A with Black stripes, an E5A with Red stripes, and another E5B in order.  

I need to know what specific units are offered so that I can personally choose my road numbers & SILVER names.

Ideally, I want an E5A #9910A Silver SPEED to match my Run 1 E5B #9910B Silver POWER.  That is how those 2 prototypical units were delivered from EMD to CB&Q.

I also want a set of E5A #9911A Silver PILOT & E5B #9911B Silver MATE

Please provide an update on the CB&Q E5 models.  

BLACK STRIPE Versions

What are the available SILVER Names ?

What are the available road numbers ?

Are the truck skirts included with the black versions ?

RED STRIPE Versions

What are the available SILVER Names ?

What are the available road numbers ?

If the trucks skirts are not included with the red version, can the truck skirts be purchased as separate items ?

Any other details that are not mentioned here ?

Thanks in advance !!!

@SANTIAGOP23 & Scott @sdmann

I just rechecked the 3RD Rail website.  

The only details are the BLACK & RED nose versions with no clarity on what exactly that means.

I like the photo of the E5A #9910A Silver SPEED.  So with Silver Speed in your advertisement, can we customers justifiably rely on that road number & silver name being offered ?

Please update us with the E5 details for both BLACK & RED versions.

Thanks in advance !!!

@TrainBub posted:

When time gets close I start sending in partial payments. That way it’s not so painful to make a Big Payment All At Once. Anyway, it works well for me.
Cheers !!!

For me, I set up an on-line savings account and do a "sweep in" prior to the next paycheck. This way by the time the item arrives, I have full payment in hand! No cc debt for this stuff anymore!

Right now I have enough for the slumber and working my way towards the p42's and the superliner 1's and finally [if not cancelled] the second run of the Broadway Ltd!

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

For me, i set up an on-line savings account and do a sweep in prior to the mext paycheck. This way by the time the item arrives, I have full payment in hand! No cc debt for this stuff anymore!

Right now i have enough for the slumber and working my way towards the p42's and the superliner 1's and finally [if not cancelled] the second run of the Broadway Ltd!

What a “problem”!!!! So many great offerings !!!!! 😜😜😜

@SANTIAGOP23, @sdmann, @GG1 4877, @Rusty Traque, @TrainBub, @vash44, @BlueFeather, @Rob Leese, @rdunniii, @CBQer

Scott Mann, Santiago, Jonathon, & 3RD Rail Team:

Please see attached table of road numbers & Silver NAMES for CB&Q E5A & E5B diesel locomotives.  

As you can see, there are only 4 prototypical Silver NAMES for Phase II E5A locomotives:
  Silver ARROW        #9914-A  CB&Q
  Silver SWIFT          #9914-B   CB&Q
  Silver CARRIER      #9915-A   CB&Q
  Silver CLIPPER      #9915-B    CB&Q

All of these Silver NAMES (with associated road numbers) were previously used in 3RD Rail's Run 1 of your E5A models.  

Although there are a few prototypical differences between the Phase I & Phase II E5A units, they are nearly identical for all practical purposes.  Most O-gauge modelers won't be able to tell the difference.  Those who can tell the difference will gladly overlook the differences.

Prototype E5A Silver Pilot #9911-A is a Phase I E5A and is the only E5 still in existence.  All of the E5B & Phase II E5As were scrapped.  

O-gauge CB&Q fans will LOVE 3RD Rail for producing the Silver Pilot even with the Phase II tooling.  

So please produce the following in your Run 2 E5A:
  Silver PILOT    #9911-A   CB&Q
  Silver SPEED   #9910-A   CB&Q

These will be fresh offerings in 3-rail O-gauge, never before available.  A FIRST for 3RD Rail.  You will all be HEROS to O-gauge Zephyr fans !!!

Also, the inclusion of one of your Run 1 E5A models with the Silver SPEED name & #9910-A road number implies that 3RD Rail is offering this as an option.  Your website & Ads have no disclaimers to the contrary.

The other Phase I E5A names are:
  Silver BULLET     #9909        CB&Q
  Silver METEOR   #9912-A     CB&Q
  Silver WINGS     #9913         CB&Q
  Silver RACER      #9950-A      C&S
  Silver CHIEF       #9980-A      FW&D

Thanks in advance !!!

@SANTIAGOP23, @sdmann, @GG1 4877, @Rusty Traque, @TrainBub, @vash44, @BlueFeather, @Rob Leese, @rdunniii, @CBQer

Here are my photos of the number board & name boards from E5A Silver PILOT #9911-A at Illinois Railway Museum on 09/18/2016.  

Please see my separate post & thread for more photos of Silver PILOT & the Nebraska Zephyr titled:

"CB&Q E5A #9911A Silver PILOT 09/18/2022"

Thanks in advance !!!

I have my E5AB set ordered already.  If I could get every wish fulfilled the units would come as FW&D 9980A Silver Chief and 9980B Silver Warrior (inspiring names, eh?) and they would additionally wear the small zephyr lettering TEXAS ZEPHYR   like the prototype.  But I ain't complaining if they do not.

Hi @Rob Leese

I agree with you that FW&D’s names Silver CHIEF & Silver WARRIOR are wonderful E5 names which evoke imagery of “Everywhere West”.

Although TZ decals in O scale are not commercially available, Microscale does have an HO set of CB&Q E5 decals with all of the names & numbers and the Texas Zephyr lettering (set 87-581).

Microscale also makes decal paper for use with laser printers.  

So if you are decal inclined, you could make an enlarged copy of the HO decals onto decal paper .  

(1/48) / (1/87) = (87/48) = 1.81 Scale Factor

I am an out-of-the-Box guy and have no direct experience with application of decals onto models.  I would probably damage my model in the process & end up with a Frankenstein’s E5 !!!   Silver MONSTER !!!

SCOTT IM IN FOR SILVER PILOT  9911-A

@CBQ_Bill. Yeah, the HO people have it all. I have made enlargements of HO decals. It is easy if the decal paper has a white background. Many decal sets have a blue backing, and I do not have the software to capture text from a picture file.  Lately I have bought an inexpensive Zephyr font to make decal sets using MS Publisher.  I think I have shared some of these as .pdf files on other threads.  In keeping with this 3rd-Rail subject I have not tried to modify the E5 set I already have…there is no way to improve upon them. !!

Hi All,

Santiago and Jonathan will no doubt select a variety of names/numbers for the E5s based on your input. But we can't offer all names for just a few models made. And we can't promise names/numbers because they are made in such low quantities. I have resisted breaking out SKUs for each engine name, as it makes the logistics of repairing/replacing/delivering the exact name/number that multiple customer would want. So I don't see how I can change this issue on this project either. But we take suggestions with the orders and try to make those names / numbers that a few customers requested and we randomly pick name/numbers for the remaining orders. We just can't do this for all orders, it's just not possible.

Hi Scott @sdmann, Jonathon @GG1 4877 ,  & Santiago @SANTIAGOP23 :

Thank you for the update !

My order is through Chicagoland Hobby.

My requests are:

BLACK Stripes

E5A  #9911-A  Silver PILOT

E5B  #9911-B  Silver MATE

RED Stripes

E5A  #9910-A  Silver SPEED

I also want to purchase an extra set of truck skirts for my red-striped E5A.

Thanks in advance !!!

I like Greg at Chicagoland. I hope he communicates your order details to us as we don't know who the order is for.

just roughly, what would be a projected on the water date for these if all goes reasonably well?  Or a range perhaps.  thanks Scott

The E5/E6 project is a gap filling rerun. When the factory has a gap in production, we put it in. I can't say when that would happen exactly. I hope this year. I've asked to start it, and they are considering the timing based on their current projects. But when that time comes, I will post that reservations are closing in a few weeks, and that will be that.

@sdmann posted:

The E5/E6 project is a gap filling rerun. When the factory has a gap in production, we put it in. I can't say when that would happen exactly. I hope this year. I've asked to start it, and they are considering the timing based on their current projects. But when that time comes, I will post that reservations are closing in a few weeks, and that will be that.

Thanks for a heads up on this Scott. Do the brass steam offerings have their own “flows” or are they in the same Q as the plastic models ? Just wondering how they “fit”.
Though the Mlk. Rd. EP3 and SD40-2 Might be high in the Q, there are no “reservations closing soon” notices.  And somewhere in the mix , the E5,6s.
The EA E1s will be finishing soon. 😜  I’m just curious if my wallet will catch a breather after the the EA E1s. 🤔

I totally understand the budget situation. I don't want anyone to skip an order because it came it too fast or all at once. We offer 3 month layaways on most projects and longer if one has orders from several projects coming together.

Here's what I see for production scheduling in the next 12 months.  The delay between finishing and arrival is about 2 months.

VGN Battleship Gondolas are Done, Coming in May/June.

EA/E1 - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw - Hiawatha 2.0 Cars - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw EP3 - Production Finished August. Tooling Done, samples coming in 30 days. We have 85 reservations and we are making 100 units, so reservations will remain open until they are filled.

E5/E6 - I think it will start in May, finished in August / September

1948 20th Century Cars - Starting in May, Finished in August / September

SD40-2 - It will start in September and finish in Dec/Jan. Design almost finished.

C&O Chessie Cars - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

1948 Broadway Ltd - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

Steam engines are not getting enough orders to start. I don't think there's much we can do to change that.

FAs in 2023

P42 Genesis in 2023

RDC Rerun, GP79 and SD 79, Rerun and new announcements coming this year, will be produced 2023.

All other projects are in the planning stages.

That's what I know. I hope the information helps.

Scott Mann

Wow !!!!!! 👍👍👍👏👏👏🙂🙂🙂        Yes Sir !!! 😜  That Helps SO MUCH !!!    (And I bet just not me 🤔)

Cheers !!!

@sdmann posted:

I totally understand the budget situation. I don't want anyone to skip an order because it came it too fast or all at once. We offer 3 month layaways on most projects and longer if one has orders from several projects coming together.

Here's what I see for production scheduling in the next 12 months.  The delay between finishing and arrival is about 2 months.

VGN Battleship Gondolas are Done, Coming in May/June.

EA/E1 - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw - Hiawatha 2.0 Cars - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw EP3 - Production Finished August. Tooling Done, samples coming in 30 days. We have 85 reservations and we are making 100 units, so reservations will remain open until they are filled.

E5/E6 - I think it will start in May, finished in August / September

1948 20th Century Cars - Starting in May, Finished in August / September

SD40-2 - It will start in September and finish in Dec/Jan. Design almost finished.

C&O Chessie Cars - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

1948 Broadway Ltd - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

Steam engines are not getting enough orders to start. I don't think there's much we can do to change that.

FAs in 2023

P42 Genesis in 2023

RDC Rerun, GP79 and SD 79, Rerun and new announcements coming this year, will be produced 2023.

All other projects are in the planning stages.

That's what I know. I hope the information helps.

Scott Mann

Can't wait for the Chessie Cars and battleship gondolas. By any chance, are there any future plans for different rolling stock?

Nice! Answered my question @sdmann! when will the EA/E1's be done..Thanks this is my 1st 3rd rail and Im super pumped

Would someone please confirm for me that these 3rd Rail E5/6s will operate on O54 Gargraves curves.

Thanks in advance.

Tom

Eventhough our diesels are designed for 072 and larger 3 rail track, we have a 90 degree turn in Atlas 054, and all our engines go through it just fine. But a turnout, S curve or Switch in 054 might be a problem.

Ref above sdmann post.

Good ... on the O54 for my 90 degree Gargrave track turns on my layout.

My turnouts are all Ross Superline O72, plus paired Ross Superline 11 degree turnouts connecting my two Gargrave oval sets of tracks, and lastly I have a pair of Ross Superline O72/O96 curved switches at one end of my layout.  So, now comfortable going ahead with one of the 3rd Rail E5/6s.

Tom

@sdmann posted:

I totally understand the budget situation. I don't want anyone to skip an order because it came it too fast or all at once. We offer 3 month layaways on most projects and longer if one has orders from several projects coming together.

Here's what I see for production scheduling in the next 12 months.  The delay between finishing and arrival is about 2 months.

VGN Battleship Gondolas are Done, Coming in May/June.

EA/E1 - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw - Hiawatha 2.0 Cars - Production Finished May 15th.

Milw EP3 - Production Finished August. Tooling Done, samples coming in 30 days. We have 85 reservations and we are making 100 units, so reservations will remain open until they are filled.

E5/E6 - I think it will start in May, finished in August / September

1948 20th Century Cars - Starting in May, Finished in August / September

SD40-2 - It will start in September and finish in Dec/Jan. Design almost finished.

C&O Chessie Cars - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

1948 Broadway Ltd - Begin in September Finish in Dec.

Steam engines are not getting enough orders to start. I don't think there's much we can do to change that.

FAs in 2023

P42 Genesis in 2023

RDC Rerun, GP79 and SD 79, Rerun and new announcements coming this year, will be produced 2023.

All other projects are in the planning stages.

That's what I know. I hope the information helps.

Scott Mann

OK But What about the Superliner1 and the rerun of Amfleet I and Viewliners? Inquiring minds want to know!

Re: 054 curves and just something to think about.  054 is roughly equivalent to 15" radius in HO.  In comparison, 18" radius curves in HO (which are pretty much the standard minimum) are roughly equivalent to 65" diameter curves in O.

054 is a 54" diameter circle. 27" radius. Very small radius for scale engines.

Fantasy names? Skirts on red stripes E5s?

In the meantime, I’m here wondering why C&Ss 9955, former 9914-A SILVER ARROW never got a complete set of Q maintenance nose grabs... the other side of “passion”, I guess.

Photo credits Steve Goen

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Fantasy names? Skirts on red stripes E5s?

In the meantime, I’m here wondering why C&Ss 9955, former 9914-A SILVER ARROW never got a complete set of Q maintenance nose grabs... the other side of “passion”, I guess.

Photo credits Steve Goen

I think if one looks long and hard, you’ll find exceptions to any “rule”.

Factory signed the Purchase Order for the E5s and E6s. They will be next in production after the EA/E1 project is finished in May.  We will be closing reservations May 1st. Stand by orders are accepted after that and we will continue to add to the production list until the factory says, 'No More'.  So don't delay if you want something from that project.

Again, thank you all for your support and interest in our Fine Scale models.