I just saw this ad in another magazine.
Jan
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Now that is something to cheer about thanks Scott
Sweet! I've always liked these
Well, now I have something to buy........
Arrgggg.....I swore off buying anything new. But this is one I can't pass up..........price???
How about one of the Alco diesel-hydraulics instead - the DH643 (or C-643DH)? More successful that the K-M's, they were better suited to abusive and abrasive US railroad practices. The K-M's were a touch Euro-delicate. (In the interests of accuracy, the Alcos also used a German-made Voith transmission as part of the drive train; I still think that a beefed-up Chrysler 727 TorqueFlite automatic would have done the job...)
They - the DH643's - were nicknamed "Alcohaulics" (so delightfully politically incorrect now) as they could "empty the yard".
(Or, better yet, Scott, how about my NYC R-2 electric instead of either of them? It's still on my reserved list, now along with my ERR kits.)
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I expect between 650-750ish. This based on the price of the E units which should be of similar size and detail.
I just saw the ad also. Personally, not for me, but I do remember seeing more than a few people ask for this model.
I now hope the people who asked/requested someone to make this step up and order.
Charlie
Boy are they UGLY!!!! However, if one models the D&RGW and/or the SP in the early to mid-1960s, certainly must-have models.
Yes. I'm in.
Hot Water posted:Boy are they UGLY!!!! However, if one models the D&RGW and/or the SP in the early to mid-1960s, certainly must-have models.
Don't think you'll get any argument about that! How many versions can they produce for those that requested them? Two? Will that cover the tooling? Heaven forbid this scheme is included!
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I've always thought they were pretty cool, especially the Rio Grande version. Something different. Of course, anyone wanting one will probably have to wait about 3 years before they actually show up. 
A very interesting development.... I wonder how they are going to get an accurate sound set, in either DCC or TMCC? Record SP9010 at Niles Canyon??
Did the SP later buy the Grande units?
Did these units "force" the locomotive makers here in thw US to up horsepower and make their traction motors and electricals more robust?
Dominic Mazoch posted:Did the SP later buy the Grande units?
Don't remember.
Did these units "force" the locomotive makers here in thw US to up horsepower and make their traction motors and electricals more robust?
You ARE kidding, right? That hydraulic drive was not all that successful, otherwise all diesel units would have been going with hydraulic drive transmissions.
Hot Water posted:Dominic Mazoch posted:Did the SP later buy the Grande units?
Don't remember.
Did these units "force" the locomotive makers here in thw US to up horsepower and make their traction motors and electricals more robust?
You ARE kidding, right? That hydraulic drive was not all that successful, otherwise all diesel units would have been going with hydraulic drive transmissions.
Yes, SP bought the Rio Grande units:
And notice the 3 units SP bought new had a different light array than the 3 Rio Grande units:
Rusty
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AMCDave posted:Arrgggg.....I swore off buying anything new. But this is one I can't pass up..........price???
Probably look forward to a $700.00+ per unit price range.
prrhorseshoecurve posted:AMCDave posted:Arrgggg.....I swore off buying anything new. But this is one I can't pass up..........price???
Probably look forward to a $700.00+ per unit price range.
According to the 3rd Rail website MSRP is $1199.95.
http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#ML4000
Wow, that seems a little out of the ballpark now. Wonder if Scott Mann can offer insight as to why such a high price compared to other ABS diesel offerings.
TexasSP posted:Wow, that seems a little out of the ballpark now. Wonder if Scott Mann can offer insight as to why such a high price compared to other ABS diesel offerings.
Likely because the costs can only be spread over 2 road names.
2-3/4 if you count the SP lettered Rio Grande units.
Rusty
Other plastic body diesel units are produced in the 500 or so unit range. These things won't be produced in that number.
TexasSP posted:Wow, that seems a little out of the ballpark now. Wonder if Scott Mann can offer insight as to why such a high price compared to other ABS diesel offerings.
Well, just my opinion:
1) These unit models will require a VERY special carbody, which looks like no other diesel model ever made. Remember all those models of SD7 and SD9 units, all were pretty much the same except for handrail stanchions, and various railroad specific light packages.
2) These models will have VERY specialized trucks. Again, trucks that have never been made previously in O Scale, and NOT comparable to any other O Scale diesel model.
3) The specific details between the D&RGW models and the SP models are numerous and complex for the builder.
4) Scott will NOT be able to "re-run" these models to represent ANY OTHER non-steam locomotive!
Excellent! Is brass an option?
Hot Water posted:TexasSP posted:Wow, that seems a little out of the ballpark now. Wonder if Scott Mann can offer insight as to why such a high price compared to other ABS diesel offerings.
Well, just my opinion:
1) These unit models will require a VERY special carbody, which looks like no other diesel model ever made. Remember all those models of SD7 and SD9 units, all were pretty much the same except for handrail stanchions, and various railroad specific light packages.
2) These models will have VERY specialized trucks. Again, trucks that have never been made previously in O Scale, and NOT comparable to any other O Scale diesel model.
3) The specific details between the D&RGW models and the SP models are numerous and complex for the builder.
4) Scott will NOT be able to "re-run" these models to represent ANY OTHER non-steam locomotive!
Fair enough. I am in for 1 for sure, debating 2. These have a special place for me in memories of stories told by my grandfather from when they came in through the Port of Houston.
Bob posted:
Wow!.....seems I can keep my 'no new trains' promise after all......oh well.
But thanks for info
What this hobby needs is a Ingalls 4-S, humm the Krauss is almost close enough to kit bash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingalls_4-S
Bogie
Hot Water posted:Boy are they UGLY!!!! However, if one models the D&RGW and/or the SP in the early to mid-1960s, certainly must-have models.
How true! But it's nice to see someone roll the dice and do something different. How many more F3/GPnn/SD9/PA1s do we need?
The one thing I'm not a fan off so far is "die cast tucks
SANTIAGOP23 posted:The one thing I'm not a fan off so far is "die cast tucks
I'm pretty sure that Scott does NOT use die cast trucks on his locomotive models.
I'd love a Rio Grande one, but while the price is understandable, it's just too high for me.
We looked into brass as an option for the VGN EL-2b. It would have made the pair about $3000, out of the question IMHO. There is a reason why all brass diesels are priced the way they are. There is no magic, they are very expensive to make in brass.
Our team (3D Design, Tooling, Production) is very good at taking an ABS body and loading it with brass castings and details that very closely match all brass models of late.
The fact that this model will have limited appeal, SP, D&RGW and a few guys that just like the ugliest thing around, we expect to get about 200 orders only. Design and Tooling are what drive the unit price. Sorry if that puts this out of the ball park for some.
Scott - China
Hot Water posted:SANTIAGOP23 posted:The one thing I'm not a fan off so far is "die cast tucks
I'm pretty sure that Scott does NOT use die cast trucks on his locomotive models.
We all know that, which is precisely why I pointed it out duh!
SANTIAGOP23 posted:Hot Water posted:SANTIAGOP23 posted:The one thing I'm not a fan off so far is "die cast tucks
I'm pretty sure that Scott does NOT use die cast trucks on his locomotive models.
We all know that, which is precisely why I pointed it out duh!
Except, this is the 027 Trains Forum, thus "pointing it out" may fall on deaf ears.
Dominic Mazoch posted:Did the SP later buy the Grande units?
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Hot Water posted:SANTIAGOP23 posted:Hot Water posted:SANTIAGOP23 posted:The one thing I'm not a fan off so far is "die cast tucks
I'm pretty sure that Scott does NOT use die cast trucks on his locomotive models.
We all know that, which is precisely why I pointed it out duh!
Except, this is the 027 Trains Forum, thus "pointing it out" may fall on deaf ears.
Doesn’t change the fact that Sunset is still advertising them with “die-cast trucks”
Can you make it other railroad schemes like Santa Fe, Great Northern, Milwaukee Road, Union Pacific?
Andrew
falconservice posted:Can you make it other railroad schemes like Santa Fe, Great Northern, Milwaukee Road, Union Pacific?
Andrew
The last time I looked, 3rd Rail doesn't do fantasy paint schemes.
Rusty
None of those are accurate schemes and 3rd rail has not typically done fantasy schemes. I believe the draw for these will be those looking for accuracy and not fantasy paint.
OldBogie posted:What this hobby needs is a Ingalls 4-S, humm the Krauss is almost close enough to kit bash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingalls_4-S
Bogie
Ed Reutling is smiling on you in heaven. 
I guess making the K-M proves that much of the O scale market is driven by big or eclectic locomotives.
The lowly SD40-2 got no respect in O scale regardless of how much tonnage it pulled or how nice it rides. 
