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Hello:

Am much relieved that my 682 is again in excellent running condition (though I'm still confounded that the mere act of removing the shell, semi-disassembling and checking the smoke unit that looked to have no blockages or issues to begin with, resulted in it smoking perfectly upon re-assembly). Hopefully my kid's art glue continues to hold the rivets in place...

At any rate, I am still not sure which position--elbow "up" or elbow "down"--is correct for the unique 682 side linkages. The tandem-associates.com page shows the 682 with linkage elbow "up" but the original Lionel illustrated catalog shows the "down" elbow position.

Further confusing the situation: In a dour moment recently when my 682 smoker wasn't working and I couldn't get the linkage rivets to stay in the holes of the shell, I flirted with the idea of buying a 682 from the proclaimed "King of Turbines" on the popular auction site and dumping mine. I noted the 682 he was/is offering for what seems to be a premium price has the linkage elbow "up" on one side, but curiously, "down" on the other--see attached photo. I sent him a message to point out the discrepancy and to ask him which of the two is correct. We got into a back-and-forth which resulted in him telling me that I do not understand the physics of it; that the elbow is supposed to be "up" on one side while it is "down" on the other...

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I say that elbow "up" is always going to be elbow "up" and I advised that he observe each side of his 682 in operation to see that he has the two linkages oriented differently, though he says he's the expert and I do not understand "basic physics."

One of us is crazy, though I'm pretty sure it isn't me!

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Jeff B. Haertlein posted:

Mine is like the example on the right, and that is the way it came.

It came wrong.

Bob posted:

For what it's worth, the prototype PRR S2 was elbow down on both sides.

 Y'all can arrange your toy S-2 anyway you please, but there is no debate, the oiler linkage was designed to be "elbow down", and was built that way.  It's odd that anyone would argue the point with prototype photos & drawings to refer to.

Every unmolested 682 or later 8404 I’ve seen has always had the Oiler linkage hinge point facing up, like Tony mentioned, the truck would get all tangled up in that mess if it were down, running on tighter radius track.....I think what may confuse some folks is the way it’s printed in the service publications.....I’ve always aimed them upwards....it’s just the way I remember them being.......PatDD89E5EE-B8A4-4F41-86D4-E1740842AAD07D7405C4-C41E-4722-B614-C8E4390D2DA9

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Speaking from recent experience my 682 likes elbows up. Two weeks ago I disassembled the 682 for repair to the smoke unit. I reassembled with elbows down and it did indeed foul the front truck at tight curves. DC CA I think your assumption of physics is correct...perhaps the gentleman runs that 682 on left hand curves exclusively.

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