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Edit: The discount expired and was only active for a few hours this afternoon.

Not sure if this type of post is okay here, but Amazon has 40% off some Lionel sets right now. Polar Express, Thomas, a few LionChief starters. I think the Polar Express might be an older set from a year or two ago but at $270 shipped it seemed like a good deal.

Might be some good deals on Christmas gifts or starter sets if anyone is looking.

And if anyone thinks that is a bad price and that I’m an idiot please let me know - just getting back into O Gauge again now that I have a house and kid etc. 😊

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@G3750 posted:

It's nice, but please do think about supporting your local hobby shop.

It would be great to have them around the next time you need advice or service. 

A very merry Christmas to all!

George

Oh absolutely. I’m lucky enough to have a LHS 15 minutes away and I do buy from them regularly. Buying $900 in track and switches from them soon.

@Bruce Brown posted:

I tested this out at the Amazon site. It came to $209 (!!!!) in my cart which is an amazing price. ($139 discount off an already discounted price). I didn't actually buy it but this is one of the best deals I've seen in a long time.

I picked up Thomas and Polar Express. Went back for the Super Chief… Seems like too good of a deal to pass up.

G3750 makes a lot of sense. Please support your local train shop. Nothing beats having a train shop locally were you can walk into and visit with the owner and other customers. Just think if it wasn't there. Being able to see new product as it becomes available is a plus. Having someone available to repair trains is another plus. There are so many pluses to having a local train shop.

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Thank you Greg for the post. I purchased the Santa Fe Superchief set for my grandson...so hopefully I will have planted a seed (and he will become familiar with his local hobby shop).  A starter set that spreads the hobby, no matter the source,  I think is a winner for everyone....think 'add on cars', 'track expansion'.....?  Incredibly...the $139.00 'coupon savings' was considered taxable at 6 percent (Maryland)!

@G3750 posted:

It's nice, but please do think about supporting your local hobby shop.

It would be great to have them around the next time you need advice or service. 

A very merry Christmas to all!

George

So true to make an attempt to support your local hobby shop.  That sentiment and message would be more effective if directed to Lionel; who instead of selling within their own dealer network rather "dumped" these sets to sell through Amazon's portal and drop/direct ship from their Carolina base.  This Lionel-Amazon practice isn't the first time and likely won't be the last.

However, maybe Lionel did offer the sets at reduced or blowout prices to their dealers and either those dealers did not buy all or enough, but Lionel had stock on hand that they obviously wanted to convert to sales during the peak train buying season which is harder to find fault as long as there were no hiccups in their dealer/company/manufacturer ordering/manufacturing system.

@Trainfamily posted:

And if I do, will Lion Chief run with a ZW transformer, or TMCC controls, or my still in the box Legacy system?

I run Lion Chief (1st generation) with a ZW but you must use the Lion Chief remote or a smart phone. 1st Generation Lion Chief will not work with the TMCC CAB-1 nor Legacy  #991 CAB-2 Remote Controller hand-helds.

The Amazon sale for all starter sets has been discontinued.

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So if I have my Christmas floor loops set up to use TMCC Cab1 in conventional mode, can I use that to send power to the track and then use the Lion Chief remote or Bluetooth to to operate a Lion Chief PE?

I am still trying to figure some of this out after running Pre War and PW trains with standard transformers for 60 years before starting the upgrade transition last year. It's been quite a ride



Thank you



David

@Keystone posted:

So true to make an attempt to support your local hobby shop.  That sentiment and message would be more effective if directed to Lionel; who instead of selling within their own dealer network rather "dumped" these sets to sell through Amazon's portal and drop/direct ship from their Carolina base.  This Lionel-Amazon practice isn't the first time and likely won't be the last.

However, maybe Lionel did offer the sets at reduced or blowout prices to their dealers and either those dealers did not buy all or enough, but Lionel had stock on hand that they obviously wanted to convert to sales during the peak train buying season which is harder to find fault as long as there were no hiccups in their dealer/company/manufacturer ordering/manufacturing system.

They undoubtedly just put a bunch of trains in the hands of people who have no clue what or where a hobby store is. Mission Accomplished.

People will see toys with a huge discount and buy it just because it’s a deal.  
And if it’s a dud out of the box like so many of them are these days, Amazon will gladly take it back, no questions asked with a few clicks. No dealing with a curmudgeon hobby store owner who tells to you call Lionel and deal with them. Some will handle it, but not all of them, and I’m sure Lionel CS gets bombarded with calls from people who shopped at the latter on December 26 every year.
Clearly they keep using these mass market channels because they work.

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They undoubtedly just put a bunch of trains in the hands of people who have no clue what or where a hobby store is. Mission Accomplished.

People will see toys with a huge discount and buy it just because it’s a deal.  
And if it’s a dud out of the box like so many of them are these days, Amazon will gladly take it back, no questions asked with a few clicks. No dealing with a curmudgeon hobby store owner who tells to you call Lionel and deal with them. Some will handle it, but not all of them, and I’m sure Lionel CS gets bombarded with calls from people who shopped at the latter on December 26 every year.
Clearly they keep using these mass market channels because they work.

Please correct me if I've misunderstood your intent, but ...

1.) Let's oversimplifiy -- Amazon buyers and most parents are idiots.  LHS owners are gruff, cold and uninviting.  Lionel is doomed because of bad decisions, and poor quality.

2.) Let's have an overly negative attitude -- Making a complex situation seem simple, and dire, when it's not, helps no one.  Not hobbyists, not newbies, not Lionel, not LHS's.  No one.



Simple and dire is not only not true, but does a immense disservice to all parties involved.

Can we try being a little more positive?  What is so very different today for kids, their parents, hobbyists and the industry, from one week before Christmas in, for example, 1951?

Nothing important, that's what -- at least not to the kids who will open the set from Amazon on Christmas, and be thrilled.

Mile

Mine already shipped so no worries there, Greg.

All the people suggesting to buy local, while I agree, this wasnt a matter of me 'having to have something' and turning to Amazon. This was an impulse buy on a great deal. I simply wouldn't have paid list or 'store' price, but 40% off it was too good to pass. So in my case this didn't take any money from my LHS.

Merry Christmas everyone!

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My first train, a Marx Union Pacific work train came from a department store.  That was 60 years ago but I believe it was Famous Barr, a twenty story building that took up a whole city block. The toy department was one whole floor at Christmas with one wall a city block long devoted to trains and dealer layouts.  A few years later, a second train came from K-mart but we needed more track so we searched out a hobby shop and not only bought the track but ended up bringing home a new passenger set. I am sure that this scenario will be repeated with a few of those sets purchased from Amazon.  
    Any body here remember the Sears Christmas catalog or how about the Montgomery Ward catalog. Millions of trains were purchased from these catalogs, a very close resemblance to the Amazon website. Some of those purchases started a lifelong hobby, so let’s not be so quick to chastise those who bought a train set from Amazon, it wasn’t that dissimilar from those who made their train purchases from the trusty mail order catalog that those famous retailers sent out to millions of families across the country every Christmas.

Please correct me if I've misunderstood your intent, but ...

1.) Let's oversimplifiy -- Amazon buyers and most parents are idiots.  LHS owners are gruff, cold and uninviting.  Lionel is doomed because of bad decisions, and poor quality.

2.) Let's have an overly negative attitude -- Making a complex situation seem simple, and dire, when it's not, helps no one.  Not hobbyists, not newbies, not Lionel, not LHS's.  No one.



Simple and dire is not only not true, but does a immense disservice to all parties involved.

Can we try being a little more positive?  What is so very different today for kids, their parents, hobbyists and the industry, from one week before Christmas in, for example, 1951?

Nothing important, that's what -- at least not to the kids who will open the set from Amazon on Christmas, and be thrilled.

Mile

No where in there was an implication that amazon buyers were dumb. My point was they hit a group of people that would never walk into a hobby shop, or flat out don't have one to walk into (in which case they may not recognize that they still exist).  Shopping on amazon is easy, and people do the same thing I do, check the daily deals, go OOOOOOOOH look at that, I think little timmy or whatever will like it and its 40% off! In the immortal words of Joe McDoakes... "I GOTTA HAVE IT!"

A lionel train set is idiotically expensive for some plastic that goes around and around in a circle. It costs as much, if not more than a Nintendo Switch or an iPad. Given the choice between the two, parents (and kids) are picking the Nintendo. I know this first hand.

There's no shortage of cranky hobby store owners, I've dealt with plenty, and again, if you dont have a local store, you're gonna have to buy it online. The average person doesnt know Trainworld or Charlie Ro from any other place selling trains online, and they may not know anyone to ask.  Jeff Bezos will not hang you out to dry on returning it or dealing with the manufacturer if its a dud. Its a guaranteed no hassle issue (free shipping back, no restocking fee, instant refund) if you are a new train shopper and dont know what you're dealing with. Again, the idea with selling them on Amazon is not to sell it to someone who already knows where to buy it, its a NEW person without past exposure.  Its not any different than when they sell them at Kohls, and its not any different than when they were in the JC Penney catalog or other department stores. That is how the hobby grows, by grabbing someone who wasnt already pre-disposed to seek it out. And in that regard, selling trains on Amazon is a worthwhile endeavor for them.

@CSXJOE posted:

No different than Lionel selling to discounters in the late 50 and 60's.  Two Guys from Harrison in NJ would dump Lionel at a greatly reduced price after Christmas.

Indeed!  I remember going to Two Guys in Burlington, NJ  with my Dad as he deliberated whether to buy the GN Rotary Snowplow, on sale, after Christmas.  I am now the beneficiary of the purchase so many years ago!  Our first set however, was made while he was stationed at Harmon AFB in Newfoundland in 1958... He ordered from a hobby store in the USA and when they ran out of stock of the one he ordered, they sent the next better one... a top of the line Super O N&W J Freight set!  Now that's the way to do business!  Wish I knew what shop that was... I'd give them all my business. 

@G3750 posted:

It's nice, but please do think about supporting your local hobby shop.

It would be great to have them around the next time you need advice or service. 

A very merry Christmas to all!

George

George, service availability long-term is my biggest concern with this hobby. At $300-$500 for a new engine, that's not throw-away money. Right now, I have access to the former service tech at my favorite LHS, but that shop closed 2 years ago. If he opts to retire to FL, I'm screwed.

I got great service from my new LHS last week, but they're 100 miles round-trip, specialize in MTH, and the owner is well past SS retirement age. Who knows that shop's future?

Sorry for derailing this thread. Just thinking about my PW 2056 that's stuck in neutral. I've done what I can, but short of some training, I'm always going to need access to a well-trained service tech. I'm a young boomer / early Gen-Xer and am praying some GenXers and Yers with service and repair skills will be around for the future.

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In defense of some of the perceived negative comments above, I went to the find a dealer part of Lionel's website. In New York state, there are 48 authorized dealers but only 10 of those are authorized service stations. In Massachusetts, there are 16 authorized dealers, but only 1 single authorized service station. I'm sure if you look at all the other various states, the scenario will be much the same.

Compounding the difficulty for local hobby shops, because of the digital complexity of many products now, everything has to go back to Lionel proper for warranty service, provided you're the original purchaser, you have your receipt and it's within one year of purchase. AND that the product was made within the last 3 years. Meaning if you buy a brand new older stock starter set made over 3 years ago, you're out of luck, because Lionel doesn't service anything outside of warranty repair.

This isn't the fault of the small dealer: This is Lionel's policy. I have no idea what the return rate is on starter set products? It may be as a percentage, within an acceptable range for Lionel. BUT if you're the first time buyer of a train set that doesn't work out of the box, it's not exactly the best advertisement. It really pays to inquire before hand, from ANY seller, authorized train dealer or not, what their return policy is on defective merchandise, including shipping charges. And if there are restocking charges. Like it or not, if that's the retailers' policy, they're not going to make an exception. Sometimes the upfront "good deal" price isn't such a good deal when you read the fine print.

Even if you have a local shop that does service today, the question remains can they even get the parts, when so many critical parts for products are listed as unavailable on Lionel's website? It's entirely understandable how some dealers, in response to a return of defective product, tell the customer it has to go back to Lionel. It is also understandable how the customer might not like hearing that.

This is the advantage of Amazon and Walmart, that for a little extra money, you can purchase an extended warranty plan, which in my opinion, is well worth the extra cost. At least it has been for me with Walmart.

The other thing I noticed also, looking at the train sets listed on Amazon, is that many of them are actually available NOT from Amazon, but from established train retailers. Trainworld came up as a seller as did Nicholas Smith and others.

Back in the day before all this new digital train technology, most shops I frequented who did repairs, could fix nearly anything. My shop could. Today, I don't have a local shop... they're all gone. And not necessarily for lack of business. If it were so easy to run a local train shop and make a living, there would be more of them, not less. If I were starting off in the hobby today, I probably wouldn't be in the hobby at all.

And more than 30 years ago, I got back into the hobby by seeing a Lionel train set at K-Mart. I had the money and bought it on the spot. This was before the internet was so pervasive. Interesting how Howard Hitchcock said in an interview on Notch 6, that the retail prices today on starter train sets are no longer a spontaneous spur-of-the-moment purchase for a good many people. Which is too bad, because it wasn't like that with the set I bought, which is still running to this day.

After buying the set at K-Mart, my next step was looking the Yellow Pages (remember those?) for train shops. And then picking up my first copy of CTT, which I didn't know existed. The OGR magazine was next. All my subsequent purchases were made at train shops.

So I won't fault any newcomer to the hobby who purchases their first set from a big discount retailer. It may lead them to look for more specialized train sellers, even if it is by mail order. But like many other consumer products, like I said above, it pays to be a knowledgeable consumer and ask questions first and/or read the fine print.

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