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Having read articles in Passenger Train Journal, Trains, and some internet news articles, I'm wondering what will be the future of Amtrak's western long haul passenger trains. I know that some Superliner cars are being re-built by at Beech Grove with stimulus money, but efforts seem concentrated on the Northeast Corridor where ridership is heaviest. So: Uncover your crystal balls, especially those of you who model current prototype Amtrak, and tell me what you see.

 

My current thinking is that Amtrak West's future might lay in one of these directions:

 

1.  New locomotives and cars to replace the aging SuperLiner fleet in the west.  "Iffy" in this economic climate.

 

2.  Abandonment of service.  Are we headed that way? Seems like it.

 

3.  Privatization with the creation of "Tour" trains to popular scenic destinations, much like the "Oriental Limited" did for a time.

 

I read somewhere that President Nixon was told that Amtrak would pretty much collapse by year two and his administration wouldn't need to bother with it much after he signed the bill creating it. Well, surprise!.....but is Amtrak West real need, or just political invention and meddling in a dying market. While ridership was up last year, it still pales against airline ridership, and while those of us that love trains would argue for a continued national passenger train system, I'm wondering if that just isn't in the cards when one looks at the hard numbers and costs. After all, Amtrak was created because the railroads wanted to abandon passenger service. Although Amtrak came in very handy for many air travelers during September, 2001, the national memory and conscientiousness seems to have been wiped of those events and needs. So chime in, I'd like to know what you think about the future of Amtrak operations in the West.

 

 

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#1 Midwestern bilevels for state-supported services will allow the Amtrak equipment used for them to be re-deployed elsewhere. New Northeast locos are an immediate concern becaue the AEM7's are wearing out, with few to no spare parts, and the HHP's were lemons, with as many as half of them out of service due to failures at any given time.

 

You are aware that the Viewliner diners and baggage cars (as well as the new sleepers) were purchased with ticket revenue that came in above projections, right?

 

Any Superliner replacements will likely be funded the same way. The idea was to make smaller orders over a more frequent basis over a long period of time in order to rebuild a passenger-car building industry (along with the institutional knowledge needed to do them well. The Midwest bilevels are a start in this direction, as much of the knowledge and technology that went into them will likely be re-used for Superliner replacements (as will the Viewliner II project will likely support the development of eventual replacements for the Amfleet 1/2). 

 

#2 If the western long-distance trains die, the political support from the areas they served will die as well. So, not seeing them die off without the entire system shutting down.

 

#3 Freight railroads won't let that happen. Deal with the devil you know (Amtrak), not the ones you don't.

 

More detailed answers? Ask on Amtrak Unlimited. You don't even need to make an account to post your question.

 

---PCJ

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I think there is the posibility of passenger Rail travel turning profitable on a nation wide level soon.. If you play around with booking allot Amtrak trains are booked full unless you book weeks in advance. I've looked at taking it from Utah to Iowa and its not cheap and there always booked. There are a certain number of people who just cant stand flying. Bus service SUCKS. Amtrak is charging almost as much for long distance train rides in some cases more then airlines. It could be rail travel is coming back to profitability I think.. Never be like it was 60 years ago.. Could soon break even finally.

And looking at the short term, without a doubt, the Southwest Chief is Amtrak's most endangered long distance train.  The Raton Pass subdivision, owned by BNSF, is void of rail traffic except the Chief both ways a day.  Maintenance has been at a minimal, speeds keep dropping, and fairly soon it will not be feasible to run ANY rail traffic over, let alone an express passenger train.  Compounding this is are upcoming new requirements for passenger train routes be equipped with hideously expensive Positive Train Control.. I sincerely doubt BNSF is going to invest hundreds of millions in a line it doesn't want or use.  The alternative is to run the train via the Transcon between Chicago and L.A. which is well over capacity in many portions which would subject the Chief to undesirable delays without hefty investments in the infrastructure... and who will pay for this?  Regardless, Chicago to Los Angeles train service, in my opinion, is critical to maintaining a national passenger rail system.  When we start erasing vital lines such as this, the integrity of the system begins to unravel.

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