Another Identity Crisis

my guess: Modern era Lionel 8206

that looks like a motor,pilot and trailing truck from a 2065 type steamer, but those wouldn't have had the Baldwin Disc drivers, plus they were never all black as far as I know. Dad may have swapped them on after painting them?

C.W. I think you nailed it.  I zoomed in on a photo of one listed on eBay and the linkage and wheels look identical.

Thanks for the quick resolve.

Bum

Any wording on the pickup rollers?  It almost looks like the MPC Hudson.

Marty, the 8206, which this is, is a pre-Fundimensions MPC Hudson.

Thanks Rob.  I had a few of those back in the day.  You are good as I would never remember the MPC numbers.

bum,
Pick your choice:http://www.postwarlionel.com/steam.html

I've looked at the photos. of the locomotives with the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement and I cannot find those particular disk type of drive wheels on the pictured locomotives.

Maybe this motor is from a Pre-War Lionel locomotive?????

Ralph

I may be wrong, but I'll chance to say that those Baldwin disk drive wheels are from a Pre-War and Post-War steam locomotive, which have different pony and trail wheel trucks, such as P.W steam locomotive #224, which has a 2-6-2 wheel arrangement:

http://www.postwarlionel.com/c...n/postwar?ITEM=224ST

I am not familiar, nor do I have knowledge and/or photos. of MPC steam locomotives.

Ralph

quote:

Any wording on the pickup rollers?  It almost looks like the MPC Hudson.

Another tell that it is a modern era piece is the smoke unit: plastic cap, plastic cylinder for the puffer.

Prewar Baldwin Disk drivers have nickel rims.

Thanks everyone.  I am satisfied that it is an 8206.  I have a couple more in the box that I can't figure out that I'll be posting

Bum

Bum,

Click onto the Post War list I sent you to compare the wheel arrangements.

Ralph

I did just that and could not find the loops in any of the wheels on those units.  As a matter of fact, that is where I originally looked before posting here.

Thanks

Bum

The 8206 in 1972 was the first use of that Baldwin wheel since 1949. The sintered iron wheels were required for MagneTraction from 1950-on(save for the magnet-delete Korean war versions, which continued with the wheels, just no magnets).

Thank you Rob for the extra info.

I don't have any listing, or photos. for the MPC goodies, only the "Lionel Post War Library" list, but now, thanks to you Rob, I see the MPC steam locomotive #8206 with the Baldwin Disc Drive Wheels in the 4-6-4 wheel arrangement.

Bum,

After clicking onto the link I posted, click onto the left column listing of locomotives.

If, that don't work, then type: "Lionel Post War Library."

Before, I could not find those Baldwin Disc Drive Wheels on any 4-6-4 wheel arrangement steam locomotives, without the proper locomotive number, which Rob provided.

BUT!  I did find those Baldwin Disc Drive Wheels on 2-6-2 steam locomotives:
Pre-War (Inter-Net); 
Post War the "Lionel Post War Library," which I posted

            AND 
MPC (Inter-Net).

Ralph

The 8206 was essentially a remake of the 665/2065(small Baldwin based Hudson type, w/ feedwater heater), with the Baldwin type disc wheels substituted.

In 1976 things got exciting at Fundimensions, with the 8206 being essentially continued with the 8603 C&O based on the old 2055(w/o feedwater heater, but a silver painted boiler front) and continuing the Baldwin type disc wheels and rubber tire traction. The wheels this time had been machined to give the appearance of painted rims. The 8206 and 8603 are very good pullers.

The big news in '76 though was the reappearance of the larger 2046/646 Alco based Hudson with MagneTraction. Lettered for NYC, it has a silver painted boiler front, and sintered iron "spoked"(simulated - a-la postwar) wheels... also a great runner & puller.

well that shows my lack of MPC motive power. Never knew about the 8206...now something ELSE for the wish list!

Thanks again, Rob,

You are really up on the differences of these great models.

That 8206 really is a neat locomotive.

Take Care,

Ralph 

Here's a video of that 8206 baby in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwyN6hfEN1k

Ralph

Whats also neat about the 8206 Hudson is that it was made in the Hillside/Irvington plant

in NJ.

a 2065/665 has recently gained my interest, and having the Baldwin Dics makes the 8026 a definite must have now.

ed h,

Besides, locomotive #8206 being made in New Jersey, also, it is made in the good ole' U.S. of A.! 

Also, I believe, two of Lionel's stations and two of Lionel's Post War passenger cars.

Ralph 

If you are going to run the engine, I would replace the original overly thick traction tire. This engine is known to waddle down the track. I would suggest MTH part # DE-0000027. This will eliminate most of the rocking. This engine also has a first generation electronic whistle and sound of steam. Pretty crude sound by today's standards, but back in '72 it was high tech. If adjusted factory correct, the whistle sounds somewhat similar to a Southern Pacific cab forward whistle.