Any pictures reviews or video would be welcomed
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Heres a nice video showcasing this locomotive. ( Not mine) I'm not sure if Daniel is a forum member.
Too big for my layout and wallet. Hope folks that got them enjoy them.
I have to laugh as it looks like the tender has booster rockets trying to help get that thing rolling! 
Big Jim posted:I have to laugh as it looks like the tender has booster rockets trying to help get that thing rolling!
Especially since you wouldn't (and can't... not enough speed) be picking up water on the fly when starting.
Rusty
RickO posted:Heres a nice video showcasing this locomotive. ( Not mine) I'm not sure if Daniel is a forum member.
Too big for my layout and wallet. Hope folks that got them enjoy them.
If he's not he should be. Nice video. I hope folks with these add a water pit or whatever the term is to make prototypical use of the tender smoke feature.
Rusty Traque posted:Big Jim posted:I have to laugh as it looks like the tender has booster rockets trying to help get that thing rolling!
Especially since you wouldn't (and can't... not enough speed) be picking up water on the fly when starting.
Rusty
And just think that BO by the tracks would have been drenched. 
I wish lionel would build them as shown in catalog. The front of the boiler is black in the catalog, not silver.
jim911 posted:I wish lionel would build them as shown in catalog. The front of the boiler is black in the catalog, not silver.
Look close behind the elephant ear, it is silver.
yes, but the front in catalog is black not silver as shipped.
jim911 posted:yes, but the front in catalog is black not silver as shipped.
I really am not that pleased with the silver considering I ordered one. I really liked the all black look. If it’s prototypical I get it. But I really liked the stealthy all black
The graphite used on the CC version would have been a better choice. Stare at the silver too long and it will burn your retina.
Pete
Has anyone seen a photo of a real Niagara painted silver?
jim911 posted:yes, but the front in catalog is black not silver as shipped.
Jim,
There is no picture on the front of the catalog.
I do understand why you think it is black. I think that because of the lighting, the front part is darker and can be seen as black (shades of "Black Bonnets"!), but, the rear portion is obviously silver.
FWIW, I don't care for the silver either.
jim911 posted:Has anyone seen a photo of a real Niagara painted silver?
If you mean the smoke box yes they’re was a photo floating around. It’s tough to tell exactly in the black and white photos but it’s for sure much lighter than the rest of the boiler. I have very little knowledge of the nyc rr but it’s hard to imagine they used a silver. Probably more like a graphite or grey color. I was hoping for all black myself. Maybe mine will find a paint shop lol.
They probably were silver when new but it didn't take long for the soot to blacken it.
Pete
jim911 posted:Has anyone seen a photo of a real Niagara painted silver?
Jim,
Yes, In the book "Know Thy Niagara's" there are photos of 6001 with a silver smokebox on pages 63, 64 & 65. Also on page 51 there is an ad with a drawing of 6000 with a silver smokebox and another photo near the back of the book. I am going to presume the photos of 6001 are publicity shots as one photo shows some beauties pulling the loco along on ropes.
That said, I didn't see any other photos of the engines with silver throughout the book.
For those thinking Lionel missed the boat here, the silver smokebox on the right below is a 3rd Rail Niagara, Lionel's CCII is on the left.
Floquil used to make a bright silver and one called "old silver". The latter would have been a better choice.
Pete
Norton posted:Floquil used to make a bright silver and one called "old silver". The latter would have been a better choice.
Pete
They also made "Graphite"!
Don't worry, the prices on these will drop like the Legacy Allegheny that is now $1200 on Ebay. Pick up a Vision Line GG1 for $899. When the warranty expires, prices will drop.
Big Jim posted:Norton posted:Floquil used to make a bright silver and one called "old silver". The latter would have been a better choice.
Pete
They also made "Graphite"!
I have used them both. Apparently the Central did too. In any event its correctable which I intend to do on mine.
Pete
I reaad some where that they were all black from the factory. It could have been "Hot Water", that made the post. Either way it's a beautiful engine, and with Booster Rockets on the tender what else would one ask for .....Lol !
Beast has arrived. Gorgeous. Beautiful function. Buy another ?
Big Jim posted:Norton posted:Floquil used to make a bright silver and one called "old silver". The latter would have been a better choice.
Pete
They also made "Graphite"!
Floquil old silver is still bright. I used to use it quite a bit in modelling. Looked just like dull aluminum... still light in color.
Im very happy to see pictures of silver painted smokeboxes on real niagaras. Looks like lionel is giving variety in each release... the silver is growing on me now that i know they were built that way... my 6013 is on the way...
I learned a bunch guys. Thanks, I'm glad I brought it up
My dealer, who has not received mine or any other Niagaras, says that the internet is deceiving and that there are no Lionel Niagaras out there. This thread must be a big hoax !
Larger dealers may be receiving pallets, not boxes of trains. The pallets do not ship as quickly by freight.
Folks,
We bought a Vision Line Niagara for testing and are working to have our evaluation in print in Run 304, the next issue of the magazine.
Ed Boyle, Partner
O Gauge Railroading magazine
Great news can’t wait
That is a good news Ed, I got mine one today and believe or not I did not have enough time to test this beautiful locomotive and tomorrow I have a Dr. appointment, hopefully, he won't take long
Scrapiron, I would run the first Niagara and see how reliable it is before thinking of a second.
I bought two Vision Line GG1s when they came out. Neither has worked correctly since I first received them. I have been running my GG1 #4935 to run-in the tight gears as suggested by Dean at Lionel. After a year, it has not improved. It is at Lionel now for repair. The second Vision Line GG1 #4913 has been back to Lionel twice and is now back for a third time. It will not move.
The Niagara engines are looking good, but they too will have to prove themselves to be worthy of our dollars.
Yes, I bought one Niagara #6013 after swearing I would not.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
John Rowlen posted:Larger dealers may be receiving pallets, not boxes of trains. The pallets do not ship as quickly by freight.
I suspect that is what is happening. I'm expecting one from the Muffin's. I have not gotten a Fed Ex notice yet.
I cannot imagine a worse time to receive a shipment like this. Pallets of trains arriving when you are trying to pack your store for York.
Peter
Hi PETER,
I too am awaiting my NIAGARA from MR MUFFINS. I e mailed JEFF there and got this reply. Hope this helps.
The Niagaras are shipping directly from our Lionel distributor. Hurricane Michael delayed their arrival to him, but he’s expecting them within the next couple days and will ship them as soon as they arrive; once they do, we’ll provide you with tracking info.
York is now the major priority for most dealers. This is their time to make up for a slow summer. I bought mine on Ebay from (lisbest), Nassua Hobby. My regular supplier could not guarantee he had an extra Niagara #6013. I waited to see video of the engine before I purchased mine. I did not pre-order.
Mine is in UPS hands and headed this way.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
John Rowlen posted:York is now the major priority for most dealers. This is their time to make up for a slow summer. I bought mine on Ebay from (lisbest), Nassua Hobby. My regular supplier could not guarantee he had an extra Niagara #6013. I waited to see video of the engine before I purchased mine. I did not pre-order.
Mine is in UPS hands and headed this way.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
John, I am interested in the Niagara too; let us know when it arrives and gets tested. I am especially interested in the whistle and if it sounds the same as the one in Daniel's video.
I plan to buy mine at York tomorrow.....hopefully one of the "big guys" will be bringing an extra or two....
Donald
3rail 2 posted:I plan to buy mine at York tomorrow.....hopefully one of the "big guys" will be bringing an extra or two....
Donald
Mr Muffin said in his newsletter, he purchased one of each of the road names extra.
Peter
Yes, I saw that in his email last week. So thanks Peter!
His booth is one of the first I usually stop at.
Donald
I wonder who at Lionel makes the decisions on paint color. A bright silver smoke box and blackened side rods? To me that's a big disappointment. Anybody bother looking at photos? Almost as bad as painting over the boiler bands on the 5 Star General. I really hope it doesn't look that bad in person for the price I'm paying.
John and Skip,
I know there are legitimate questions about smokebox color but I love the silver smokebox and the blackened rods, too. I have not run the Beast more than a few feet, but my initial impression is that this may very well be a historic issue.
I have two Vision GG-1's and had serious issues with three others I sent back. I am now running my JLC Green five stripe and I love it. I also run the Vision PC GG-1 and I am very happy with it.
Scrappy
NYC Fan posted:I wonder who at Lionel makes the decisions on paint color. A bright silver smoke box and blackened side rods? To me that's a big disappointment. Anybody bother looking at photos? Almost as bad as painting over the boiler bands on the 5 Star General. I really hope it doesn't look that bad in person for the price I'm paying.
Shiny rods and valve gear arrived today. Mine will be getting a makeover to look more like as built in the builders photos.
Pete
