Any O Gauge Milw Rd Chippewa 4-6-2's?

MTH RailKing Chippewa

Ah, yes, Bill. Thanks. That's the "Bantam" engine. Any one make a more scale version?

I read somewhere else on the Forum that WBB got the dies for the K-Line Mikado. Did they get the Pacific as well?

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Did they get the Pacific as well?

I think RMT - Aristo trains ended up with the Pacific tooling. They are coming out with a bunch of roadnames later this year. The tooling could be just leased to RMT- Aristo with ownership staying with Bachmann.

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Originally posted by Bill Terry:

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Did they get the Pacific as well?

I think RMT - Aristo trains ended up with the Pacific tooling. They are coming out with a bunch of roadnames later this year. The tooling could be just leased to RMT- Aristo with ownership staying with Bachmann.

Thanks Bill,

Have we heard what roadnames?

The Chippewa is special to me in that it was a Hiawatha engine that ran to Northern Michigan.

Here is the one I'd like to see done:





I'd take this also if done to scale:

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Originally posted by MichRR714:

I'd take this also if done to scale:

That's what I'm talking about! Did the streamlined versions ever pull heavyweights? I have a new set of MTH Railking 60' heavyweights and figure the engine above would be most appropriate.

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Thanks Bill,

Have we heard what roadnames?


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The K-Line version of the 4-6-2 unstreamlined Chippewa is actually a little bit under scale. Maybe not enough to bother some folks, and I'm one of those. i had my engine converted to TMSS with cruise and I use it as an occasional and 2nd class train. One thing that I want to do, (another round tuit; you know, when I get 'round to it) I will replace the standard K-Line outside frame trailing truck with an inside frame, spoked wheel trailing truck, but I'm going to have to build it pretty much from scratch. With that change, I'll feel much better about the accuracy of the engine.

Paul Fischer

The K-Line Chippewa is actually a USRA Pacific with a Chippewa paint job. The Milwaukee never had a USRA Pacific. The two major visual points of reference are the sand dome (Milwaukee round, USRA saddle type) and the trailing truck (the Milwaukee engines had inside bearing trucks with very large spoked wheels, while the USRA had outside bearing trailing trucks). One of these days I'll get around to replacing the trailing truck on mine; not much to be done about the sand dome.

I'd really like to see this engine re-done and offered with an appropriate passenger consist. I'd prefer the streamlined engine.

Here is a shot of it pulling into Iron Mountain Michigan in 1946 and of Iron Mountain today.

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offered with an appropriate passenger consist

which would be what?

That's a very good question. I don't have enough pictures of the cars to tell. Seems most pictures taken back then were of the engine alone. Or at least the ones I've seen.

I'm sure if we pooled all our images we could come up with some answers. The picture I posted above does show a distant shot of some cars. Perhaps someone more experienced than me would care to make an interpretation of what they see.

Spent some time tonight looking for this information and come across some consist information in the back of Jim Scribbins book, "The Hiawatha Story."

References to being used on the Chippewa

Parlor Observation Beaver Tails: Nokomis & Wenonah (24 seats) (built 1934)
Parlor Observation Beaver Tails: Miller & Mitchell (28 + 17 seats in Solarium) (built 1938 later modified in 1941 for morning Hiawatha service)

Dining Car: Cars #121-126 (48 seats) (built 1948)

Found this excerpt in the William Stauss Morning Sun Book, "Milwaukee Road in Color Vol3, Wisconsin and Michigan"
This from page 10,
...Chippewa Hiawatha, at the Milwaukee Depot. The F1 will replace #21's power while the RPO-Express car, dressed in the original Olympian Hiawatha paint scheme, and the 1937 and 1938 built coaches are added to the "Chip's" outbound consist. During the postwar years Trains #14-21 operated with lightweight head end cars and coaches, a standard diner and 1935 built Beaver-Tail parlors Nokomis and Wenonah. However, with the Milwaukee Shops soon completing one passenger car per day, the Chippewa attained Hiawatha status during the summer of 1948 with new streamlined 1947-1948 coaches, diners and modified 1938 Beaver-Tails Miller and Mitchell.

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Originally posted by MichRR714:
I'd really like to see this engine re-done and offered with an appropriate passenger consist. I'd prefer the streamlined engine.

Here is a shot of it pulling into Iron Mountain Michigan in 1946 and of Iron Mountain today.

Two great, Pics nice comparison

Doug

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What a great pic! Thanks!

Thanks all for the pics.

Weaver did (in brass) a very nice small shrouded CNW loco.

It sure would be nice to see them do #152 as pictured above.

i could go for a legacy 152 with the type of consist charlie describes in 15 inch cars.

bring it!

I think that Weaver built three streamline steam locomotives painted in the Hiawatha scheme. I'll continue to look for more information.

#1080 Milw Road 4-4-2 Hiawatha
#? MR Steam 4-6-2
#? MR Steam 4-6-4

Jan

I'm not aware of the streamlined Pacific being done before.

Weaver has not done the streamlined 4-6-2. The Milwaukee Road refitted several 4-6-2 and 4-6-0 locomotives with streamlined shrouds resembling the ones on the 4-4-2 and 4-6-4 engines. These were the engines used on the Chippewa, etc. If a manufacturer were to model one of these, it might make sense to build one chassis and then build two different shells, to represent the streamlined and unstreamlined versions. That way they could reduce the tooling expense per model. However, I personally don't think that will ever happen. The only manufacturer who might do such a thing would be Weaver,and after the poor sales on their beautiful F6a unstreamlined 4-6-4, I don't think we are going to see Weaver taking a chance on a little-known engine any time soon.

The streamlined Pacific does have one thing going for it. It's never been done before! Perhaps that's worth something. Paul Fischer from Weaver is also a big Milwaukee fan. I'll have to talk to him at York Or maybe he can weigh in again on this thread.. he had some comments above.

I have my doubts as well, but I sure wish someone would make it.

I'd like one if MTH did it.

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Dennis