Changing the subject, I've waited years for Lionel to do an SD45. They have finally announced one in this new catalog. After looking at the offerings, it amazes me that no one thought to do the EMD demonstrator paint scheme as one of the initial offerings; why would you NOT do one as it could be run on anyone's railroad, not just the schemes offered.
Lionel first stepped in this direction with their GP30 demonstrator model, why not continue and open up the possible sales market?????
windycitysaint posted:Machinist- I'm confused. The catalog suggest that each AFT passenger car will be 21" long and you're saying that lionel told you each car will be 18".
Nick, your post is consistent with what Lionel told me as well, when I sent them an inquiry many months ago. Thanks for chiming in here. At least Lionel is being consistent in this regard.
Windycitysaint, most of Lionel's new ABS passenger cars that have been catalog'd to date are indeed 21" -- EXCEPT FOR those based on a baggage car frame/design, which will be closer to 18". It just so happens that a lot of the AFT "display cars" are based on baggage cars. So there will be a good number of 18" cars in the AFT. But other cars in the train, like the StationSounds Crew Car and potentially other yet-to-be-announced cars, will likely be 21".
David
David-Thank you for the clarification. I wish the catalog would specifically state that the display cars will be 18" long and all other cars will be 21".
Scrapiron Scher posted:First of all, the catalogue has so much "Ho Hum," one would think it impossible to generate this much vitriol in one thread.
Scrapiron,
You got that right!!!
645 posted:Matt B posted:Not too bad. I was hoping for some new LionChief locos. Nice to see some new paint schemes in there GP7, but nothing that interesting for me. I would KILL for some Conrail colors!
There's a nice amount of Penn Central in this catalog as in SD45, box car, 40' trailers, gondola, N5b caboose and passenger cars. You could pick up a PC SD45 and "CR" it to represent the early days of Conrail. No renumbering needed here as the CR diesel numbering system was built around the PC roster.
Yeah not a bad idea. I tend to aim for the descendants too: mostly Norfolk Southern and the predecessors where I can (N & W, Southern), but sometimes CSX and predecessors (B & O, C & O). But I go for PC and PRR too.
I'll probably preorder the Reading Lines GP7 since that merged into PC, which turned into Conrail.
But what I wouldn't give for some nice Conrail GP38 or SD40s! I love that Conrail Blue.
But what I wouldn't give for some nice Conrail GP38 or SD40s! I love that Conrail Blue.
I believe Lionel did Conrail SD40s last year? 15 Signature I think. You may still find some if you hunt.
This thread is the same as the thread about the TCAED allowing the public in the dealer halls at York. 10 plus pages of nonsense and speculation.
Lionels 2nd catalog of the year is always a rehash of the first with some new stuff sprinkled in. I have seen the new catalog and it will please some and not please others. Me, I liked it.
Time to move on fellas
Has anyone been able to download the PDF version of the catalog? I've tried multiple times today and at different times. The front cover loads but none of the following pages of the catalog load.
Thanks,
Steve
Will someone give me a link to the new Lionel catalog, I can't find it. Thanks
eddie g posted:Will someone give me a link to the new Lionel catalog, I can't find it. Thanks
http://catalogs.lionel.com/16c2/html5/
Gary
Those thinking about the new Lionel K4s with the long distance tender might want to compare the catalog illustration with the prototype photo posted earlier (and below). It appears from the catalog illustration Lionel plans to adapt their M1a's 210F75 (21,000 gallons) tender shell (less the dog house) for their announced K4s.. The long distance tender behind the K4s in the photo is a class 250P75 tender (25,000 gallons). Though the tender are the same overall length, the appearance is different. Note the shorter coal bunker and downward sloping lower sides of the tender in the photo. Apparently for long distance K4s high speed passenger runs the PRR wanted a higher water to coal ratio in the long distance tender than for the slower speed dual service M1a's. Around 1940 the PRR removed the 250F75 long distance tenders from the K4's they were assigned to and reassigned them to M1s and I1sa's in freight service. To date no O scale manufacturer has offered a model of the distinctive 250P75 tenders. Detailed PRR drawings for the 250P75 are preserved in the PA State Library in Harrisburg, and with the assistance of a researcher prints can be purchased.
Terry Danks posted:Canadians:
I'd like to preorder a few items from this catalog.
Any recommendations for a dealer "Canadian friendly?"
Charles Ro Supply has the best pre-order prices I have observed posted so far and expressly ships internationally. Also, you don't pay until your order ships.
What, me worry?
RideTheRails posted:Has anyone been able to download the PDF version of the catalog? I've tried multiple times today and at different times. The front cover loads but none of the following pages of the catalog load.
Thanks,
Steve
Yes, 140 pages and 71,995 KB. Maybe it wasn't complete when you tried.
What, me worry?
I was hoping for a new freight car model when I heard about the grain door cars. The Lionel offerings were not what I had in mind. Some uninformed person mislead Lionel into offering a poor example of a grain car. Although the PS-1's being offered was a makeshift grain hauling substitute, calling it a grain door car was not the best choice of wording to use.
A true grain door car was a BF-50-2, 1967 & 68. Maybe MTH will offer a new freight car model some day?
The Lionel CPR was a common step scheme only offered twice in O as a steel DD by Weaver and as a reefer by Lionel Std. O. Tired of waiting, I made a CPR a few years ago but I may order one to go with it? Nice offerings but nothing else is really needed for my fleet as everyone has made the other roads in past years.
I hope thumb tacks are not returning. Also will the die-cast trucks being offered fit on the Weavers?
Nice job on the catalog Lionel, a lot of nice products offered for a volume 2 catalog.
I am a K4 PRR guy, I have two Post War K4s that I double head. Unfortunately I am a Post War K4 guy, I love the modern pilot, the Pre War versions are nice but I would have to buy two to double head and I am still hoping for a Legacy PRR T1 so if I am going to spend at least a $1000 I will continue to wait for a T1. My current K4s are great running, sounding, smoking engines and I am sure anyone who does buy the new long distance tender K4s will be well pleased with the engines.
What is really tempting is the PB&NE NW2 Legacy Switcher. I see these all the time at CP 88 in Bethlehem PA. Of course I would have to get a PRR one too and that would hurt my saving up for a Legacy T1, hopefully in the 2017 Signature catalog.
Also the Mogul engines look great too. I have a TMCC one which has been upgraded to 4 chuff per revolution. Great sounds, smoke, and control. I am sure the Legacy ones will be real nice.
JohnB
Terry Danks posted:Canadians:
Any recommendations for a dealer "Canadian friendly?"
Eastside Trains Inc.
Located on eastside of Seattle.
If you live in the Northwest of Canada they do business all the time with the Canadians.
Bruk posted:Terry Danks posted:Canadians:
Any recommendations for a dealer "Canadian friendly?"
Eastside Trains Inc.
Located on eastside of Seattle.
If you live in the Northwest of Canada they do business all the time with the Canadians.
But be aware that Eastside charges full list price for most of their items.
Try any of the major dealers - just give them a call. Most of them probably ship to Canada.
DaveJfr0 posted:
The scale figures are interesting. I think MTH has much better looking/detailed/painted figures for inside the car, although more expensive. Not sure it matters since they're inside, but some of these figures look out of era depending on the passenger car modeled. I at least hope Lionel tells China to repaint the ones I circled into more realistic clothing colors, some of the colors look a lot like those super cheap ones on ebay…
Yes. Several of those men look like they got out of the house before their wives saw them. Lionel says the figures are scale, but we'll have to wait to see what their version of that is.
Many of the manufacturers have produced multiple sized figures that were supposedly "O scale," but many of these are very different in size, and sometimes useless, depending on the car they're being put into.
Incidentally, these figures (figuring a $25 street price) work out to about $1.08 per figure. The Chinese ones on the bay are about $.17 per figure. So, how much are your windows tinted?
Someone with a clue would realize there are hardly any railroad workers walking the yards. I think there are only 2 or 3 Arttista R.R. Figures that might look like they are walking? We don’t have any teens throwing items at trains either. More of the same I guess flooding the market?
Once again, the wallet is safe!
Hi Skip
Just finished looking at the catalog --- thought the same thing
Dodged another bullet 
Talk to you in a bit --- we have to get caught up
I got on the catalog, but That's strange, I can page forward but I can't go back. If I missed something I had to start over again.
Hi Eddie,
On the lower left and on the lower right of each page..........click on the page number and it will take you forwards or backwards.
Regards,
Swafford
The GREAT NORTHERN gray, blue, and white EMD SD45s are not in this catalog. I have some Atlas O Santa Fe GE DASH 8s that are coming someday. The Big Sky Blue can come another day.
Andrew
Flipped through the online catalog. Nothing there that tickles my wallet, so my finances are safe for a while.
I am somewhat disappointed at the continuing trend towards locomotives with Legacy, requiring ever larger curves. I have stated this concern many times in the past. (Oh, by the way, this is not the O Scale section of the forum) so hold off on your comments regarding prototypically correct scale.
It wasn't that many years ago Lionel Built SD70Ace's that could handle 036 curves. Likewise the SD40 (if memory serves me right). Now, we have a new SD45 that requires 054 curves. Threw me right out of the market on that alone.
This move away from tighter radius curves, is killing off people like me. Yeah, I know, look on the Used Market (Which admittedly, I have been for over a year and a half now).
Keep escalating the prices and cutting folks like me out, and your market will continue to shrink. Sorry Lionchief(+) just doesn't cut it for me. I am one who abhors the incompatibility with the rest of Lionel's Systems (i.e. TMCC and Legacy).
End of my Rant. Congrats to those who have found what they seek in the new Catalog. Sorry, Lionel, just isn't cutting it for me.
TrainingDave posted:MartyE posted:Seen on the Notch 6 thread that the NW2s do not have a LCS Sensor? Why would that be? Seems to be a step backwards. Hopefully they come with modules because the Heislers w/ a sensor and no modules already have folks upset.
Just gotta wonder why they wouldn't have a sensor.
I'm going to venture a guess and say it's due to a lack of space. This seems like it'll be a similar design to the S2. I have opened one up before and the motor is a vertical can in the middle/fuel tank with gearing/linkage going to the two trucks.
That why they are selling the sensor cars! 
Typical East Coast bias here! 
First, the 2016 v2 Lionel Catalog has an SP&S (Spokane, Portland & Seattle) NW2 Switcher. Wow! This follows MTH having several SP&S items in their recent catalog. So, that is a winner for me!! I was just talking with my friends at Eastside Trains in Kirkland WA a few weeks ago regarding the lack of SP&S items, so this great railroad ("The Northwest's Own Railway") will have some motive power on my layout. Second, there is also a Milwaukee NW2 switcher; the Milwaukee Road was big in my home town of Tacoma, so that is a winner for me.
Regarding Eastside Trains, I do want to correct a comment from a previous poster regarding their pricing, they do offer pre- orders pricing for both Lionel and MTH, that is super competitive to the other major dealers. Please give them a call to get on their mailing list for the pre-order pricing list.
All the best, Dave
Now, is Vegas betting:
1. On what stuff WILL be made.
2. And if the stuff is made, WHEN will it get here?
RideTheRails posted:Has anyone been able to download the PDF version of the catalog? I've tried multiple times today and at different times. The front cover loads but none of the following pages of the catalog load.
Thanks,
Steve
I have the same problem. Won't load on my laptop. But loads OK on my wife's iPad and our other home computer as well. Both the other home computer and my laptop use the same Windows 10 and Google Chrome internet, too. iPad uses Safari.
At least I have some access to the catalog.
FYI, sent this to Ryan Kunkle this morning.
Since they are offering a Legacy equipped Mogul in Boston and Maine livery, I just have to have it. My first Lionel engine in several years!
breezinup posted:DaveJfr0 posted:
The scale figures are interesting. I think MTH has much better looking/detailed/painted figures for inside the car, although more expensive. Not sure it matters since they're inside, but some of these figures look out of era depending on the passenger car modeled. I at least hope Lionel tells China to repaint the ones I circled into more realistic clothing colors, some of the colors look a lot like those super cheap ones on ebay…
Yes. Several of those men look like they got out of the house before their wives saw them. Lionel says the figures are scale, but we'll have to wait to see what their version of that is.
Many of the manufacturers have produced multiple sized figures that were supposedly "O scale," but many of these are very different in size, and sometimes useless, depending on the car they're being put into.
Incidentally, these figures (figuring a $25 street price) work out to about $1.08 per figure. The Chinese ones on the bay are about $.17 per figure. So, how much are your windows tinted?
These figures are another example of what I think of as Lionel's recycling of old products. These are the exact same passenger car figures as Lionel used, and K-Line did before them, going back no less than 10 years.
Assuming (as I think is likely) that Lionel is using the same tooling/supplier that they did back then, the good thing is that these figures are sub-O scale as are the passenger car interior assemblies in the new Lionel ABS cars. In other words, they will fit inside without having to have major, er, surgery. It's a downside that there is very little variety in this set; there are essentially four ladies and four gentlemen.
Breezinup, I normally agree with everything you say but in this instance the price comparison with figures from China is not the whole story. Many of those figures, as well as quarter-scale dollhouse people, are simply too big (as in way too tall) to fit inside the cars.
Overall the best painted figures I have found are in the various MTH Railking sets, which are also nearer S scale than O and will fit in the seating inside Lionel's 21" cars. But you pay a premium for them as they work out at nearly $2 each.
J Daddy posted:J Daddy posted:I am game for a new Legacy K4 with a long haul tender! Sold. I missed the first release and they are LONG GONE for 700.00!
I like these company row houses.. .they will be great on the layout. Are these made from Weaver tooling?
The Arizona Box car, and the Jimmy Doolittle raid box cars are easily new additions I must have...
I wrote Lionel to tell them how much I like the ARIZONA boxcar. I also asked them to consider creating additional boxcars to represent the other major ships at Pearl Harbor during the bombing- Nevada, Oklahoma, Tennessee, California, Maryland, West Virginia, and Utah (not a battleship, but it is still at Ford Island on the western side, rusty hull exposed above sea level)
Garrett76 posted:I wrote Lionel to tell them how much I like the ARIZONA boxcar. I also asked them to consider creating additional boxcars to represent the other major ships at Pearl Harbor during the bombing- Nevada, Oklahoma, Tennessee, California, Maryland, West Virginia, and Utah (not a battleship, but it is still at Ford Island on the western side, rusty hull exposed above sea level)
I really like it too and hope they make additional cars. Why do you consider the UTAH as not being a battleship? Also wasn't the Pennsylvania there?
I was generally referring to the "major" ships or prime targets of the Japanese
The PENNSYLVANIA is a battleship and was there, but in drydock. There were a lot of other ships at the Pearl Harbor area which is much bigger than battleship row at Ford Island.
the UTAH was a training ship. It was not an active battleship. the Pacific Aviation museum website has more details about it:
http://www.pacificaviationmuse...panese-sink-the-utah
*interesting note- I served on USS CHIEF (MCM 14). My stateroom door featured a mounted Medal of Honor citation for Chief Watertender Peter Tomich who perished on UTAH. For my next tour, I was stationed at Pearl Harbor and lived in one of the officer houses on the west side of Ford Island. I could see the rusty hull of UTAH looking out my front window
This would be a maybe, I do have four LionChief Plus on the layout, Hudson, Pacific, RS-3 and FT - A-B-A. / Still want to see the hard copy of the catalog.
Gary
Garrett76 posted:*interesting note- I served on USS CHIEF (MCM 14). My stateroom door featured a mounted Medal of Honor citation for Chief Watertender Peter Tomich who perished on UTAH. For my next tour, I was stationed at Pearl Harbor and lived in one of the officer houses on the west side of Ford Island. I could see the rusty hull of UTAH looking out my front window
Thanks for your service. I truly appreciate it.
I'd still like to see them maybe cover all the battleships at Pearl Harbor that day. I realize they may have not been active but they were there and I suspect the Japanese didn't know the difference and sailors died because of it. My brother is a big battleship guy. Anything to give him grief about having to buy modern Lionel. LOL!
Hey Dave
Nothing "East Coast" about my take on the new catalog
Love the Western roads
Just still kinda like the "postwar" stuff
Thx
PS --- I do like the catalog and I will probably buy something --- the new powermaster 360 ???
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