Trainlover9943 posted:Can you show the rest of the NW2s and the SD70ACe's?
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Wow! Thank you!
falconservice posted:Are they 50' Double-door boxcars that have end doors?
Andrew
Lionel has those already. End doors that open. MTH has sealed end doors. Cars we really don't need more of in my opinion. (Dated and limited automobile era) Photos would be nice.
GregR posted:Any rugged, conventional, Pullmor motored, magne traction toy trains in this catalog?
I'm done with the "add a tenth remote control to the pile" Lionchief products.
And I have no use for the big dollar, artisan weathered, massive radius, rubber tired, can motored, fragile monstrosities designed by Lionel's fancy pants millenials for rivet counting purists. I wonder how many of Lionel's employees have seen a production line, or even put their hands on a transformer throttle?
Their new products seem to leave a large number of us traditional operators behind, just as their new millenial, kill your finger scrolling the mouse, tile photos from hell website has left most with common sense confused
I think Pullmor power has gone, and I like command control and cruise, but I'm with you on the spirit of this. Looking at the list of contents of the new catalog that have seeped out so far, I see very little of interest. Clearly there are many who are of the same mind. There's been a huge interest in LionChief + products, because there are many, many people who want that size and type of engine, but obviously the individual remote thing has generated frustration. As MartyE said above, "How many remotes can you have? I don't think Lionel was expecting these to be so popular among seasoned hobbyists as they were."
In the latest review Eric Siegel did a few days ago, of a LionChief + steamer, he was admonished for referring to it as an "entry-level product." The criticism expressed was that there are many seasoned operators who run these type of trains, and in fact prefer them, and it was inappropriate and inaccurate to refer to them as entry level engines. (As an aside, it's hard to think of an engine that retails for $430.00 as "entry-level!) Eric responded with a "point taken." Giant 19" long $700 diesels , 30" long $1800 steamers, 21" passenger cars, and 30,000 gallon tank cars are all well and dandy, but many operators - who are likely in the majority - have no use for them, for a number of obvious reasons. They're looking to Lionel to provide better alternatives.
For me, Lionel is asleep at the wheel in providing MTH Imperial-type products. It's growing old waiting for something like, for example, a Legacy LionMaster J or GS-4 with some new matching 15" plastic passenger cars. And, of course, people are howling for traditional engines with LC+ features without needing stacks of remotes.
Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
How about the SD45's
Thanks
BigJohn&theWork posted:Trainlover9943 posted:Can you show the rest of the NW2s and the SD70ACe's?
Could we see the 2-6-0's? Also, what's the pricing on the NW-2's and SD70's?
ATSF Doug posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:Trainlover9943 posted:Can you show the rest of the NW2s and the SD70ACe's?
Could we see the 2-6-0's? Also, what's the pricing on the NW-2's and SD70's?
It'll be a minute on that request. I just recieved in the mail a NIB 3 pack of ATSF map reefers to complete the 8 car set! I had been looking for theses ever since I ordered the vision line set from 2016 C1. I figured you may appreciate these being an ATSF guy.
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BigJohn&theWork posted:ATSF Doug posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:Trainlover9943 posted:Can you show the rest of the NW2s and the SD70ACe's?
Could we see the 2-6-0's? Also, what's the pricing on the NW-2's and SD70's?
It'll be a minute on that request. I just recieved in the mail a NIB 3 pack of ATSF map reefers to complete the 8 car set! I had been looking for theses ever since I ordered the vision line set from 2016 C1. I figured you may appreciate these being an ATSF guy.
Wow, I've always wanted a set of those reefers. I have several in HO, but only one Atlas semi scale reefer in O.
guess no tier 4s this year
(sigh)
still head over heels excited for this years offerings
What steam locomotives are in there besides the the 2-8-8-2s, 2-6-0s and K4s?
At this point in the game, Lionel might just as well post the darn catalog online rather than have folks posting page-spreads. 
This has been one of the larger snafu's I can recall in a long time. And if they're as smart as some folks here give them credit for being, they probably shouldn't ship catalogs to dealers if they want to keep a lid on things.
The problem Lionel has on that front though is dealers WANT advance info on products in the catalog, so they can stage their website updates to go live and take pre-orders for BTO items the very second the catalog goes live... Another conundrum of the BTO business model. 
David
ATSF Doug posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:ATSF Doug posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:Trainlover9943 posted:Can you show the rest of the NW2s and the SD70ACe's?
Could we see the 2-6-0's? Also, what's the pricing on the NW-2's and SD70's?
Wow, I've always wanted a set of those reefers. I have several in HO, but only one Atlas semi scale reefer in O.
It sure is nice to finally have all 8! They are my favorite freight cars!
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BTO is a big problem for me
i cant preorder and even if i could it gives me no time to save up for these items
its time i was able to have a piece of this o gauge action
What are the road names of the 21" passenger cars? Is Texas Special one of them?
Rocky Mountaineer posted:NVisich posted:Don's shoot the messenger but this is from the dealer selling the catalogs on the bay. He added the following below to his item description last night:
...I guess that dealer didn't find Lionel's phone call on Friday too intimidating!
Probably thinking it's just easier to ask for forgiveness later.
David
"Sin at will, repent at leisure."
can i see pictures of the sd45s
BigJohn&theWork posted:RickO posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:I guess I foolishly spent $5.00 on a... O wait it's my $5.00. I can blow it on whatever I want. I guess I'll look at it this way... That's one less cheeseburger that's gonna end in a blocked artery. That Lionel catalog just gave me a few more days of running trains... Money well spent!!!
What about the $5.95 you spent on shipping that catalog?
That would have gotten you a second cheeseburger, and possibly a small fry to boot!
I actually bought 2 catalogs so I guess there's an extra $10.95 which I have yet to justify to those who want to tell me how I should spend my money.
I would say that's one less cigar but I have a humidor full so who am I kidding... Smoke em if ya got em
Oh, you bought TWO sneaked catalogues!!??
Hope you read the fine print!!!
It states, you are now required to purchase TWO of everything you buy.
NEC Runner posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:RickO posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:I guess I foolishly spent $5.00 on a... O wait it's my $5.00. I can blow it on whatever I want. I guess I'll look at it this way... That's one less cheeseburger that's gonna end in a blocked artery. That Lionel catalog just gave me a few more days of running trains... Money well spent!!!
What about the $5.95 you spent on shipping that catalog?
That would have gotten you a second cheeseburger, and possibly a small fry to boot!
I actually bought 2 catalogs so I guess there's an extra $10.95 which I have yet to justify to those who want to tell me how I should spend my money.
I would say that's one less cigar but I have a humidor full so who am I kidding... Smoke em if ya got em
Oh, you bought TWO sneaked catalogues!!??
Hope you read the fine print!!!
It states, you are now required to purchase TWO of everything you buy.
If the Niagara would have made this catalog I sure would have bought 2! I probably will end up grabbing a Santa Fe NW2. Not much else grabbed my attention. I like the K4 but I already have one with the regular tender so I won't be running out for that.
The only new passenger cars are an additional Broadway limited 2 pack and 2 additional freedom train 2 packs. I imagine I'll be getting both freedom train 2 packs as I've got the rest of it on order already. The disappointing part is that they'll probably be making all of the passenger cars at once given that the ones announced in 2016 C1 aren't even on the shipping schedule. Making them all at once kind of defeats the purpose of cataloging them in separate catalogs.
For those who are still fired up about the catalog leaks...
If lionel wants to stop the leaks then they need to hold their dealers accountable who release the catalog early. I am just a simple train operator who is as excited as the rest of us about looking at the catalog. If it's out there then I'm going to look at it! I didn't steal it. It's not a "bootleg" catalog. Its the same catalog that will be on the shelves in a few days and I obtained it from a Lionel dealer as everyone else will.
Why doesn't someone just post each page? Then we'd know what's in it...
Are there any more UP Excursion Cars?
paigetrain posted:BTO is a big problem for me ...
Me, too. I won't do BTO. This was reinforced after Lionel got the colors on their Rio Grande and Great Northern GP35s all wrong, a real disappointment, especially given that the catalog pictures had it correct!.
"Gotta see before any order from me."
As a manufacturer, all my dealers are under NDA. If they did this, they would be in violation of their agreement which allows me to terminate them as an authorized dealer. Guess what, when I canned a few of them, the message was LOUD AND CLEAR. Break the NDA and your gone.
Websites, BTO - who cares - takes no time to update the sites, prices are within a few dollars of each other and past experience shows most dealers buy a few extras. Dealer's that honor their agreement will pick up the slack when violators get "retired." Complying dealer get recommended and will be / are better off. Manufacturers set dates for a reason.
I would assume ALL Lionel dealers, distributors and wholesalers are under NDA with Lionel and cannot / should not be violating their dealer agreements.
You may not like it, but if I were a complying dealer I would raise the roof with Lionel management. In addition, if Lionel management really cared, they would terminate any wholesaler or dealer that sells the catalog, distributes the catalog or updates their public sites before the agreed upon date. Maybe even, if they are receiving MDF (Market Development Funds) for advertising, it would be denied.
Action speak louder than word and that action would straighten out the distribution channel and set behavior expectations in a heartbeat.
On the other hand, if Lionel doesn't care about this, then as Rocky Mountaineer posted - put / release the catalog on the Lionel site first, then send them out. Problem solved.
To the dealers that comply with your agreements with MTH, Lionel, Atlas, etc., great job.
paigetrain posted:BTO is a big problem for me
i cant preorder and even if i could it gives me no time to save up for these items
its time i was able to have a piece of this o gauge action
BTO is only a problem if you buy from the wrong dealer.
you place the order and save up to pay when it arrives. easy.
if you do not have the money cancel order.
done this a time or two from Charles Ro, no problem.
PSU1980 posted:As a manufacturer, all my dealers are under NDA. If they did this, they would be in violation of their agreement which allows me to terminate them as an authorized dealer. Guess what, when I canned a few of them, the message was LOUD AND CLEAR. Break the NDA and your gone.
Websites, BTO - who cares - takes no time to update the sites, prices are within a few dollars of each other and past experience shows most dealers buy a few extras. Dealer's that honor their agreement will pick up the slack when violators get "retired." Complying dealer get recommended and will be / are better off. Manufacturers set dates for a reason.
I would assume ALL Lionel dealers, distributors and wholesalers are under NDA with Lionel and cannot / should not be violating their dealer agreements.
You may not like it, but if I were a complying dealer I would raise the roof with Lionel management. In addition, if Lionel management really cared, they would terminate any wholesaler or dealer that sells the catalog, distributes the catalog or updates their public sites before the agreed upon date. Maybe even, if they are receiving MDF (Market Development Funds) for advertising, it would be denied.
Action speak louder than word and that action would straighten out the distribution channel and set behavior expectations in a heartbeat.
On the other hand, if Lionel doesn't care about this, then as Rocky Mountaineer posted - put / release the catalog on the Lionel site first, then send them out. Problem solved.
To the dealers that comply with your agreements with MTH, Lionel, Atlas, etc., great job.
with Lionel a sponsor of this forum,
based on the above this thread should be deleted!!
in my opinion!
Peter Araujo posted:Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
Better be legacy or I'll pass. Need a Rutland engine to pull my milk train
Gary - agree - hope it is legacy as well.
bigdodgetrain posted:PSU1980 posted:As a manufacturer, all my dealers are under NDA. If they did this, they would be in violation of their agreement which allows me to terminate them as an authorized dealer. Guess what, when I canned a few of them, the message was LOUD AND CLEAR. Break the NDA and your gone.
Websites, BTO - who cares - takes no time to update the sites, prices are within a few dollars of each other and past experience shows most dealers buy a few extras. Dealer's that honor their agreement will pick up the slack when violators get "retired." Complying dealer get recommended and will be / are better off. Manufacturers set dates for a reason.
I would assume ALL Lionel dealers, distributors and wholesalers are under NDA with Lionel and cannot / should not be violating their dealer agreements.
You may not like it, but if I were a complying dealer I would raise the roof with Lionel management. In addition, if Lionel management really cared, they would terminate any wholesaler or dealer that sells the catalog, distributes the catalog or updates their public sites before the agreed upon date. Maybe even, if they are receiving MDF (Market Development Funds) for advertising, it would be denied.
Action speak louder than word and that action would straighten out the distribution channel and set behavior expectations in a heartbeat.
On the other hand, if Lionel doesn't care about this, then as Rocky Mountaineer posted - put / release the catalog on the Lionel site first, then send them out. Problem solved.
To the dealers that comply with your agreements with MTH, Lionel, Atlas, etc., great job.
with Lionel a sponsor of this forum,
based on the above this thread should be deleted!!
in my opinion!
He is assuming advanced catalogs were sent to dealers as confidential and not as I suspect a counter copy to draw customers in before the internet release. He is also assuming everyone into Lionel reads this board 10 times per day. Besides, what is the big deal having folks on this board 4 days before the internet release hear a few attention getting tidbits???? The folks at Lionel are probably laughing at a few of these hard nosed responses.
Joe
I'm jumping in a little late on this --- and I do understand the excitement of a new catalog
Was looking forward to the 31st myself --- going online / listening to Notch 6 / etc
But --- What was to be gained by posting the new catalog early ??? --- A jump on pre-orders ???
Not sure if there was any / much thought behind this
Thx
Joe S
Ummmm, per my very, very good friend and Lionel dealer that complied with the directions.................they were told not to release them until a specific date. In fact, he did not put one on the counter and I am sure he could have............
PSU1980 posted:Ummmm, per my very, very good friend and Lionel dealer that complied with the directions.................they were told not to release them until a specific date. In fact, he did not put one on the counter and I am sure he could have............
If that's the case, maybe they should bleach this thread??? 
Joe
bigdodgetrain posted:paigetrain posted:BTO is a big problem for me
i cant preorder and even if i could it gives me no time to save up for these items
its time i was able to have a piece of this o gauge action
BTO is only a problem if you buy from the wrong dealer.
Well maybe, but after the stunt that Lionel pulled with those "other versions" of the Union Pacific FEF-3 models which were supposed to have the Sellers Exhaust Steam injector, ACCORDING TO THE CATALOG, I sure wouldn't take a chance on any "BTO" offering.
superwarp1 posted:Peter Araujo posted:Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
Better be legacy or I'll pass. Need a Rutland engine to pull my milk train
It IS legacy... but it doesn't appear to have whistle steam.
BigJohn&theWork posted:superwarp1 posted:Peter Araujo posted:Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
Better be legacy or I'll pass. Need a Rutland engine to pull my milk train
It IS legacy... but it doesn't appear to have whistle steam.
What are the road names?
Can only hope Lionel uses the CORRECT horn for the SD70ACe's. Not the horrible sounding ones used on the NS Heritage ones.
Hi! I can wait a day or so and then see the catalog online. Soon after, my favorite dealer sends me a paper copy. Easy!
Trainlover9943 posted:BigJohn&theWork posted:superwarp1 posted:Peter Araujo posted:Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
Better be legacy or I'll pass. Need a Rutland engine to pull my milk train
It IS legacy... but it doesn't appear to have whistle steam.
What are the road names?
Boston & Maine, Central Vermont, Lackawanna, Everett, Grand Trunk, and Rutland
The 2-6-0's were never reissued with command due to the complaints of the first TMCC versions dropping their sound? There was no room to package for the 9 volt battery in the tender... wonder what has changed?
BigJohn&theWork posted:superwarp1 posted:Peter Araujo posted:Could the upcoming moguls either be LEGACY or LionChief?
Better be legacy or I'll pass. Need a Rutland engine to pull my milk train
It IS legacy... but it doesn't appear to have whistle steam.
Wouldn't expect there would be room in such a small engine. Bet it has a teather instead of wireless. I know in the smaller engines Lionel has been talking about dropping the wireless teather due to power pickup issues/ground issues, which is fine by me anyway. Better have the tender pickup rollers connected with the engine pickup rollers. No dropping out over switches.
How about the Adams Family Legacy Breakdown Engine! Runs 6 feet down the track, turns into a fireball of smoke and flame, never to run again!
