Any updates on Lionel's 2016 Volume 2 Catalog?

SP NW2 in Black Widow.  Perfect engine for 10-31 layouts!

Dominic Mazoch posted:

SP NW2 in Black Widow.  Perfect engine for 10-31 layouts!

Don't believe the NW2 is offered in "Black Widow", since I don't believe the SP had any painted that way. The correct SP paint scheme for an NW2 would be the "Tiger Stripes" styling, which is in the Lionel current catalog.

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

Looks like $500 but not sure, the photos are tricky to read the "fine print". 

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

I viewed the current Lionel catalog in question at our local hobby shop this morning, and was especially interested in those NW2 models, as well as the grain-door boxcars ( the C&S version). However the $79.99 price on the boxcar just blew me away, and I don't remember the ridiculous price on the NW2 models. 

The 50' double-door boxcar with end doors has not been made in the Grand Trunk Western 1960's era paint scheme with the large GT logo.

Like shown in these photos found on-line.

Andrew

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The CN Patched EMD SD70ACe was a short lived scheme.

I live near the CN's GTW railroad tracks and was only able to get a few photos before they were repainted.

It looked good, while it lasted.

Andrew

I'm becoming more and more interested in the UNP NW2....but did UNP ever use that predominantly black paint scheme on their NW2s?

What railroads names are offered on the SD45's?

Any ES44AC's?

Regards,

Swafford

"as delivered paint scheme"

So fro the $500.00+ price range, are these Nw2's scale?

Swafford posted:

What railroads names are offered on the SD45's?

Any ES44AC's?

Regards,

Swafford

From page 3 of this thread

8 SD-45 Diesels: G.N. Hustle Muscle, Erie Lackawanna, Erie Lackawanna Bicentennial, G.N., S.P., U.P., Penn Central, & Southern.  The Southern has a high short hood.

Neal Jeter

Williams just did that same UP NW-2.

Terrance posted:

Williams just did that same UP NW-2.

But, is that Williams a SCALE model, with reasonably correct size hand-rails/grab irons? 

There was review of it in the May 2016 issue of CTT.

Terrance posted:

There was review of it in the May 2016 issue of CTT.

Since I've never read CTT, what did the review have to say about the model's scale fidelity?

T4TT posted:

"as delivered paint scheme"

That answers that question.  Many thanks.  Looks like they borrowed some paint from the Nickel Plate Road.

I really like that picture, with the snow on the ground and the mountains in the background contrasting against the black of the Switcher and the red of the passenger car.....on a blue sky day. 

Thanks again!

Hot Water posted:

Terrance posted:

There was review of it in the May 2016 issue of CTT.

Since I've never read CTT, what did the review have to say about the model's scale fidelity?

Hi Hot Water:

The review is on page 64 - 65, "Back in Black - Union Pacific NW2 from Williams"  if this is the article drop me an e-mail and I will send it to you. My e-mail is in my profile.

To chime in and reading  many of these comments, I don't see anything wrong with Lionel with there products, they have gotten better recently. But if you have a feature listed in the description, then Lionel should be putting the feature in. If we pay 2200 dollars for the new Allegheny, I want all the features listed. If there is features that Lionel doesn't list because it is not on that Model, Lionel should put in the area of the price range stating exclusions from the model.

My prediction for this catalog is no new tooling Items, but I think the AC-9 will return, Niagara for the NY Fans, and maybe more of the Good stuff (Veranda Turbine, Duplex, and some F Units in various RRs, etc.)

SDIV Tim posted:

To chime in and reading  many of these comments, I don't see anything wrong with Lionel with there products, they have gotten better recently. But if you have a feature listed in the description, then Lionel should be putting the feature in. If we pay 2200 dollars for the new Allegheny, I want all the features listed. If there is features that Lionel doesn't list because it is not on that Model, Lionel should put in the area of the price range stating exclusions from the model.

 

My prediction for this catalog is no new tooling Items,

You would be wrong, as the SD45 models are labeled "All New Tooling" in the catalog, plus I remember seeing some other items specifically labeled "All New Tooling".

but I think the AC-9 will return, Niagara for the NY Fans, and maybe more of the Good stuff (Veranda Turbine, Duplex, and some F Units in various RRs, etc.)

Any postwar? Is those green passenger cars in there?

Bill

You are welcome Berk Pres.

Lionlman posted:

Swafford posted:

What railroads names are offered on the SD45's?

Any ES44AC's?

Regards,

Swafford

From page 3 of this thread

8 SD-45 Diesels: G.N. Hustle Muscle, Erie Lackawanna, Erie Lackawanna Bicentennial, G.N., S.P., U.P., Penn Central, & Southern.  The Southern has a high short hood.

Neal Jeter

Didn't Southern typically run their hooded diesels long hood forward? If so, do you think Lionel will position the engineer appropriately?

Any ES44AC's?

F7 or F3 ABA Set?

Hot Water posted:

Dominic Mazoch posted:

SP NW2 in Black Widow.  Perfect engine for 10-31 layouts!

Don't believe the NW2 is offered in "Black Widow", since I don't believe the SP had any painted that way. The correct SP paint scheme for an NW2 would be the "Tiger Stripes" styling, which is in the Lionel current catalog.

Stand corrected.  But still, great looking switcher for the fall season!

TM Terry posted:

"Didn't Southern typically run their hooded diesels long hood forward? If so, do you think Lionel will position the engineer appropriately?"

A quick google search revealed images of the Southern operating with both the long hood forward and the short hood. So to answer your question it looks like both are correct.

As for the actual production, the good news is that what ever direction is chosen, it will be very easy to reveres the figure for the direction desired simply by removing the body.. Probably will not even need to remove any wires.

Charlie

Hi Everyone,

I'm suprised that none of the Pittsburgh contingent(the Union RR foamer types-like me!) have made mention of the Union RR NW2 that I spotted in the new catalog.   It looks like it's being done in the older gray/yellow lettering paint scheme,  but a couple of those survived into the mid-late 70's in that paint.   I'll have to take a closer look at this engine as a new option,  considering that Atlas keeps delaying their Union RR MP15DC's.

Nick

TM Terry posted:

Lionlman posted:

From page 3 of this thread

8 SD-45 Diesels: G.N. Hustle Muscle, Erie Lackawanna, Erie Lackawanna Bicentennial, G.N., S.P., U.P., Penn Central, & Southern.  The Southern has a high short hood.

Neal Jeter

Didn't Southern typically run their hooded diesels long hood forward? If so, do you think Lionel will position the engineer appropriately?

Believe you are correct Terry.

Not sure how difficult it would be to reverse wires and lighting such as class lights, rear red markers.

Charlie posted:

TM Terry posted:

"Didn't Southern typically run their hooded diesels long hood forward? If so, do you think Lionel will position the engineer appropriately?"

A quick google search revealed images of the Southern operating with both the long hood forward and the short hood. So to answer your question it looks like both are correct.

As for the actual production, the good news is that what ever direction is chosen, it will be very easy to reveres the figure for the direction desired simply by removing the body.. Probably will not even need to remove any wires.

Charlie

Southern SD-45 units were designated with the long end as front, but could operate easily long or short hood forward as needed. They had Bi-directional control stands to allow the engineer to see in either direction. The SD45s were the first Southern locomotives set up in this fashion from the factory. 

You could rewire the locomotive to operate with the long hood as forward, but I don't see the need except for headlights and markers (though they should work the same on either end). 

Southern ran these as matched 3-4 unit sets on their hotshot freights, or mixed with SD35 and SD40 units on other manifest trains. Hopefully they will offer several numbers in powered and dummy configurations.

Watching videos from the 1970s Southern ran their diesels either way, long or short hood forward.

Neal Jeter

Lionlman posted:

Watching videos from the 1970s Southern ran their diesels either way, long or short hood forward.

Neal Jeter

There you have the key to why both Southern AND Norfolk & Western specified all their units from EMD with a relocated Engineer's control stand and long hood being "Front". The reasoning was; the railroad would NOT have to turn units around at the end of a run, in order to ALWAYS have the low short hood in the lead. The management's thinking was the crews wouldn't complain whenever they got a unit "backwards", as they would then have the short hood in the front. Then even received SD50s and SD60s set-up that way.

The Williams/WBB NW-2 switcher is a copy of the Lionel PW NW-2, but with completely modern internals. It is as accurate and inaccurate as the Lionel version. The Lionel version is a good model, especially considering when it was made. It is not a great model, but details, sizes and proportions are all within a "not bad at all" parameter.

I added ERR Cruise Commander (no room for sound without more wrestling than I wanted to do) and Electrocouplers to my Illinois Central Gulf version; runs like butter; paint job is OK (there are nits); left the class lights (may remove them) and took off the circular antenna.

Very presentable model; I painted the trucks/tanks/etc a weathered black. Good scale (3R-wise) model.  

Terrance posted:

Williams just did that same UP NW-2.

How Water posted:

But, is that Williams a SCALE model, with reasonably correct size hand-rails/grab irons?

NOW I post:

the 1950's Lionel Nw2 was out of scale on the hood to shoehorn in the Pulmore motor. The Atlas O sw8/9 is the correct scale size hood... hence the asking of my question.

I have the new catalog.   Just came in.

NSBill posted:

Any postwar? Is those green passenger cars in there?

Bill

No green passenger cars

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

The NW2 switchers are 499.99

Vinny26 posted:

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

The NW2 switchers are 499.99

Nice! I'm in for at least the NYO&W hopefully they don't cancel it like they did back a few years ago when they made the NW2s. 

Trainlover9943 posted:

Vinny26 posted:

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

The NW2 switchers are 499.99

Nice! I'm in for at least the NYO&W hopefully they don't cancel it like they did back a few years ago when they made the NW2s. 

Catalog mentions all new tooling on the NW2 with fixed pilots 

Vinny26 posted:

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

The NW2 switchers are 499.99

I guess Lionel expects us to give them an adda-boy for not making the price $649 MSRP, like they did with the last production run of S-2 switchers.    By comparison, the $499 MSRP doesn't look as overpriced, but it still is for a small switcher diesel.  Nonetheless, I'm sure we'll see forum sponsors battling out the pre-order melee here like Tasmanian Devils, so expect street-prices closer to $425, and an after-delivery discount sale might even bring the price closer to $375.  Patience is always a virtue these days now that MSRP's are as meaningless as they've become. 

David

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Vinny26 posted:

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

I could not make out the price on the NW 2 switchers, anyone know the cost of these?

John

The NW2 switchers are 499.99

I guess Lionel expects us to give them an adda-boy for not making the price $649 MSRP, like they did with the last production run of S-2 switchers.    By comparison, the $499 MSRP doesn't look as overpriced, but it still is for a small switcher diesel.  Nonetheless, I'm sure we'll see forum sponsors battling out the pre-order melee here like Tasmanian Devils, so expect street-prices closer to $425, and an after-delivery discount sale might even bring the price closer to $375.  Patience is always a virtue these days now that MSRP's are as meaningless as they've become. 

David

I wish I was an insider like you, able to know Lionel's pricing structure and what they should be charging for products. I'm guessing you have the magic formulas they use? Or the magic dartboard? 

I'm sure you don't take any costs into consideration. Well I'm sure you take manufacturing costs into thought. But probably not tooling, facilities, insurance, shipping costs, tons and tons of overhead, etc etc. But none of those matter right? 

Why don't you just come out and say it? You wouldn't be happy even if they GAVE you the engines for free. Because you don't actually enjoy model trains. You enjoy bashing the companies and people who make it possible.