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I'm wondering if anyone has photos of the MTH PCC and Corgi diecast models of a PCC Trolley side by side or the MTH PCC and aWilliams Peter Witt trolley side by side - I'm trying to get a sense of how big the MTH PCC is.  

 

I recently bought the Williams Peter Witt trolley, which is a nice piece but a bit larger than I want (although I've measured and it is scale - just a a very, very big trolley in real life).  I want something a bit smaller to run through my downtown.  

 

So I bought the Corgi PCC 1:50 diecast trolley shown in the photos below.  While it is 11 inches long, you can see that overall it is much smaller than Peter Witt.  It would be fairly easy, but expensive, to convert it to 'Streets, to the point that buying an MTH PCC would probably save me a few dollars in addition to the time required to convert the Corgi.  But would it be the same small size?  The Peter Witt is 11.5 inches long.  MTH lists the PCC as exactly the same length, meaning it is probably talso larger than I want.

 

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Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
Originally Posted by cap:

How are you going to convert the Corgi? I had somebody at York do it, dropped it off there and got it back a month or so later.

Not sure.  I can certainly do it with bashed chassis from 'Streets vehicles, but I may take a different approach - will certainly consider it before jumping into it. 

The GHB power trucks are the best way: http://www.ghbintl.com/

Bowser also makes a PCC kit.

 

This is what the Bower looks like: http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/oscalecorgi.html

And its about half the price of the GHB.

Last edited by Flash
Originally Posted by phillyreading:

Bob,

 

I don't have the item number in front of me, but I can most likely find it in a day or two. The Septa trolley far as I know just has forward, neutral and reverse, no sounds.

 

Lee Fritz

Bob: Disregarding differences in operating systems, MTH has made 30 different PCC trolley models.  Go to the MTH website, click on product search, enter “PCC” in the product search box and it will give you a 5-page listing with photos or drawings showing all the various models that they have made along with their MTH product numbers.  

 

Lee:  the MTH website shows that they made 3 different Septa models with each one in a different paint scheme.  You are correct in that the first one did not have proto-sounds but the other two were available with PS-2.

 

HTH,

 

Bill

Attached are some photos of my MTH Railking PCC and a stock, unpowered Corgi PCC in the same Pittsburgh paint scheme.  The photos hopefully show the difference in size but the perspective of the lens tends to understate the differences.  Therefore I’m also including the following table comparing the measurements of the two models.  All measurements are in inches (rounded to the nearest 1/8 of an inch), were taken off track and admittedly may be off a little and not agree with the published specs. 

 

I’ve included in the table the comparison of the “curb” height as a common complaint about the MTH model is that it sits too high.  On the other hand IMO the CORGI model sits too low but perhaps after a power kit is added it would sit slightly higher due to taller wheels.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Bill

 

Measurement                                                                      MTH Railking    CORGI

 

Overall Length (including trim)                                             11 3/4          11¼

 

Width                                                                                       2            2

 

Height (overall with cowling but w/o Pole)                                 3½             2 7/8

 

Wheel Base (1st axle to 4th axle)                                              7½               6 7/8

 

Wheel Diameter                                                                          7/8          5/8

 

“Curb” Height (bottom of wheel to bottom of body)                       5/8          1/4 

 

 

 

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Actually, if you can find them, the Pennsylvania Heritage Society conversion kits were the best. They are a all-in -one chasis including interior details in brass, lighting and electronics. I wish I really would have bought more of these when they were available. The bowser insert sits high just like the MTH cars. The GHB models are correctly sized and very reliable, but they don't like tubular track and are noisy. I like the finish on the corgi models better and the fact that they do not tower over the other corgi vehicles on the road.

>Actually, if you can find them, the Pennsylvania Heritage Society conversion kits were the best.<

 

That's what I have!  It is awesome.   I didn't like the Bowser conversion, and I was going to go with the GHB but they had just come out -- I saw Corgis running at the PH table and the guy said "I'll build you one" and convinced me it was the better way to go.  The GHB replace the orginal trucks, which is elegant but the problem described to me is that you are then dependent on a flexy plastic base.

 

Anyway, I guess Lee got his original question answered - basically if the Peter Witt is "a bit larger than I would like" then the MTH PCC is gonna be way too big.

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