Anyone have new pictures of the Williams by Bauchmann hopper cars

Yet to see one myself.......

Not seen them at a good price yet either. Same price as a known MTH hopper I buy them. 

I assume we are talking about the new tooling hoppers? If so, I bought one. B&O. Not cheap but very nice. Excellent car.

I think I've posted photos before, maybe not. Either way I can post one tonight. Can't remember if it is on my layout now or not.

SJC, Yeah the new tooling version, I was hoping to pick some up for the Class A I ordered.

For what it;s worth don't buy directly from Bachmann! Try an internet vendor like Trainworld or Mario's, as I just bought a Peter Witt trolley for $119.99 from Trainworld and Williams by Bachmann wants around $330.00 for the same trolley car, so I paid almost one third of Bachmann's online price with Trainworld.com.

Lee Fritz

Is this the hopper from the old Marx molds?

RoyBoy posted:

Is this the hopper from the old Marx molds?

No way. New tooling - or perhaps Weaver or K-Line tooling Williams got. 

That looks really nice! I do have one question - do the couplers match up with Lionel/MTH couplers? When I bought a Williams boxcar some years ago, the couplers were too high. About 1/2 of the Williams coupler rose above other brands and didn'the look right. If they've corrected that problem, I'll probably get a few of these.

It may be Kusan tooling that K Line acquired. I'd know better if I had the inside dimensions, as I made some coal loads for the K Line hoppers I have.

Don

Thanks SJC,  and I'm assuming the coal load is fake?

SDIV Tim posted:

Thanks SJC,  and I'm assuming the coal load is fake?

Fake, plastic coal load that doesn't look bad IMO. Way better than, for example, the MTH plastic loads. Bachmann "says" it is removable but frankly, I don't think it is. It seems like it is really in there. 

SJC posted:

SDIV Tim posted:

Thanks SJC,  and I'm assuming the coal load is fake?

Fake, plastic coal load that doesn't look bad IMO. Way better than, for example, the MTH plastic loads. Bachmann "says" it is removable but frankly, I don't think it is. It seems like it is really in there. 

You can remove the coal load but you will need a very small flat-tip screw driver to do so and start at the end of the car and not in the middle and pry gently.

Also Bachmann is most likely using K-Line molds, or new molds, if they got permission from Sanda Kan corporation. Marx tooling was sold to another company and Bachmann doesn't have access to it.

FYI; Lionel had to quit selling K-Line by Lionel because they no longer have permission from Sanda Kan to do so.

Lee Fritz

That is a very nice looking car!

SJC posted:

SDIV Tim posted:

Thanks SJC,  and I'm assuming the coal load is fake?

Fake, plastic coal load that doesn't look bad IMO. Way better than, for example, the MTH plastic loads. Bachmann "says" it is removable but frankly, I don't think it is. It seems like it is really in there. 

The plastic loads can be lowered by trimming the tabs, and then add a layer of your favorite coal product. The loads do come out, but some fit quite tightly. Get one corner started with a tap on the palm, or carefully pry with something thin such as a utility knife blade, or use a paper clip opened up to form a hook and pull up. Does anyone have the measurements that I could compare to a K Line car I have?

Don

K Line had two 2 bay hoppers, one was close to O27 traditional, and one was scale. I don't know if the scale hopper was both plastic and die cast, as I only have the die cast car, and the plastic traditional. I believe that one is from the Kusan molds.

Don

The traditional-size K-line 2-bay hoppers were indeed from Marx - then K-line upgraded them from a cast-in brake wheel to a metal add-on. Trucks and couplers were changed, of course (some got plastic, some got die-cast). I have 3 or 4 of these (and a Marx original for comparison), painted and weathered. Better-looking than the Lionel PW 2-bay (also wider, maybe?).

Any connection between  the K-Marx product and the WBB? The photo above looks like Marx body tooling, but I don't know for sure.

Not 100% sure but I think the Weaver tooling went to Lionel or Lionel purchased the rights to it and is using the Weaver tooling in a new line of freight cars.

Lee Fritz

phillyreading posted:

Not 100% sure but I think the Weaver tooling went to Lionel or Lionel purchased the rights to it and is using the Weaver tooling in a new line of freight cars.

Lee Fritz

That's correct Lee. Lionscale, the new line from Lionel using Weaver tooling introduced two types of 3 bay hoppers, a box car and I think a covered hopper? The nice thing about the Weaver hoppers is that regardless of the style, the inside dimensions are the same, so one coal load is interchangeable with any style hopper.

Don

Don,

Nice to know about Weaver hoppers. As Lionel hopper dimensions are all over the place as to size, even some 2 bay hoppers are different depending on the year made.

Lee Fritz