Big Double Headed Santa Fe steam on the Joint Line ~and a helper on The Chief!

IMPRESSIVE, to say the least. With the excellent smoke effect you really can't tell they aren't real, except maybe a little clean for locos. Just incredible Erik. You've trumped yourself again.

Butch

Thanks Butch! By the way that lead unit in white rods was just shopped and not that out of dress for weathering. ;-)

Erik C Lindgren posted:

Thanks Butch! By the way that lead unit in white rods was just shopped and not that out of dress for weathering. ;-)

Now come on, i.e. "lead unit"??????    I sure didn't see any diesels in that photo!

Hot Water posted:

Erik C Lindgren posted:

Thanks Butch! By the way that lead unit in white rods was just shopped and not that out of dress for weathering. ;-)

Now come on, i.e. "lead unit"??????    I sure didn't see any diesels in that photo!

Oh boy I goofed up oh master Hot Water.

Steam rules no diseaseals allowed in this thread! 

Hot Water.  Help me out.  What is the correct terminology for the first and second and so on locomotives?  And when referring to all three what should we call it?  And what do we call the method of "connecting" them. Thanks. 

Just keeps getting better and better, Erik.  I understand that you're an experienced professional photographer and brush artist to boot.  But, for photo editing do you use Photoshop (like us amateurs) or what.   Thx.

Austin Bill posted:

Hot Water.  Help me out.  What is the correct terminology for the first and second and so on locomotives? 

With steam locomotives, the term is "double headed" or "triple headed", with the first, and second "helpers", ahead of the "road engine", in the case of a "triple header". The lead steam locomotive would have the train air brake control.

With diesel units, the various individual diesel units are "MU'ed together" to form a "consist".

 And when referring to all three what should we call it?

The steam locomotives would be a "triple header". With diesels, it would be a "three unit consist".

  And what do we call the method of "connecting" them.

With steam locomotives, the engines are simply coupled together, with the main brake pipe hoses/connections made up, and the automatic air brakes cut-out on each trailing steam locomotive. Only the lead locomotive would have control of the train air brakes.

With diesel units, there would be an electrical 27 point jumper cable plugged into each unit, plus the necessary air brake MU connections made up. All trailing units would be set-up to be controlled by the lead unit.

 Thanks. 

Hot Water posted:

Austin Bill posted:

Hot Water.  Help me out.  What is the correct terminology for the first and second and so on locomotives? 

With steam locomotives, the term is "double headed" or "triple headed", with the first, and second "helpers", ahead of the "road engine", in the case of a "triple header". The lead steam locomotive would have the train air brake control.

With diesel units, the various individual diesel units are "MU'ed together" to form a "consist".

 And when referring to all three what should we call it?

The steam locomotives would be a "triple header". With diesels, it would be a "three unit consist".

  And what do we call the method of "connecting" them.

With steam locomotives, the engines are simply coupled together, with the main brake pipe hoses/connections made up, and the automatic air brakes cut-out on each trailing steam locomotive. Only the lead locomotive would have control of the train air brakes.

With diesel units, there would be an electrical 27 point jumper cable plugged into each unit, plus the necessary air brake MU connections made up. All trailing units would be set-up to be controlled by the lead unit.

 Thanks. 

 

This is so amazing Hot Water thank you for sharing with us. 

Erik C Lindgren posted:

This is so amazing Hot Water thank you for sharing with us. 

Amazing?  No. Your photography talents are AMAZING. Railroad motive power terminology and technical stuff is simply what I've worked with for more than 50 years. Always glad to help.

Erik and Hot Water.   What a combo.  Excellent photos and real world terminology.  Thanks again.   

Ok Erik your killing me here!  That is some masterful photography!  I'm going to go back to laying track now.....

Erik,

I am a photographer and I have to say that is some **** nice work!  I learned photography in the film era and while I use Photoshop, I only know the basics.  No way I could do what you did with this photo.

And Hotwater,

Thanks for the informative terminology lesson.  On my railroad, I always refer to multiples as lash-ups.  I always thought consist referred to the whole train.

Tony

Tony_V posted:

Erik,

I am a photographer and I have to say that is some **** nice work!  I learned photography in the film era and while I use Photoshop, I only know the basics.  No way I could do what you did with this photo.

And Hotwater,

Thanks for the informative terminology lesson.  On my railroad, I always refer to multiples as lash-ups.

The term "lash-ups" is essentially a railfan/toy train term. I understand it was developed by Lionel.

 I always thought consist referred to the whole train.

Yes, it can also refer to the train mack-up.

Tony

Lead/Controlling ... middle/intermediate ... trailing

According to the selector switch on the panel 

Laidoffsick posted:

Lead/Controlling ... middle/intermediate ... trailing

According to the selector switch on the panel 

Right. Except that selector switch is ONLY for the train lined head light control, so when the Engineer needs the "rear headlight" for a reverse movement, the headlight on the complete rear of his MU consist turns on.

You know how many times the engineer asks me...do I have a rear headlight? I say...uh, NO.

Can you check the switch for me? Yeah yeah, it was on intermediate. 

The Chief gets some help from one of the old reliable.... on Raton..the hill!

Very nifty! 

The Chief, let loose of the helper rolls fast eastbound for Chicago.....

Great...now I gotta model the Santa Fe......

Erik C Lindgren posted:

The Chief gets some help from one of the old reliable.... on Raton..the hill!

O.k. this happen in real life I have seen pictures of the real thing.Great looking made picture you have here.

You're a force of nature, Erik!

Why can't you just be untalented and mediocre, like me?

The term LASHUP is NOT, was NOT first used by Lionel. Not sure where or why this non-sense keeps coming up.

Charlie

Erik,

I love what you have done with the photographs. Realistic smoke from the stacks as it billows into the sky is very difficult to do. Masterfully done !! I did a triple take !!

Erik, your work is just so wonderful to look at!  Thanks for sharing!  Falcon70

Charlie posted:

The term LASHUP is NOT, was NOT first used by Lionel. Not sure where or why this non-sense keeps coming up.

Charlie

Jerry Pinkepank, who is a highly-regarded railroader - authority on diesel locomotive model designation and former official at BN, presently a professional railroad consultant, among other professional positions - wrote an article which was published in Trains, years ago.  The title was Lash 'Em Up and the subject was an explanation of how locomotives are connected and how they operate in multiple unit consists.  There was some information about jumper cables and receptacles, air brake operation, etc.  Actually, it was a good article, and, even today, about 30 or 40 years later, it would still impart useful information to curious railfans.  Because Trains is the most widely read railfan magazine, the term may have grown from that use of it in print.

He heard a Foreman utter the title of his article at some roundhouse somewhere.  So, it really did get used somewhere on some railroad, but it is neither the common nor correct term for a locomotive consist.  I never heard anyone say "lashup" in my 37 years of engine service and service as a Company officer n the Operating Department who worked closely with the Mechanical Department.  Nor did Jerry Pinkepank, either, I'll bet.  But he needed a catchy title for his article about m-u operation.

Let's not say "lashup", except when discussing TMCC or Legacy control system questions or issues.

Then, we have "lash up" as a pejorative euphemism for any two or more pieces of model rolling stock hooked together; irregardless of whether they belong, or not - in the same way as an argument is called a "bun fight" or "handbags at 10 paces."

Lash up also has other connotations which I don't propose to canvas on this here family forum. 

Just sayin'   

I was sitting up in bed last night, on vacation in a different time zone and having had a cup of coffee later than I should have.  My wife had fallen asleep during the basketball playoffs, and, after North Carolina finished off Oregon, I wrote what was practically a short book on the use of terminology and how it related to Erik's masterful photos.  But I awoke this morning and had second thoughts.  This is Erik's thread, about his beautiful photos, and I do not want to even appear to hijack it.  So I deleted the post.

Amazing work, Erik . . . absolutely amazing.

I have to agree, the rendition of the smoke is so realistic.

I spend a lot of time using graphics programs during my day job and have not achieved that level of realism. well done Erik.

MaxSouthOz posted:

 "bun fight" or "handbags at 10 paces."

Lash up also has other connotations which I don't propose to canvas on this here family forum. 

Just sayin'   

"handbags at 10 paces"......too funnah

Stunning Erik!

Stunning work Eric!!!  BRAVO!!!!!

Thank you Chris, Howard, Patrick, Chris, Tom, Falcon70, Scrapiron, Charlie, Rapid Transit Holmes, SeaboardM2, and Santiago.. guys it's a pleasure to create this stuff when you enjoy it so much.  

Erik, your modeling and photographic talent is impressive to say the least

Those are some of the best and most realistic model railroad photographs that I have ever seen.  It is awesome modeling and photography.

NH Joe

Thank you Matt, I really appreciate that.  

Many thanks sir!

New Haven Joe posted:

Those are some of the best and most realistic model railroad photographs that I have ever seen.  It is awesome modeling and photography.

NH Joe

 

Whew those are some big shoes to fill Joe.. appreciate the love man! 

I have to give credit where credit is due. Your modeling skills are impressive