bing trains

Its not easy. The vast majority of 3 rail is DC in Europe i do Believe.

 

However you can just add a rectifier to go from AC to DC.  Not a big deal at all.

Madmax,

 

Bing made motors that were 4-6 volts DC, 15-20 volts ac and "high voltage" motors that take about 50-60 vac to run. Typically the earlier trains, for the English market especially, were 4vdc or High voltage. Later (not sure of a date without being at home to look it up, but would guess late teens to early twenties) they started making the 18 volt universal motors first with maual reverse then later with an automatic reverse. From my experience most of the American Market cast iron locos were 18v, the Engish and continental market locos just depends on the date they were made. I believe the high voltage stuff is usually marked by two lightning bolts, but I will have to check that to be sure. What loco are you looking at?

 

Rob,

 

the DC may be more true today, but most of the early european manufacturers used a similar mixture to what Bing offered, based on the market they were selling to. I have 4vdc Marklin, 20 vac/vdc universal and 20 vdc. (I don't own any high voltage Marklin yet, but I do have them in Bing and Jep) The Marklin 20volt super models you are familiar with were only made possible with the advent of small disc rectifiers (selenium I think), before that the dc models relied on permanent magnet motors, and were powered from accumulators (batteries to us). This was primarily because electrification and national grids had not gone in yet. Some houseds had no incoming power (in the US some places ran dc power to houses and some ran 25 cycle ac until we standardized on 60 cycle ac.

 

I also have a number of Bing lamps that take 110v wired to a pair of binding posts (yikes )

 

Roland

Roland, Thanks for the information...as always you are a fount!  I have 20VAC (66 designator) and 20VDC (70 designator) Supermodells.  I also have Bing for BL and BL 20VDC locos.  I have seen the High Volt Marklins and Bings (thats crazy!) Marklin uses different color arrows and I seem to recall that yellow is 110V, but could be wrong on that.

 

Madmax appeared to be asking about modern production IMO, so I responded that way... But I made an assumption, and we all know where that gets us... now that I look closer I am wondering what he really wants!!!

No i was asking about the early locos. One that i was looking at was in england. And the seller didn't know for sure if it was ac or dc. Also if Bassett and Lowke made dc and ac. So when i Do get one of these early loco's i don't toast its motor. Are there and good guides or other informantion on these and all the other turn of the centery trains and clockwork's.  Thx's for any help. Im looking at making a layout running the lost lines and some newer lionel and such and just run conventionls and clockworks.

 I bet those bing lamps really put the spark in the room!!

Rdigilo.
Another book of reprints to add to your list.

Bing Modellbhnen,Grandad's Model Railways. Compiled by Claude Jeanmaire put out by Verlag Eisenbahn 1972. It contains 27 different catalogs for various markets 1900-32.

Silver Lake,

 

that is a good book too as are all the books on Bing and other tinplate from Verlag Eisenbahn. I had not mentioned it as Madmax seemed to be interested in early English market trains, but I agree all those books are great, I spent a number of years searching them out. Of course once I managed to find them it seemed like they were everywhere at half of what I paid for mine. I also like the Marklin series and "Sie Anderen Nurnbergers"

 

Roland

I tracked down Volumes one and two of "Sie Anderen Nurnbergers". One feature of the second that is missing in the first is the short histories of the different companies covered. Also neither has any Bing coverage.

A newer book that I really like that does have Bing coverage is "The Golden Years of Tin Toy Trains 1850-1909"  by Paul Klien Schiphorst from New Cavendish Books 2002.  A possible rival could be the rumored Jerry Green Book. I saw that collection at Sothbys. There is a little hint of it in this months CTT.

Silverlake,

 

the reason that there is no coverage of Bing in any of the 7 volumes in right in the name. Die Anderen Nurnbergers" literally means the other Nuremburgers, and I believe the authors felt Bing had been covered well enough in the 5 or 6 Jeanmaire red books. (as far as I am concerned there can never be enough information on any of the manufacturers' output)

 

You are correct about Schiphorst's book, much of what is shown in there is from Jerry Green's collection, especially the accessories. (there is a picture of Jerry and Paul in the forward) The part of the collection you saw at Sotheby's was a smaller part of the whole collection. To see the whole collection is mind boggling.

 

Roland

Roland thank you for the Language lesson. I do not speak or read German and the production of Bing ended 42 years before I was born. Some of the books we have been talking about are also from before my time. I have been picking them up as I find them. I had no idea I still have five "other Nurenbergers" books to track down.

I have only a handful of Bing toys in my collection collecting these books is the only way I learn about them.
I do find them fascinating. Would joining a collector group like the TCA be helpful at all on this subject?

Other sources of information are the Schiffmann (German) price guides.

 

Schiffmann Band 5

Bing Spur 0

ISBN 3-928511-31-9

 

and

 

Schiffmann Band 6

Bing Spur 1

ISBN 3-928511-16-5

 

Here are a few other sources of information:

TCA (I'm a member) 

toytrains-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

http://www.traincollectors.org

 

TCS (Train Collectors Society - GB, also a member) 

TrainColSoc-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

http://www.traincollectors.org.uk

 

Ron M

Silver Lake,

 

There are occasionally articles on Bing in the magazines from the various clubs, but I find the clubs bring the opportunity to find collectors with like interests and the possibility of finding some of the trains in question. I see where you are based on your profile, I might ask what Bing you are interested in. (i.e. American, English, Continental market).

 

I would definitely recommend getting all the books you can. If you have the Jeanmaire books; 1898, 1902,1909, 1915, Grandpas toy trains, and the metal toys books (blue cover contains late 20s early 30s), I would suggest the New Cavendish Bing 1898, 1906 and 1912 catalogs, there is some crossover with the Jeanmaire books but these also contain all the cars, ships, steam toys and scientific toys as well.

 

If you are going to join a club I would suggest TCA as you could go to York, as well as some of the local shows. TCS is good and if you are interested in the Bing for Bassett Lowke models the BLS (Bassett Lowke Society).

 

The Rest of "Die Anderen Nurnbergers" is similar to the 1st two volumes, if you want i can tell you which volumes cover which manufacturers.

 

 

Ron,

 

the Schiffman books have good information, but unfortunately there are not enough pictures (unless they have added since my editions), so to use them effectively you need to be able to read "catalog German"and know the model numbers.

 

 

Roland

Roland
I don't know the "Metal Toys" books with the blue covers. I do have some from a British publisher with metal toys in the title. I think they are published by Hopewell. I also have the 1906 Bing reprint as well as a 1969 book printed by Basset Lowke that covers some of the Bing Production for them. I also have the RMC article from last year about the Bing for Basset Lowke  working LMS mail car.
I am curious what other line are covered in the remaining 5 volumes.

Harmony Books not Hopewell.

I will work up a list for you.

Roland

Silver Lake,

 

the blue book if from the same series as the red books, but for some reason they made the cover blue. I can find the series number and proper title if you need it.

 

Okay, Die Anderen Nurnbergers, Here is a quick list, i can provide more details if needed.

 

Vol 1

Karl Bub

Johan Distler & Co.

Georges Carette

Doll & Cie

 

Vol 2:

Falk

Güntermann

Fleischmann

Joseph Kraus (Fandor)

Ernst Paul Lehmann

 

Vol 3:

Issmayer

Ernst Plank

George Levy

Tipp & Co.

 

Vol 4:

Einfalt (kosmos)

Hausmann

Jean Schoenner

Conrad Klein

A. Schuhmann (A.S)

 

Vol 5:

Karl Arnold

Moses Kohnstam (Moko)

Karl Bub

Rock & Graner Nächfolger

Georges Carette

Schuco (Schreyer & Co)

 

Vol 6:

Ernst Paul Lehmann

Ullmann & Engelmann

Trix

 

Vol 7:

Fleischmann

Leonard Staudt

Ullmann & Engelmann

 

Many of these are toy makers, and some are wholesaler catalogs.

 

Roland

Thank you Roland. You've been very helpfull. The search continues.

Happy hunting.

 

Roland

 

PS Silver Lake makes me think of Mr. Cookie in Baldwin LI.

 

 

The Silver Lake in my call sign is a reference to my favorite spot in the western Adirondacks.

The English were ahead of the curve on accepting model railways as a legitimate hobby for an adult to have. Bassett Lowke and other English companies pushed the German manufacturers to build a better class of models for that market. Some of the models that Bing and Carette and to a lesser extent Marklin built for those companies were much better than the toy like trains they were turning out for their domestic market. It is interesting that you mention the Henry Greenly book. Bassett Lowke  was reported to have commissioned Henry Greenly to make drawings for Locomotives, carriages, accessories and so forth for use by Bing and Carette to make the models from.

 

Silver Lake cookie company is a baker that started in Baldwin Long Island, and I believe today they are in Islip. They make great Buter cookies.

Roland

I do like cookies. I'll have to look for a pack.

I have noticed the comparison quality between English and American trains of the same period. I have some 1920s passenger cars of English prototypes and the quality really stand out.

When you get to the larger gauges (I, II, III, IV) some of the efforts are really impressive. I have a friend who has what can only be termed a "private" car. It is a gauge 1 Carette coach with a rear compartment arranged for seating, a second compartment with a bed in it, the third compartment has a complete bathroom including a bathtub, and the forth compartment has a kitchen with a stove. Pretty amazing for a pre 1915 tinplate coach.

 

Roland