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Not sure I'm asking this in the right Forum category, but...

In a recent posting elsewhere on the Forum I saw amazing workmanship in the interior detailing of a streamlined O scale dining car.  Not the first time I've seen this sort of talent among forumites, mind you.  But this artisan had created lighted candles, a 'tour de force' IMHO!, which represented a live flame or electric lamp, I'd imagine.

But this made me wonder...  Were table candles...live flame or electric...a common practice in 1:1 dining cars, particularly of the regularly scheduled fleets of passenger trains, especially in the last century??

My own memories/experience in the late 40's, early 50's of train travel was on the B&O, C&O, CB&Q, NYC.  But, whereas I well remember a vase with a flower as a frequent enhancement of the dining table, I can't recall a candle in any form.  Other tall table items I remember would be a carafe of spring water or small pot of hot tea water.   The B&O was really extravagant, in my youthful mind, offering 'finger bowls' of water for that meal-ending complement to the linen napkin!  But, I can't remember a single candle...as WAS often gracing the home or local restaurant tables.

Thinking about it, I suppose there may have been several reasons...beyond the operating costs thereof:  Potential fire hazard, cleaning issues (wax drippings are a real nuisance anywhere!), durability (fresh candle for each seating???), children, etc., etc..  An electrified version might be a nuisance of a different sort if it required a plug-in cord.  During peak service hours, the dining car attendants might not appreciate having to deal with an electric candle in preparing the table setting for each subsequent patron/group.

Finally, I took some time to go through my own modest library of railroad books to search out photos or artists renderings of dining car interiors...B&O, ATSF, CB&Q, DRGW, mainly  Nary a table candle.  OTOH, there were several photos that showed wall-mounted sconces adjacent to the tables, mostly in the early 20th century ('heavyweight') era of 1st class railroading.  I'm quite sure the wall sconces were electric by then.

So, what say ye, more knowledgeable??   Table candles, yes?  Table candles, no?   And if 'yes', what railroads were so extravagant??

I must admit the aforementioned 1:48 creation was awesome.  It seemed appropriate.  But was it really authentic??

Just wondering.

KD

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His name escapes me at the moment, but there is a superb modeler from Canada, a retired math professor, who uses Lazer optics to make these lightedp candles on cakes in passenger cars with seated passengers.  And, his fees for doing this are reasonable.

He has a great reputation and I'm confident someone on the Forum will remember his name. He is often a vendor at York.

Arnold

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His name escapes me at the moment, but there is a superb modeler from Canada, a retired math professor, who uses Lazer optics to make these lightedp candles on cakes in passenger cars with seated passengers.  And, his fees for doing this are reasonable.

He has a great reputation and I'm confident someone on the Forum will remember his name. He is often a vendor at York.

Arnold

Arnold - the gentleman you mention is Jack Pierce.  He does superb work.  I have a diner that he did and the workmanship is impeccable!!

@Lionelski posted:

I've taken a number of Dinner Train Excursions. First class food and service in most cases and, yes, candles on the dinner tables.

Dinner trains, yes.  I've even experienced that a couple times. 

But that's quite a different service scenario compared with the fleets of regularly scheduled passenger trains of, say the first 2/3's of the last century.  Dinner trains are typically a single seating event for dining, travel usually at a comparative snail's pace, are out-and-back in their routing, and can accomodate candles...wax or electric..more easily, I would imagine.

Melgar...  I'd certainly like to see how the Shore Line dealt with the question in the book you referenced.  Not in my library, though, and I know we're not supposed to post such published pics on the Forum.  May I assume that the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad did, indeed, feature dining by candlelight??  That would be interesting to see.

GRJ...  I agree...lighted candles on the dining car tables are 'over the top' for modeling chutzpah and awesome for the observant.  Far be it from me to deny or decry anything done for FUN in this hobby!   Speaking of  table details, were I to attempt something of that order, I'd take a swing at replicating a dining car experience as a child while riding the CB&Q Morning Zephyr from Chicago to LaCrosse, WI.  Seated at a table near us on one of our annual trips were 4 nuns...all sipping away at chocolate milkshakes!!  What made it all the more jaw-dropping to this kid was their habits...their bandeaus were HUGE winged wonders...never seen before or thereafter!  Now THAT's a prototype sear of the brain I could replicate in Burlington diner and defend.  Unfortunately, Mom, my only family co-witness, is long gone.  I can still remember, though, how she replayed the experience to her LaCrosse family, laughing about the sight until tears came to her eyes!  Now those milkshakes were, indeed, 'cool' table enhancements!!

Again,...it's just a curiosity question. 

KD

The Arkansas and Missouri dinner trains do feature live candles, but, as you say, dinner trains.   Holiday trains use LED table candles in glass holders. 

A quick shufti of Orient Express dining cars (the gold standard) indicate electric table lamps with plugs in the tabletops and a corresponding port in the tablecloth for quick changes... 

Mitch

It just occurred to me that a modeler who does lighted candles on birthday cakes in passenger cars using fiber optics is Jack Pearce from Canada.

Mental telepathy? I thought of Jack Pearce independently of Patrick's above post. Jack gave a Zoom presentation a couple of years ago for  Wednesday Night Train Zoom done by a group centered in Albany, NY. I saw that Zoom presentation and it was excellent.

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It just occurred to me that a modeler who does lighted candles on birthday cakes in passenger cars using fiber optics is Jack Pearce from Canada.

Mental telepathy? I thought of Jack Pearce independently of Patrick's above post. Jack gave a Zoom presentation a couple of years ago for  Wednesday Night Train Zoom done by a group centered in Albany, NY. I saw that Zoom presentation and it was excellent.

Jack is the guy I always think of when I talk about the candles in the cars, he does a bunch of them

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