CB&Q Wooden Caboose Colors

COHR,

The reference for color I would suggest is "CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", by Michael J Spoor.  It shows Freight Car Red, Cascade Green, Chinese Red and MOW Orange on wood waycars (CB&Q word for caboose).  All dependent on era and all in slightly different shades and more or less weathering.  

For an absotivily, posilutely complete discussion, get a copy of "The Burlington Waycars" by Danniel, Reis and Douda.  There is also a plan book by Danniel with Wm Glick's drawings.

ChipR

Further,

Are you doing the 28' NE-1 or the 30' NE-xx?

ChipR

I am not interested in buying a book on it, this kit was not cheap, and I have three books on the Burlington, one B&W, and another with just a few color caboose pictures, the third only on steam power.  "Freight Car Red" and "Chinese Red" are likely colors,.....I think for my period, 1940, FCR is probably it, but?  I noticed the FCR faded to different shades in the photos, which had me thinking that would not be hard, but I wanted a color appropriate for car #14006, if the kit's shown number is correct for the series.

I have been in several cabooses (not Burlington) and remember many? as being painted a really light green on the inside, but....correct for the Burlington?  This is

Mullet River kit  #403036:  CB&Q 28' side door caboose.  I do not know that Mullet

make the 30' one as a side door (or if the Q had them).

(while rooting through the books, I was reminded that the Burlington, into the

1960's, was a major operator of gas electrics)

Okay..I didn't think this exact caboose's prototype is surviving, with a photo posted

on the net, but it is.  It is at the N. Freedom, Wis. museum, and is the boxcar, mineral, red color.  I have been to that museum twice, but did not remember this

caboose (stated to be at the far end of their property) and was not inside it to see interior color.  And its number there is 14006.

This museum is close to the Ringling Bros. circus museum.

Sorry, I missed the sidedoor reference.

The paint specification, as late as 1957, was for the exterior to be the standard Prince's mineral paint, including metal work on body and trucks.  The Chinese Red seems to have been introduced along with the red diesals.

The interior calls for, it appears to me, 2 coats of 1 part keg white lead, 1 part golden ochre, 1 part boiled linseed oil and 1 part turpentine.  

Cupola platforms, coal boxes, outside door casings, bunk frames, bunk partition moldings, etc. shall be painted a shade darker and mineral-brown added to the second coat to get the desired shade.

Ceiling to get 2 coats pea-green. 

ChipR

Wow!  Thanks! ChipR.... and there is that light green for the ceiling...yuck!, but that will be used.  The photos I did find do look as though the cars are all mineral as described.  Just sprayed sides, ends, and doors, so there is progress.

You are most welcome.  All info from "The Burlington Waycars".

ChipR

The best and most accurate paint color for a CB&Q wood caboose is, Floquil #110179 "AT&SF Mineral Brown", if you can find it.

ChipR

I could use some help too. I am in the process of reconfiguring an MTH Steel off set caboose to a CB&Q steel caboose blt in the 30s. I plan on painting it MOW Orange. The question is what color is the roof, undercarriage and platforms. The way I understand they were mineral red but have seen color pics that the roofs are black?

Thanks 

Suzukovich,

All the photos in the "CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" of MOW orange show the car body sides and ends and the cupola sides and ends to be orange.  Roof, underbody, trucks and all ladders and grab irons to be black.  The stove stack is unpainted, heavily weathered from heat and smoke.  Lettering is black.

ChipR

Thanks. here is what caused me to question the colors. One of the references I found on line had stated mineral red roof , trucks and under carriage, Champ decal sheet said the same thing. Black and white pic dated 1963 would show the red scheme, Color photo dated 1978 shows black. So you can understand the issue.

Thanks

Those "color" books are my favorites.  They demonstrate in my opinion that there is no one correct of anything, as it would seem the paint shops took some liberties at times.

I am banking on wb47's opinion, as I paint this kit.  Does not apply to the Burlington

(probably), but I have read that some short line railroads got a close match of whatever down at the hardware store if they did a car repair.

I have spent more time researching this kit, than building it, for now I have found that

versions fo this same car were operated by the Colorado and Southern, NOW my intended roadname.  (I opended the decal pkge. and found that, but with a caveat

to research prototypes).  I had found a list of C&S caboose numbers yesterday, but

can't find it today.  Mullet also makes a 30' caboose, and there was another CB&Q car (14560?) whose old photo looks like a 30' car with a large side door in front of the

windows at the front of the car, rather than behind them.  Mullet car is not side door,

but that is an easy fix if car is otherwise correct.

COHR,

FW&D purchased at least one CB&Q waycar, late in the railroad's existence.  I don't remember seeing any CB&Q waycars re-lettered for the C&S.

The C&S waycars are different from the CB&Q waycars:

1.  Different shaped ladders

2.  3 windows on the side rather than 4

3.  2 windows in the cupola sides rather than 1

4.  No silver, green or orange paint schemes until the BN merger

I think "The Burlington Waycars" book is the best source for information, available at Caboose Hobbies in Denver and Caboose Stop Hobbies in Iowa.

ChipR