Central Locomotive Works...?

No.  Saginaw.  A CLW predecessor.  Cast main frame & tender; cast iron drivers.  Same value.

Thank you...  

Mark in Oregon

Whatever the vintage the person that built the H10 in the photo's above did a very nice job.   The Saginaw/Central Locomotive Works H10 kits evolved in design and materials over the 40+ years they were offered.  It would be helpful for prospective buyers to know some spotting features when they are considering purchase of a finished model.    With comments by modelers on the forum hopefully we can flesh out the evolution of the Saginaw/CLW H10  product line like  was done with CLW diesels last year.

Engine chassis:  one piece cast brass >  2 piece frame with multiple spacers 

Drive: open geared main driver > enclosed gear box (cast brass > later plastic??)

Drivers: cast iron > lost wax brass centers, steel tires  > industrial plastic centers, steel tires, pickup wipers

Tender: sand cast body > photo etched sheet brass body (2 versions, high side Lines West, low side Lines East)

Motor:   open frame permag visible in the cab. (Were early Saginaw wound field?  Did late CLW H10's use Pitman can motors?)

Detail parts - many changes over the production span - late production CLW castings were very nice

IMO the most desirable version of the Saginaw/CLW H10 kits was 1970's CLW offering featuring lost wax driver centers and a detailed sheet brass tender.  

PS : Recently I was searching for CLW PRR brass H10 tender trucks and contacted CLW owner Lou Houlemarde.  Although  the trucks were out of stock he had  the side frame masters and arrange a small production run for several fellow PRR modelers - thanks Lou.   

If that is the one that I think it is, the price is a bit on the high side. I looked at it and could not get past the price; already having three Saginaw/CLW H10s, I decided to let this one go. Three to three fifty tops would be about right.

@PRRMP54 posted:

If that is the one that I think it is, the price is a bit on the high side. I looked at it and could not get past the price; already having three Saginaw/CLW H10s, I decided to let this one go. Three to three fifty tops would be about right.

Good to know; thanks.

...picture(s) perhaps?  

Mark in Oregon

I am with Dave.  $3-350 for any Saginaw or CLW in more or less really good condition.  $100 for beaters.

@Strummer posted:

Good to know; thanks.

...picture(s) perhaps?  

Mark in Oregon

Unfortunately most of my trains are packed away right now.

I have pictures.  Give me a few minutes . . .

Cool...somehow I knew you'd come through... 

For whatever reason, I find older models like this fascinating...

Mark in Oregon

I shall post these, then go flying.  Captions later . . .

Bob,

How come no fireboxes on  some of the  locos you have presented???

Good question - which ones are missing fireboxes?

#1 is CLW.  My first O Scale kit locomotive (other than A-N Diesels).  From Bob Smith, 1979.

#2 -Saginaw G5 - a little rough; I am just its caretaker.

#3 - Hybrid  - CLW boiler, lengthened, Saginaw frame, sprung.  Scratch tender.  Lobaugh drivers.

#4 - Saginaw

#5 - same as 3, but with a Walthers coach in tow.

#6 - Saginaw E6

All H10 Consolidations use the same boiler casting.  The hybrid Atlantic is simply the H10 casting with a 1/4" spacer (Atlantic is longer than the Consol).  The Saginaw G5 and E6 use different cab and boiler castings, and use sheet metal fireboxes.

Nice...thank you. 

Mark in Oregon

There is a story that I have heard that CLW locos have a tendancy to have a hitch in the valve gear, ie not run smoothly.    I have 2, an older one I got sorta built up and a kit I bought around 1980 that is not built up.    Both of mine run smootly.   I did not build the mechs on either one so I can't take credit.   So I don't know if the above is an urban legend, or based on some evidence among modelers.   I did not hear it applied to Saginaw locos.

Urban legend.  But when you build a kit you absolutely have to fit one rod at a time, and make them run smoothly.

Bob,

1.2&4. I'm sure that's just the way  the models were. No knock on you sir.

Ron

Not one of them have ashpans, but all the fireboxes on the H10s are identical, same casting.  Also the hybrid E6 has the same casting, just an extended area ahead of the cab.

I take your point, though - all would look better with an ashpan.  I built an I1sa, and it was really ugly until I added an ashpan.

Just looking for a digital photo of the I1 - turns out that it pre-dates my digital camera!  Easy to fix - maybe this week.

I note that PRR had commonality all over the place - boilers for E6, G5, and H10 are almost identical.  Boilers for K4, L1, and I 1 are likewise similar, and I take advantage of those facts.  My I1 is a Scale Craft K4 boiler, slit in the belly and widened five scale inches in diameter.  Its frame is a modified Lobaugh Berk with CLW H10 drivers and rods.  Tender was dirt-easy - no rivets!

@bob2 posted:

Just looking for a digital photo of the I1 - turns out that it pre-dates my digital camera!  Easy to fix - maybe this week.

I note that PRR had commonality all over the place - boilers for E6, G5, and H10 are almost identical.  Boilers for K4, L1, and I 1 are likewise similar, and I take advantage of those facts.  My I1 is a Scale Craft K4 boiler, slit in the belly and widened five scale inches in diameter.  Its frame is a modified Lobaugh Berk with CLW H10 drivers and rods.  Tender was dirt-easy - no rivets!

I would LOVE to see that.... 

Mark in Oregon

Here we go - ran flawlessly 25 years ago.  Hasn't turned a wheel in the interim.  Gearbox is NWSL; very difficult to install in the molded CLW  drivers.

...WOW...       

Must weigh a ton; thank you for showing us this.

Mark in Oregon