Correct adapter pins for joining Lionel O gauge track to Lionel O27. Gargraves 801 or 802?

There is also the Lionel part no. 6102948010 adapter pins. These were made to mate the 0 gauge rails of the #313 Bascule Bridge to 027 track.  Still available from Lionel, 50 cents each.

You can also simply use force the traditional O gauge pins in the O27 track. Note that, while working just fine, the larger size of the O gauge pins will enlarge the tubular rail hole on the O27 track loosening its fit should you rearrange and attempt to connect it to another piece of track with O27 pins. You can use ST-384 style track pliers to reform the rails to the O27 size.

Gargraves Item 801 is for joining Gargraves and Ross to tubular O gauge track.

Gargraves Item 802 is for joining Gargraves and Ross to tubular O-27 gauge track.

Neither of those is made for joining tubular O to tubular O-27.

Wow. Thanks,  I almost bought that Gargraves stuff.

Mannyrock

Thanks guys.

GN Man, the Lionel Parts number you gave me for the adapter pins doesn't work when I type it into the SKEW number box of the Lionel.com site.  Are there suppose to be some dashes in that long number?  I really want to get those pins.

Mannyrock

@Mannyrock posted:

Thanks guys.

GN Man, the Lionel Parts number you gave me for the adapter pins doesn't work when I type it into the SKEW number box of the Lionel.com site.  Are there suppose to be some dashes in that long number?  I really want to get those pins.

 

Mannyrock

You have to change the "Search by" drop down to "Replacement part number or name"

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

@Mannyrock posted:

Wow. Thanks,  I almost bought that Gargraves stuff.

Mannyrock

You jumped the gun. This is for O to 0-27. They didn't use GG on a Lionel bride.

I'm pretty sure the 0-27 to GG is 802.  They used to list length and pin. diameters, O will be longer and fatter.   You can also call GG and ask as they are very helpful.

Make sure you mention exactly witch style of turnout of GG you are using too. 

@bmoran4 posted:

You can also simply use force the traditional O gauge pins in the O27 track...

This works best.

@The GN Man posted:

There is also the Lionel part no. 6102948010 adapter pins. These were made to mate the 0 gauge rails of the #313 Bascule Bridge to 027 track.

Although this part is offered, it will be quite a bump at the transition point due to a design flaw.


It really should be offset, like the GarGraves adapter pins.

You can make your own by starting with three "O" pins, and grind one end(to the half way point) of each 3/4 of the way around to match the diameter of the O-27 track pins/openings.

If you instead grind them to the center like the above referenced Lionel pins, there will be a significant "bump" at the transition.

For an example of this "offset" method, look closely at the GarGraves "O" & O-27 adapter pins:

And actually, forcing the O pins into O-27 at the transitions works quite well as the bump is reduced to the slight difference in sheet metal gauge used to form the rails.

All of this assumes that you realize you will need to shim your O-27 track ties up slightly to match the track height of "O".

It's #802 with a picture at GG for GG/R to 0-27, only offered by the dozen. (803s are 801s in bulk amounts)

It's #902 at Ross.

It couldn't be more straight fwd. outside of the bulk listing isn't as clear, but bulk doesn't mention 0-27 at all either; just "801" or O.

Never mind. I thought you had decided you were using the GG.    

As always, fantastic advice from all.

Mannyrock

Well for goodness sakes.

I joined my O27 track to my O gauge track, and it was easy as pie.  Joining them was so simple, it was a non-issue in my layout..

Years ago, a computer salesman gave me a free little screwdriver type kit for setting up table model computers.  Among the small tools was a very small tool shaped like a narrow ice pick with a handle..  (Can't image what you would do with that to work on a computer.)  

Anyway,  I shoved that little ice pick into the three pin holes of my O27 track, and pushed hard. The point went right in, and enlarged the holes as I pushed.   After shoving it in about half an inch, each hole was enlarged to almost exactly the size for the fatter O gauge pin.

The two track pieces went together, and fit tightly.  Just for testing the track, I ran the train with no little ramp built under the O27 piece.  The train and cars ran fine. No derailments   Just a slight clicking sound as the train ran over the joint.

Just thought I would pass this along to perhaps help others.   Many thanks to Rob, for suggesting that I forget using adapter pins, and just use brute force!

Mannyrock