So I managed to find a guy to paint an MTH Ten-Wheeler into the Hooterville Cannonball from the Petticoat Junction TV show. And here is the end result. Enjoy!
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That came out rather well. 
It captures the essence of the Cannonball.
Rusty
Rusty Traque posted:That came out rather well.
Rusty
Thanks! Feel free to watch the review!!
Very nice to see something different.
GVDobler posted:Very nice to see something different.
Thanks, mate!
I'm interested in having a train like the Hooterville Connonball for my layout. Where can I get one like that?
Very nice video of your beautifully done engine and great history of the real one.
Don't forget to add one of these to your layout.
Copied these from the forum a long time ago.
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What continually amazes me is that with the exception of two HO models: a slightly over-sized Tyco and an Arbor Models white metal kit, is there has never been any other commercial model in any scale of Sierra #3:
Rusty
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Prairie Land Junction posted:I'm interested in having a train like the Hooterville Connonball for my layout. Where can I get one like that?
Well as I said in my video review MTH makes the 10-wheeler in variety of different railroad liveries. Virginia & Truckee is one. What this one was painted as prior to the Hooterville Cannonball was the Great American Circus locomotive from 2011. Base price usually is $429.99. Although you might find one on eBay for slightly cheaper. Depends where you look. As far as I know there is no commercially available Sierra 3. Other then the HO Tyco models during the late sixties early seventies. Somewhere in there. Sadly none of those are made anymore and trying to find one is pretty darn hard. Trust me I know. I've gone down that route. I have a Sprite drawing that a friend of mine made and I modified it to be as accurate to the colors the locomotive was painted. Here.
As for the tender decal, I used GIMP(Photo editing software like Photoshop) to enlarge it and scale it. You can use it for your build if you want. Just be sure to print in in the GIMP program, and not save it then print it.
You'll need to print it like this in order to get it onto decal paper. Good luck!!!
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CAPPilot posted:Very nice video of your beautifully done engine and great history of the real one.
Don't forget to add one of these to your layout.
Copied these from the forum a long time ago.
Thanks. As for the water tower, a Hooterville to Pixley branch is currently in the planning process in my head. XD. I can't wait to get started.
Rusty Traque posted:What continually amazes me is that with the exception of two HO models: a slightly over-sized Tyco and an Arbor Models white metal kit, is there has never been any other commercial model in any scale of Sierra #3:
Rusty
I know. It's sad.
Gentlemen,
Great old engine and tender, if MTH or Lionel would make it in the correct HV colors I would definitely invest in one!
PCRR/Dave
Thanks for the info. If MTH made one like the Cannonball, I think it would be a big hit with guys around my age (63), and maybe with the younger people, too. Also, those pictures of the water tower, does anyone know of any people that would make those for special order?
Pine Creek Railroad posted:Gentlemen,
Great old engine and tender, if MTH or Lionel would make it in the correct HV colors I would definitely invest in one!
PCRR/Dave
MTH made the Hooterville Depot a year or so back. So it must have been on their mind at one point.
Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
That is a very nice custom paint job and great review! I remember watching Petticoat Junction when I was growing up back in the '60s. I always liked the Canonball!!
RoyBoy posted:Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
The MTH 4-6-0 is much closer visually. The drivers are smaller, the boiler sits lower, is more or less the same boiler profile and the tender is closer:
Rusty
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Mark Boyce posted:That is a very nice custom paint job and great review! I remember watching Petticoat Junction when I was growing up back in the '60s. I always liked the Canonball!!
Thanks, Mark!
Rusty Traque posted:RoyBoy posted:Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
The MTH 4-6-0 is much closer visually. The drivers are smaller, the boiler sits lower, is more or less the same boiler profile and the tender is closer:
Rusty
I will say I did make a mention of the driver spacing during the wheel arrangement section of the review, but I played it over and over again, and it sounded kind of rude to be honest. So I deleted it. Besides, it looks like the Cannonball. I could really care less about the driver spacing. Now the "purists" and "rivet-counters" might have something to say about it. But I just say.."meh."
FutureRail, Unless you are skilled at building from scratch or bashing a locomotive, you have to be willing to take the best of what is available then alter it as much as your skills and or wallet will allow. While I like my models to be close to prototype, I am no purest. You got the essence of the Canonball/Sierra 3 and that is good for me. You have me wanting one now!! 
As I said, I always liked the show, Now that I am over 60, I sometimes make the comment, "Just call me Uncle Joe, 'caus I'm movin' kinda slow."
Mark Boyce posted:FutureRail, Unless you are skilled at building from scratch or bashing a locomotive, you have to be willing to take the best of what is available then alter it as much as your skills and or wallet will allow. While I like my models to be close to prototype, I am no purest. You got the essence of the Canonball/Sierra 3 and that is good for me. You have me wanting one now!!
As I said, I always liked the show, Now that I am over 60, I sometimes make the comment, "Just call me Uncle Joe, 'caus I'm movin' kinda slow."
Thanks, Mark. I'm just saying river-counters and all those guys/girls can say what they want, but in the end does it matter? What matters is if you are happy with the end result. It may not be perfect, but it makes me happy to have this one of a kind model. Also ROFL. That's funny. I can give you some details and some things I made to get the build done if you want them?
By the way, there was another Hooterville Cannonball.
The wood and metal prop locomotive of narrow gauge 4-6-0 RGS #20 built for the movie A Ticket to Tomahawk became the studio prop for Petticoat Junction. It's missing its stack in this picture, from Larry Jensen's book "The Movie Railroads:"
The prop was built using the original erection drawings and measurements taken off the actual locomotive in 1949. It took 100 studio craftsmen 2 months to build for a mere $30,000.
Rusty
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FutureRail Productions posted:Mark Boyce posted:FutureRail, Unless you are skilled at building from scratch or bashing a locomotive, you have to be willing to take the best of what is available then alter it as much as your skills and or wallet will allow. While I like my models to be close to prototype, I am no purest. You got the essence of the Canonball/Sierra 3 and that is good for me. You have me wanting one now!!
As I said, I always liked the show, Now that I am over 60, I sometimes make the comment, "Just call me Uncle Joe, 'caus I'm movin' kinda slow."
Thanks, Mark. I'm just saying river-counters and all those guys/girls can say what they want, but in the end does it matter? What matters is if you are happy with the end result. It may not be perfect, but it makes me happy to have this one of a kind model. Also ROFL. That's funny. I can give you some details and some things I made to get the build done if you want them?
That would be great! I do have a stand in Shady Rest Hotel (at least that's what I call it, though it doesn't look like the show) Although I must admit, it would be a project for after I retire in 1 to 4 years.
Mark Boyce posted:FutureRail Productions posted:Mark Boyce posted:FutureRail, Unless you are skilled at building from scratch or bashing a locomotive, you have to be willing to take the best of what is available then alter it as much as your skills and or wallet will allow. While I like my models to be close to prototype, I am no purest. You got the essence of the Canonball/Sierra 3 and that is good for me. You have me wanting one now!!
As I said, I always liked the show, Now that I am over 60, I sometimes make the comment, "Just call me Uncle Joe, 'caus I'm movin' kinda slow."
Thanks, Mark. I'm just saying river-counters and all those guys/girls can say what they want, but in the end does it matter? What matters is if you are happy with the end result. It may not be perfect, but it makes me happy to have this one of a kind model. Also ROFL. That's funny. I can give you some details and some things I made to get the build done if you want them?
That would be great! I do have a stand in Shady Rest Hotel (at least that's what I call it, though it doesn't look like the show) Although I must admit, it would be a project for after I retire in 1 to 4 years.
Well let me know when you get it started. I'll provide you everything I got.
Rusty Traque posted:By the way, there was another Hooterville Cannonball.
The wood and metal prop locomotive of narrow gauge 4-6-0 RGS #20 built for the movie A Ticket to Tomahawk became the studio prop for Petticoat Junction. It's missing its stack in this picture, from Larry Jensen's book "The Movie Railroads:"
The prop was built using the original erection drawings and measurements taken off the actual locomotive in 1949. It took 100 studio craftsmen 2 months to build for a mere $30,000.
Rusty
Yeah I knew that Rusty. I used to watch the show all the time when I was a kid and never realized it. It wasn't until a few years back that I watched the series again and realized there was a difference between the driving Wheels in the panning shots of the locomotive compared to the close-ups. That's how I found out about RGS #20. I didn't realize it was still in existence until about a year or so ago. It's stored in Durango now right? The prop locomotive?
FutureRail Productions posted:Rusty Traque posted:By the way, there was another Hooterville Cannonball.
The wood and metal prop locomotive of narrow gauge 4-6-0 RGS #20 built for the movie A Ticket to Tomahawk became the studio prop for Petticoat Junction. It's missing its stack in this picture, from Larry Jensen's book "The Movie Railroads:"
The prop was built using the original erection drawings and measurements taken off the actual locomotive in 1949. It took 100 studio craftsmen 2 months to build for a mere $30,000.
Rusty
Yeah I knew that Rusty. I used to watch the show all the time when I was a kid and never realized it. It wasn't until a few years back that I watched the series again and realized there was a difference between the driving Wheels in the panning shots of the locomotive compared to the close-ups. That's how I found out about RGS #20. I didn't realize it was still in existence until about a year or so ago. It's stored in Durango now right? The prop locomotive?
yup in Durango.
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Great job Futurerail. And talk about a coincidence, I was watching Petticoat Junction on YouTube a few weeks ago, and I started looking around for a locomotive to model the Cannonball! The closest one is the loco that you have. I'm just getting ready to start building my layout, so I don't need another project right now; but maybe later.......
John1361 posted:Great job Futurerail. And talk about a coincidence, I was watching Petticoat Junction on YouTube a few weeks ago, and I started looking around for a locomotive to model the Cannonball! The closest one is the loco that you have. I'm just getting ready to start building my layout, so I don't need another project right now; but maybe later.......
Wow! Thanks! What are the odds?! Got to be like a googleplex to one! Or one in a Googleplex as Doc Brown would say!
bigdodgetrain posted:FutureRail Productions posted:Rusty Traque posted:By the way, there was another Hooterville Cannonball.
The wood and metal prop locomotive of narrow gauge 4-6-0 RGS #20 built for the movie A Ticket to Tomahawk became the studio prop for Petticoat Junction. It's missing its stack in this picture, from Larry Jensen's book "The Movie Railroads:"
The prop was built using the original erection drawings and measurements taken off the actual locomotive in 1949. It took 100 studio craftsmen 2 months to build for a mere $30,000.
Rusty
Yeah I knew that Rusty. I used to watch the show all the time when I was a kid and never realized it. It wasn't until a few years back that I watched the series again and realized there was a difference between the driving Wheels in the panning shots of the locomotive compared to the close-ups. That's how I found out about RGS #20. I didn't realize it was still in existence until about a year or so ago. It's stored in Durango now right? The prop locomotive?
yup in Durango.
You know for being in such a state a ruin at one time, it's amazing that that prop even exists still! The guys who restored her are amazing...now if someone would actually get another train prop restoration started. None of you guys, just this guy I know. He's being pretty dodgy and scummy right now so I hope everything can be resolved at some point.
RoyBoy posted:Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
That was originally my thought, too, but the MTH 4-6-0 has the two domes closer to where they are on Sierra no. 3.
I have both the Williams by Bachmann and the MTH models, and I’m leaning toward converting the MTH one, currently in a Christmas scheme, into the Hooverville Cannonball.
Otherwise, I have to echo those comments about Sierra no. 3. Why no one has ever produced the biggest movie and television star in steam locomotives as an O gauge model is beyond me.
Jim R. posted:RoyBoy posted:Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
That was originally my thought, too, but the MTH 4-6-0 has the two domes closer to where they are on Sierra no. 3.
I have both the Williams by Bachmann and the MTH models, and I’m leaning toward converting the MTH one, currently in a Christmas scheme, into the Hooverville Cannonball.
Otherwise, I have to echo those comments about Sierra no. 3. Why no one has ever produced the biggest movie and television star in steam locomotives as an O gauge model is beyond me.
Probably because the show has been off the air for quite some time. MTH did make the Hooterville Depot so it probably was on their mind at one point. Maybe we could try to convince them to do a limited run of the engine and the coach? Kind of like Eric did with MTH and Legacy Station.
I will say when I get some funds back in my account this is going to be my next project.
Already got a 1:43 scale DeLorean. I'll probably pick another one up at this Comic-Con I'm going to this June and modify that for running on O gauge track. I got to sit in the team Fox DeLorean and meet Oliver and Terry, the husband and wife that go around the country with they're DeLorean time machine raising money for the Michael J Fox Foundation at last year's Comic-Con. Great people.
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Rusty Traque posted:RoyBoy posted:Except for the driver spacing, you could make one using the Williams by Bachmann 4-6-0.
The MTH 4-6-0 is much closer visually. The drivers are smaller, the boiler sits lower, is more or less the same boiler profile and the tender is closer:
Rusty
Wow! You are correct. I never realized that. Thanks. 
No, my point isn’t why the Hooverville Cannonball hasn’t been been made. It’s why Sierra no. 3 hasn’t been made.
Bachmann and MTH both have produced 10-wheelers, but they missed the one model that would have satisfied all who bought their 4-6-0s plus drawn in people who would be interested into converting the locomotive into one of Sierra no. 3’s many movie and TV roles.
It is odd. But I think maybe why they can't do Sierra 3 or any version of Sierra 3 in her movie and TV liveries is due to copyright issues the majority of the time. CBS owns Petticoat Junction but not the first two seasons as far as I know. They probably own the name Hooterville Cannonball. Locomotive 131 was in Back to the Future Part 3. They would have to ask to use the rights to Back to the Future just to even describe the set or just the locomotive. Not to mention they would have to ask DeLorean Motor Company for the rights to use the word DeLorean if they included it in the set. Sierra 3 is so famous, it's become in my own opinion one of those Untouchable locomotives that you have to get every single detail right or else the "fans" will get mad.
FutureRail Productions posted:It is odd. But I think maybe why they can't do Sierra 3 or any version of Sierra 3 in her movie and TV liveries is due to copyright issues the majority of the time. CBS owns Petticoat Junction but not the first two seasons as far as I know.
Can one really copyright a Rogers locomotive design from 1891?
Rusty
Rusty Traque posted:FutureRail Productions posted:It is odd. But I think maybe why they can't do Sierra 3 or any version of Sierra 3 in her movie and TV liveries is due to copyright issues the majority of the time. CBS owns Petticoat Junction but not the first two seasons as far as I know.
Can one really copyright a Rogers locomotive design from 1891?
Rusty
They could probably own the name "Hooterville Cannonball." Hence why they probably wouldn't make the set. But keep in mind Sierra number 3 has been out of service for almost 15 years now and was only restored a couple years ago. And she hasn't been in any movies or TV shows since the 90s. Maybe that's why they haven't done a model of her. And the only ones that really made a model was Tyco but that was the 1970s. Sierra 3 was still in the movies and CBS had just wrapped Petticoat Junction. I bet if there's a movie that comes out and Sierra 3 is in it, somebody will make a model for it. Heck they made The Wanderer from Wild Wild West and that movie turned out to be a total flop. Who's to say they won't make Sierra 3 in the future? As Doc Brown once said "The future is what you make it." If we push for a Sierra 3 model we might get one.
First, no one saying any of the O gauge manufacturers should make a licensed model. We are saying O gauge manufacturers could make Sierra no. 3, just like they have made N&W J-class no. 611, SP GS4 no. 4449, Nickel Plate Road no. 765 or any other steam locomotive that has gained enough fame to be a desired model product. Once made, it could more easily be customized by the buyer to suit whatever film or TV version he wants.
Second, since when does a steam locomotive have to still be running, or even in existence, to be saleable? There are no NYC J-1e or J-3a Hudsons anymore, yet that model has been produced repeatedly since the last one was scrapped more than 60 years ago. Same for the Milwaukee Road Class A Hiawatha Atlantics or F-7 Hudsons, the Santa Fe Blue Goose Hudson, the Baltimore and Ohio C-16 0-4-0 Docksiders, etc. The list is endless.
Third, no one holds a “copyright” for Sierra no. 3, as Rusty Traque noted. It’s an 1890 Rodgers steam locomotive, plain and simple. Manufacturers would simply need design data. That’s it. Given that the real thing exists, dimensional data would be easy to obtain.
What’s holding manufacturers back is a mystery, especially when you consider the generic 4-6-0 engines they have made. Tooling costs would have been the same for MTH and Bachmann had they produced Sierra no. 3 instead.
My guess is that it simply fell between the cracks over the years, and now our manufacturers are leery of new tooling costs. It may never happen, but it has nothing to do with the previous film or TV rights, its running condition or any lack of visibility.
FutureRail Productions posted:They could probably own the name "Hooterville Cannonball." Hence why they probably wouldn't make the set. But keep in mind Sierra number 3 has been out of service for almost 15 years now and was only restored a couple years ago. And she hasn't been in any movies or TV shows since the 90s. Maybe that's why they haven't done a model of her. And the only ones that really made a model was Tyco but that was the 1970s. Sierra 3 was still in the movies and CBS had just wrapped Petticoat Junction. I bet if there's a movie that comes out and Sierra 3 is in it, somebody will make a model for it. Heck they made The Wanderer from Wild Wild West and that movie turned out to be a total flop. Who's to say they won't make Sierra 3 in the future? As Doc Brown once said "The future is what you make it." If we push for a Sierra 3 model we might get one.
Well, the Wanderer model was just a repainted MTH General, not a model of the B&O William Mason, so no new tooling was required. If MTH wanted to and secured the license, they could have done exactly the same thing, paint up the old time 2-6-0 for the Hooterville Cannonball. Maybe even tool up a new roof for the passenger cars, which is exactly what Tyco did back then.
As far as Sierra #3 goes, it retains its presence in the endless reruns of the old western TV shows and movies (and even an episode of the A-Team,) so it is pretty ubiquitous.
Rusty
Jim R. posted:First, no one saying any of the O gauge manufacturers should make a licensed model. We are saying O gauge manufacturers could make Sierra no. 3, just like they have made N&W J-class no. 611, SP GS4 no. 4449, Nickel Plate Road no. 765 or any other steam locomotive that has gained enough fame to be a desired model product. Once made, it could more easily be customized by the buyer to suit whatever film or TV version he wants.
Second, since when does a steam locomotive have to still be running, or even in existence, to be saleable? There are no NYC J-1e or J-3a Hudsons anymore, yet that model has been produced repeatedly since the last one was scrapped more than 60 years ago. Same for the Milwaukee Road Class A Hiawatha Atlantics or F-7 Hudsons, the Santa Fe Blue Goose Hudson, the Baltimore and Ohio C-16 0-4-0 Docksiders, etc. The list is endless.
Third, no one holds a “copyright” for Sierra no. 3, as Rusty Traque noted. It’s an 1890 Rodgers steam locomotive, plain and simple. Manufacturers would simply need design data. That’s it. Given that the real thing exists, dimensional data would be easy to obtain.
What’s holding manufacturers back is a mystery, especially when you consider the generic 4-6-0 engines they have made. Tooling costs would have been the same for MTH and Bachmann had they produced Sierra no. 3 instead.
My guess is that it simply fell between the cracks over the years, and now our manufacturers are leery of new tooling costs. It may never happen, but it has nothing to do with the previous film or TV rights, its running condition or any lack of visibility.
I suppose that makes sense.
It would be nice for MTH to come out with a 4-6-0 steam engine with the cannonball colors with no name on it and labels with it where you can put your own railroad name on it. You customized the name and number you want on it. I wonder if MTH is listening to any of these suggestions?
