I have updated the TIU'S and now trying to update the remotes. In Barry's book it says you may have to depress the power button more than once when updating the remote. My question is how many times. I have tried and it just keeps telling me to release it, hold it, release it, hold it. for almost 10 minutes. The book says it is suppose to take around 4 minutes. The remote does not power up so that isn't the problem. Anyone know about how many cycles of on and off there are? This is the first time I am updating the remotes so I have no idea..
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Something's not right. I've never seen more than twice, as I recall. By the way, I use a gluing clamp to hold the button down for the prolonged period. When not in use, I keep it clamped to a thick block to tend to weaken the sring.
I you have to try multiple times, be sure to power the TIU off and on between tries, and follow the on-screen instructions precisely.
Make sure that the remote is powered off before you start holding the power button down.
If the remote powers on you're doing something wrong.
Remote is off. when it asks me to hold power button, I do. Then it says release. It repeats every few seconds. I continually get message to hold button, then release button but nothing loads. Just an endless cycle.
Jim,
Before you begin n the DCS Remote upgrade...
First, make sure that you remove the 1/8" stereo jumper from between the ProtoCast and ProtoDispatch ports of the TIU, and then power the TIU off and then back on again.
Second, make sure that the cable between the remote and the TIU's Remote Input port is a 4-conductor cable.
Third, inspect the two ports on the TIU and the remote to ensure that there are not any bent or shorted pins.
This and a whole lot more is all in MTH’s “The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition", available for purchase as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!
I've also noticed that the last time I did this, I had to power cycle the TIU right before I started the update. I was getting something similar, I just started everything from scratch and the update proceeded normally.
Finally got it to work.....now on to the remote......Thanks for all the help. Thanks gunrunner, that is how I got it to work. The first time you try it you don't know how long it should take.......
Jim,
Thanks gunrunner,
Good job thanking John, when I posted the same thing an hour before he did.
Finally got it to work.....now on to the remote.
What did you get to work? Wasn't the problem with updating the remote?
Got it done. now just a little trouble with backing up the remote to the computer. Always a little challenging the first time. Thanks Barry and everyone else.
Powering off the TIU has to be done after every function. WHen a job is done, the program screen says to remove cables and, most important, turn off the TIU.
Yes, now trying to do the remote.......
Find yourself a little clamp to hold the power button for the remote. You have no idea how long 5-6 minutes is until you have to sit there and hold the stinkin' button constantly for that length of time!
I have 2 TIU with remotes. One, mine has 'DCS' splash on top. The Other, the clubs, has 'Proto 2 Sound'. after practicing following the process thru and finally getting it right on my equipment wen on to the clubs. Struggled again getting system to find the com port. Got that for the TIU and flashed the 6.1 into it. Then tried to update the remote. Back to Com port not found. Observed that on power up the TIU led flashes 15 times. Could stop the led flashing by power up with audio cable in place. Finally The remote reports 6.1, BUT shows'INACTIVE ENGINE' AT THE TOP' AND 'INA S/U ALL' at bottom. changed remote to addr 15. remote continues to try to find TIU at 1.
Any suggestions?
Anyone know difference between The 2 differently labeled TIU's? What is latest TIU hardware?
Look on the bottom of the TIU, there is a version label on all but the original Rev. G units. No label, Rev. G Only the Rev. L has the USB port.
Look underneath TIU. If it is Rev G, it will not have a sticker. All subsequent versions had a sticker. All TIUs, whatever version, will run 6.1.
Unchange remote address, back to 1. That is not relevant to this exercise.
Something is wrong if a TIU flashes 15 times. That's the first issue to cure.
A TIU that flashes more than 5 times is defective.
To add to Barry's comment, it's usually not possible to repair those either, none of the easily removed parts are involved in that failure.
OK, That is the one that the Club owns. They had given up on it. It does have a label 'FCC ID OT8RFMT'. I am assuming that is the FCC license that was likely issued after production started.
My unit clearly states Rev13. What does that tell me relative to being the latest hardware. I guessing the Rev L with the USB port is the most up to date then. If we have to replace the club's TIU, I want to ensure we have the latest Rev.
I downloaded the book but haven't searched it for what the number of LED flashes means on startup. I gather that 15 is catastrophic. Will come back to that unit later.
Thank you for you help.
I believe Rev I3 is the latest one prior to the Rev L production. Rev L has been in production for a few years now.
More than five flashes indicates an internal processor or memory failure, and AFAIK, it's an unrepairable failure. Many of the failures are able to be repaired, individual channels, DCS signals, etc.
Not unrepairable just difficult. Risk to damaging traces on a very closely spaced multi leg chip. G
George, I'd say very....very... difficult without an IR rework capability. The chips with pins on all sides at such close spacing are pretty close to impossible to do with a soldering iron.
The number of flashes is the number that the user has assigned to that particular TIU. Must be from 1 to 5. New TIUs come set to 1. This has nothing to do with the number you assign to a remote. Each TIU on the layout should have a different number; doesn't matter with the remote. All my remotes are set to #1.
for GGG
Yes, I understand. Interested in what chip. Opened unit and re-seated RF module. Some improvement in connectivity, but still led flashing > 5. I have 20 years working with Telcom and instruments with SMT boards. I can't personally rework, but may be able to get it done. HOWEVER suspect it will be better to have it repaired or replaced. I am retired and would need to go to old contacts.
I am just always interested in this aspect. My experience back with trains in from Nov 2017. Most people in the area club are afraid of the modern trains. I am certainly a neophyte, but love to learn.
Won't focus on this, but will likely come back to it now and again.
Thank you guys for the help. I now happily have 3 MTH engines running, a conventional post war, and and 4 legacy.
Have and am reading Barry's book.