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  I was looking for some oddball reefer decals and found this dealer.  His ebay name is K4_pacific.  I wanted two of the decal sets he had in white, but I needed black.  He switched the colors at no charge and if you buy 4 sets, he discounts the 4th.  So I received 4 sets of decals for less than $6 each shipped.  The decals are really thin.  99% of my decal work has been with champ. But these are thinner and more fragile than champ.  needless to say, it is easier to make the film disappear with dull coat. 

I use to let the Champs float off the paper, pull them out of the water and place on the model.  But the K4 decals are so fine, it is better ( and recommended by K4) to leave them on the paper.  It only takes 20 seconds for them to be ready to slide off.  I got to the point where Id dunk the decals and set them aside out of the water and things were rolling pretty fast.  If you try there, Id suggest experimenting with some part of the set you will not need just to get familiar with working with them.  I have done 3 cars fo far.  Couple of pics attached.

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With the K4 decals you really do need to slide them off the paper on to the model.  They really want to stick to themselves too so sliding them off the paper really helps avoid that.

His Frisco decals seem to be a little too yellow and light colored.  I'm going to make this one a sun faded geep.

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I like the variety of decals. I do have a couple issues with those decals. One is the crummy plastic bag he uses to contain the decal sheet.  The bag will sometimes adhere to the decal sheet and will leave distortions in the decal itself. This problem may be caused by hot humid air exposure during shipping as well.

The other issue that I have is that I contacted him about this problem and there was no response.  Not the greatest customer service.

Thank you to all posters of this thread.

I recently purchased K4’s California Zephyr decal sets in both O & S scales.  

To get all of the CZ car names within each scale, you have to buy both CZ Set 1 & CZ Set 2.  

I have not used these decals.  It will be at least a year before I use them.  

I have 15” (60’ Scale) 18” (70’ scale) aluminum CZ cars from Lionel, K-Line, MTH, Williams, & Weaver.  I plan to redecal my duplicate models to other prototypical CZ Silver Names.

The K-Line 15” & MTH 18” CZ cars have larger lettering than the Lionel, Williams, & Weaver 15” CZ cars.  Therefore, I purchased the CZ decal sets in both O scale & S scale in the hope of having font size consistent with the current font size on the models from each manufacturer.  

Thanks for sharing your experiences with application of these details.  I will refer to this thread when I redecal my CZ cars.

Steven Michael, I agree with your assessment.  This is a first generation MTH RK Mohawk that I converted from ATSF to NYC.  These are K4 Decals.IMG_0477IMG_0478IMG_0479IMG_0480

Apparently the decal film was softer than others because I couldn't move them as much with the tip of a fine paint brush as I had other decals in the past and under magnification I feel color saturation could have been a little better but the look fine to the naked eye.  They fit the bill for what I wanted to do with this engine perfectly.

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I've purchased a few of the Grand Trunk Western 86 ft hi cube sets from K-4 Decals, and they looked okay to me.   Now. since they specialize in fallen flags, maybe the lettering is to look faded for a reason?  I don't know, but my GTW sets looked good.   He used to have some nice sets for Southern, and N & W 86 ft cars as well, but did not see them in my latest search on his website.

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I like the variety of decals. I do have a couple issues with those decals. One is the crummy plastic bag he uses to contain the decal sheet.  The bag will sometimes adhere to the decal sheet and will leave distortions in the decal itself. This problem may be caused by hot humid air exposure during shipping as well.

The other issue that I have is that I contacted him about this problem and there was no response.  Not the greatest customer service.

I noticed the same 'sticky' bag issue as rec'd in the mail.  Can't say I saw any residual witness in the decals after removing the decals from the plastic bag, though.

More importantly...IMHO, of course...is the excellent quality of the same decals after application/sealing to the model.  Again, no perceptible flimsy bag witness where it counts.

Since the K4 plastic bag is not resealable, I always transfer the remaining decal sheet to a freezer-type, sealable, 'zip-loc' bag for storage.  The K4 bag in question is filed in the round (more rectangular, I suppose!) open-top container in the workshop.  It'll keep the other discards company in the notorious landfill.

On a more positive note, I appreciate the paint color recommendation and decal placement schematics.  While I may double check them against my own books, photos, articles, whatever, I've found them to be quite accurate.

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Never had any issues with Mikes decals. Good as Microscales, Circus City and Highball Graphics.

If you were not satisfied with the results, it’s not the decals. Might need to experiment or modify your standard approach?

These help me offer my ebay customers schemes that the OEM’s continue to ignore in O.

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BAR MTH PS1 D 2031ebay 21 [1)

FRISCO MTH FF Custom SP Collection 20 [1)

MAKE YOUR OWN SERIES [1)

MILW WE RIB 2179 Decaled ebay 22 [2)

PC MTH PS1 50 SP Collection 21 [1)

RF&P L PS1 Decaled 2111 ebay 22 [1)

RI WE PS1 2181 ebay 22 [1)

RI WEAVER BOX CAR PS-1 40' 2071 DECALED ebay 21 [7)

SA WE PS1 2020 ebay 21 [10)

SAL WE DD SP Collection 22 [5)

SOU HY CUBE MTH RK SP Collection 21 [7)

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Never had an issue using K4 decals. Their early alphabet decals had a tendency to be a bit “thin” and not really opaque.

I have used over 100 of their o scale sets and they are great. They do have a tendency to fold, but a bit of water and a fine brush fixes that. The packaging was never an issue for me. The plastic does stick to the decal sheet, but it isn’t a problem. Usually it more static than moisture.

Like SIRT says, good results are often based the user’s technique.

My results are not as great as SIRT’s work with the beautiful weathering, but they work well for my projects…

Tom

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Nice modeling work gentlemen !

If you're concerned with decals being too thin and delicate you can spray the decal sheet with clear gloss spray paint from krylon it will give decals a bit more thickness and strength . Also a good trick for older decals as it will keep them from crumbling apart in the water. I tape the sheets down to an old tablet back and lightly spray them ,let them dry overnight and you're good to go!

Depending on the printing procedure some decals will be less opaque than others. That can be cured with putting a second decal over top the first one to deepen the color . 

@coach joe posted:

Steven Michael, I agree with your assessment.  This is a first generation MTH RK Mohawk that I converted from ATSF to NYC.  These are K4 Decals.IMG_0477IMG_0478IMG_0479IMG_0480

Apparently the decal film was softer than others because I couldn't move them as much with the tip of a fine paint brush as I had other decals in the past and under magnification I feel color saturation could have been a little better but the look fine to the naked eye.  They fit the bill for what I wanted to do with this engine perfectly.

That’s exactly what mine looked like! Obviously in N scale it’s even worse with them being so small. Glad to see I’m not the only one with this issue.  I’m giving K4 another shot so I will report back.

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And no, I will not be taking a “different approach”. I know how to use decals.  The edges were visibly fuzzy before I even cut them out of the sheet. I stripped them off and replaced them with Microscale and Highball equivalents and they were fine.

I sympathize with anyone who's had issues with K4, they can be tricky,  but I don't agree with most any of the negative issues asserted regarding them outside of maybe some minor scale fidelity, which candidly I have not encountered, though given their HUGE catalog might lurk out there based on a statistical probability.

Virtually any issue I had with these was regarding my having to adapt my own technique away from a decades long process for Champs, Walthers and Microscale and variety of custom printed sets, learned the hard way.

These are great decals.

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