does anyone control the ross switches by TMCC

This TMCC control of DZ 1000's is done with an SC-2 controller.   There are two sets of DZ 1002 push buttons per switch and the SC-2 controller. SC-2 controller will accommodate (6) switches.   Fort Pitt Highrailer  "Y" module.

 

Click on the triangle. All switching is done with a Cab 1 and Command Base via the SC-2 controller.  Most switches in the video are paired cross-overs.

DZ-2500 switch machines throughout my layout, connected to a data driver to the command base, each switch has it's on address number.

I also use DZ2500s with a command bus wire to fire switch motors with my CAB2.  I know that the first generation of DZ switch motors could not be directly controlled by the Legacy base.  

 

I do not have any experience with TMCC/CAB1.  I do have an a couple SC-2 that I am not using.  Email me if you need them..... time4trains@live.com  But if you are using Legacy an DZ2500s you don't need the SC-2. 

 

good luck!

Which switch machines, DZ 1000 or DZ 2500? Makes a big difference.

Our club/museum tried it on a very large layout. It was a disaster. I wasn't directly involved, but the guys who took care of it were constantly replacing switch machines and diagnosing malfunctions. We tore out the TMCC hookup and now they are controlled only from the panel. This was on a big layout; on a smaller layout with less real estate and fewer switches it might work better. 

On a former layout I controlled  the DC Tortoise Motors, with Cab 1 through ASCs and diodes to rectify VAC. First 7 modules on the left[photo 1] controlled 32 turnout motors.

 

I found it unwieldy and distracting punching buttons on Cab 1. So, after dismantlement of the big layout and I built my small 9x16 attic round-the-wall operation I went with direct Toggle switch operation of the 17 Ross and Curtis turnouts operated by Tortoise and powered by a 12VDC wall wart.

 

Placing the Toggles appropriately in relation to track schematic on a simple homemade panel[photo 2], the "lean" of the Toggle handle toward either the "out" or "through" position on the schematic provides an immediate indication of the switch position...to a siding[out] or the mainline [through].

 

I don't need indicator LEDs for determining position of remotely located turnouts or have to watch the Switchstand Lights that I can see from my Senior Citizen perch.  

 

Crude but simple for old folks with comparatively small run and display layouts.

 

I have been controlling DZ-1000 motors on Gargraves and Ross switches for many years on my layout using a TMCC CAB-1 with the switch motors connected to SC-1’s and SC-2’s.  SC-1’s are much less expensive if you don’t need the extra amperage capacity for controlling certain accessories. 

 

Bill

I am setting mine up to use with ASC2's  While I bought the 2500's to use with the data wire I have ended up direct wiring them to the ASC2's. I also have a few 1000's.

 

Overall it works pretty well

Have had issues with the 2500's not throwing all the way. How are yours?

lets see if i can ask this question

i have three switches in "WYE" configuration  and i have a command that goes one way and then another command that reversed the "WYE" in one movement

 

also have the big cross over (man what a $$ HIT) can i program that it goes from mainline to secondary line and control with two commands or three??

Yes.

On the cross over, have the two facing each other assigned the same number. Say turnouts numbers 7 face each other diagonally left to right from outer track to inner track and the other two, turnouts 8, face each other from inner track to outer track diagonally.

Could be a route throwing switch motors in sequence on the 3 way. Have done it for the ladder type or a big y reversing section off of a main line. Then a third route sets the two on the mainline straight.

I have controlled 32 Ross switches (28 individually and 2 paired) using TMCC/CAB 1, Powermaster for eighteen years. Switches are powered by NJI motors and controlled by IC Control #ASC 3000, now Lionel ASC 6-14182.  They work beautifully. I am able to set up routes, as well as operate them in a non-de-railing mode, by removing the spring on the bottom of the switch.  For backup, in the event of motor failure, the switches also are wired to a control panel/pushbutton which I rarely use. Switch motors are mounted beneath the layout on RIX hangers. The motors are no longer made. The NJI motors were used, because at the time, Lionel SC 1s could not handle the amperage for the motors.  Shortly after I built the layout, the SC 2s came out.  They will do the job. My track is Gargraves.  I have had three motors go "belly up" since installed.  Fortunately, I have a few extra motors.  A major reason I have held back on moving to Legacy is because I have been unable to get a definitive answer as to whether my switches will operate as effectively with the Legacy Base/CAB 2, as they do now.  I do think they may work with the Legacy L/Cab 1L/Powermaster L arrangement, but I am not convinced the gains made by such a move warrant the expenditure needed.     

Yes - have used the IC Controls ASC 3000 with Ross switches flawlessly for years.  That double cross over of yours should have a Z stuff relay hooked up to it if you want slow speed operation through the switch.  Mine came  with one.  They can be a pain because you can't set this up for non derailing and if you run through the switch turned the wrong way - puff - there goes the relay.  I won't use this switch on a mainline again.   I would use two single crossovers.  But, you may not get that far, and in the end, may not want to.

am somewhat confused, am old fashioned i like to hold stuff in my hands before spending $$  in my other pursuits (shooting, ham radio) i can do that much easier than this hobby

 

is it possible for someone to do a block diagram for Ross using

DZ2500

DZ 1008

6 switches associated with

Ross double crossover

 

controlled by??

SC2 controller or dz2001A data wire driver (wouldn't having both create some redundancy?)

again here is my modest layout and all the switches are there even though there are not many having to push all the buttons might created disaster

 

 

 

have both 6 on single switches and then the crossover that gave me four individual switches if i wanted to do it that way

Might get a little expensive but a DZ1000 can be made TMCC controllable by adding a DZ2000. It connects right to the wires of the turnout machine, is programmable from #1 to #99. No "home run" wiring needed back to the SC's, TIU's or control panels. I have a number of them on my layout.

but

 

The DZ-2000 receives a TMCC signal on a data wire generated by our DZ-2001 Data Wire Driver and is especially designed to operate our DZ-1000 Switch Machine. It will operate most other switch machines and traditional accessories. It can easily be set for any SWITCH or ACCESSORY address.

 

need the dz2001A also