I stopped by the Oregon Rail Heritage center on Friday. I was hoping to get one last look Doyle's Nickel Plate RR PA before it went to its new owners. I was too late, it left Wednesday morning. They thought it was in Pasco, WA on Friday. So anyone along the BNSF (I assume) in the north, keep an eye out for it.
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@cbojanower posted:I stopped by the Oregon Rail Heritage center on Friday. I was hoping to get one last look Doyle's Nickel Plate RR PA before it went to its new owners. I was too late, it left Wednesday morning. They thought it was in Pasco, WA on Friday. So anyone along the BNSF (I assume) in the north, keep an eye out for it.
She is still in the BNSF freight yard in Vancouver Wash., and might depart tomorrow, the 23, for Pasco, Wash.
Who bought it?
@SantaFeJim posted:Who bought it?
Genesee Valley Transportation in Scranton, PA. Same folks who operate the Delaware-Lackawanna Railroad. Apparently they plan to complete the restoration to operation begun by Doyle.
Curt
The Delaware-Lackawanna Railroad's motive power roster is almost entirely Alco. They have the know-how and expertise to get it running and keep it running. That will be a good home for it.
Since it's painted in NKP livery, it would have been nice if it went to the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owners of Nickel Plate Road steamer 765, but it didn't happen that way. 
Wow!!! As a resident of NE Pennsylvania, I look forward to seeing the restored engine on a run in the neighborhood. Would it be heresy to hope it’s redone to it’s D&H paint scheme???
@Apples55 posted:Wow!!! As a resident of NE Pennsylvania, I look forward to seeing the restored engine on a run in the neighborhood. Would it be heresy to hope it’s redone to it’s D&H paint scheme???
Yes. Especially since it was originally a Santa Fe unit.
If I am not mistaken one is being worked on at the RR Museum in Frisco Tx. This will be Santa Fe scheme.
@SantaFeJim posted:If I am not mistaken one is being worked on at the RR Museum in Frisco Tx. This will be Santa Fe scheme.
Jim;
Apparently, this PA will be worked on by Genesee Valley Transportation in Scranton. I found the article below online. Should be an interesting project. While I’d love to see it in D&H (a personal favorite), I could see the original Santa Fe, and could understand leaving the current NKP livery - from a photo in the article, it looks like Mr. McCormack did a beautiful cosmetic restoration of the shell. Hopefully the local media covers when the engine arrives in Scranton.
@Apples55 posted:Wow!!! As a resident of NE Pennsylvania, I look forward to seeing the restored engine on a run in the neighborhood. Would it be heresy to hope it’s redone to it’s D&H paint scheme???
Yes.
Doyle McCormick (who was formerly a Nickel Plate Engineer and comes from a Nickel Plate family) put his money and his sweat into restoring the PA and he decided to paint it to memorialize that fine railroad of years past. We are thankful to him, because, due to his knowledge and hard work, there is an Alco PA unit that will run on a main line railroad again before long.
I'm in my 77th year, and the last time I saw an active PA was in 1968. I was 22 then, and I never thought I would see another one run during my lifetime. Nickel Plate will be just fine.
I'm with Rich and Tom. The experts at GVT are best equipped to get this ALCo running again if possible.
And look at it this way. There were instances of NKP equipment forwarded on the DLW tracks the PA would be running on.
Anybody remember this D&H PA operation... And the D&H PA's also ran on the EL in commuter service to Hoboken, NJ in early 1970's...and I actually saw this 1 passenger train at West End tower, Jersey City, NJ as I passed it while riding an ex-DL&W MU train west!
From Railfan & Railroad magazine... The Albany–Montreal route was not included in the initial Amtrak system, and so the Laurentian and Montreal Limited made their last runs in April 1971, and the PAs were stored. By this time, D&H and Erie Lackawanna were under common ownership of Dereco, a Norfolk & Western holding company. A set of PAs was sent to EL in Hoboken to test out in commuter service, but the set made only one trip before being returned to Colonie.
Walter
Didn't see them in NJ, but did at Colonie. Pictures taken by poster.
Saw them on a Fan Trip in May 1974. Pictures taken by poster.
Anyway to track its run to PA? I'm guessing it will likely run through Alliance Ohio.
@jini5 posted:Anyway to track its run to PA? I'm guessing it will likely run through Alliance Ohio.
Try going to the Genesee Valley Transportation website, as they might be providing up-dates.
Lot's of cameras along the way from Washington to PA. , on the VRF site on Youtube. Horseshoe Curve being the most notable that it may pass.
Whatever scheme it winds up in is fine as long as it's being preserved.
Bob
@GG1admirer posted:Saw them on a Fan Trip in May 1974.
Love that shot. That looks like the Starrucca viaduct in the background. If so, regrettably I believe that the D&H tracks are long gone. But maybe the restored PA can run over the old Erie trackage over the viaduct.
I saw these D. and H diesels back in the 70's when my wife and I would go to Erie.
@Hot Water posted:Try going to the Genesee Valley Transportation website, as they might be providing up-dates.
on facebook
Caught the PA on VRF's current grab-bag 02:55 through SantaFe Junction
I was in Scranton to visit Steamtown 4 years ago and the Delaware Lackawanna had a lot more than one engine in the area. The yard was packed with Alcos in that paint scheme in the morning and they all left on trains shortly after we went into the museum. There must have been 4-5 sets of at least 2 units each.
One of the prototype magazines has been reporting that D-L is building or has built a new engine house in the Scranton area.
I honestly don't care what paint scheme this locomotive ends up in. Just seeing a running PA will be very exciting.
I liked this unit in all of its various owner's paint schemes - Santa Fe, D&H, NdeM, and NKP.
Maybe this was already posted and I didn't see it, but this tells the full story. From the Genesse Valley Transportation site:
@breezinup posted:Maybe this was already posted and I didn't see it, but this tells the full story. From the Genesse Valley Transportation site:
And if you’re on Facebook, there is a link toward the bottom of the article to GVT’s Facebook page where you can find some great pics of the engines cross country move.
I caught it in Portland in 2015. Surprised to see a NKP loco there but was then told the significance to Doyle.
Pete
Norton. Pete GVT corp offices are in Batavia , mechanical base is in Scranton . scranton is the DL (Delaware Lackawanna ) Batavia and Depew are the DLW ( Depew Lancaster and Western. Lockport is the FRR ( falls Road Railroad). Utica and Carthage Is the MAN ( Mohawk Adirondack and northern and at one time they also had the Loweville and beaver River. the PA is going to a good home and as I understand is mostly Functional. it will look great in Scranton on the company OCS.
I caught the 190 crossing over Scranton Rd in Cleveland. I had been trying to wait for it at various spots on the west side of Cleveland inbetween the day's obligations. I was trying to wait for it on the better illuminated side of the bridge over Scranton Rd, but felt unsafe at one point. The area is on the fringe of redeveloping Tremont and the blight of Train Ave to the west. Had the NS310 carrying NKP 190 ran through 10 minutes sooner my pics and video would have been much better, closer and in setting sunlight. I am glad to have seen it! I used to dream of seeing it on the NKP rails. Although I imagined under power with an excursion. This less wonderful scene nonetheless still made my day! Poor quality pic I know.
@VistaDomeScott, thanks for sharing! It’s great to just see her on the rails. Glad you got to see 190 on home rails.
Does anyone know when and where to see it in Buffalo, NY
Guys...we deleted the toy train pictures because this is the REAL TRAINS forum!
Just saw a Facebook post which says “Genesee Valley Transportation President Michael D. Thomas says Steamtown offers a ‘safe, secure, and accessible location’ for the public to view the historic diesel”. Looking forward to seeing it at Steamtown!!!
Update: Here’s a link to the article on Trains.com:
@Apples55 posted:Just saw a Facebook post which says “Genesee Valley Transportation President Michael D. Thomas says Steamtown offers a ‘safe, secure, and accessible location’ for the public to view the historic diesel”. Looking forward to seeing it at Steamtown!!!
Wonder when, and for how long, the #190 would be "on display" at Steamtown?
Update: Here’s a link to the article on Trains.com:
@Hot Water posted:Wonder when, and for how long, the #190 would be "on display" at Steamtown?
While the article doesn’t address the specifics, if I had to hazard a guess, I’d say that it will possibly be there (in the center of the roundhouse if not on the turntable) for the “high” season at Steamtown - Memorial Day to Labor Day. It would probably pull in additional visitors.
@VistaDomeScott posted:I caught the 190 crossing over Scranton Rd in Cleveland........
That's a wonderful looking classic RR bridge, incidentally!
I saw it on opening day of the new Oregon Railroad Heritage Center, in 2012. Took some photos of his PA.
RAY
Elkhart Indiana 5/15. Go to 04:55
This is overall GREAT news and we all look forward to the eventual outcome. Not meaning to offend anyone (least of all Mr McCormick) as I understand his reasoning, but as a former art/designer I was sorely disappointed when first seeing his restored PA online. I've never cared for the NKP scheme Doyle chose for his beautiful locomotive solely for aesthetic reasons. It is arguably the least attractive scheme of any PA ever produced. The design itself is awkward and the lettering on the sides is very poor from a readability standpoint - it just doesn't work!
Seeing her again in the Warbonnet colors or the beautiful D&H scheme as favored by many of you will be a welcome sight! Hats off to everyone involved.
@c.sam posted:This is overall GREAT news and we all look forward to the eventual outcome. Not meaning to offend anyone (least of all Mr McCormick)
His name is spelled McCormack, i.e. the Irish spelling and NOT the Scottish spelling.
as I understand his reasoning, but as a former art/designer I was sorely disappointed when first seeing his restored PA online. I've never cared for the NKP scheme Doyle chose for his beautiful locomotive solely for aesthetic reasons.
No, he did NOT! Doyle was born and raised in an NKP family. His father was a Dispatcher on the NKP, both Doyle and his older brother worked for the NKP, and then the N&W after the NKP/N&W merger.
It is arguably the least attractive scheme of any PA ever produced. The design itself is awkward and the lettering on the sides is very poor from a readability standpoint - it just doesn't work!
All if this is just your opinion!
Seeing her again in the Warbonnet colors or the beautiful D&H scheme as favored by many of you will be a welcome sight!
Not going to happen, for many, MANY reasons. Besides, the "other" PA that Doyle helped repatriate back the the U.S. from Mexico, is in Texas, and THAT unit will be cosmeticallly restored to the original Santa Fe livery.
Hats off to everyone involved.
Breezinup, glad you like the bridge also. It is a great looking span. Here is a link to someone's drone coverage of the 190 crossing the lift bridge over the Cuyahoga River.
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