Dreyfuss Hudson project

Wow  ; you've got your work cut out for you there...but we have faith in you! 

Mark in Oregon

Wow you must be good at your trade! My chances would be zero to none ha. Nick

rockstars1989 posted:

Wow you must be good at your trade! My chances would be zero to none ha. Nick

What you do with wood Nick, I can do with this Hudson......anything wooden is my nemesis.....I can only dream of designing and executing a project like you’re doing.......and you probably figured it all out in your head..........me......I’d fail at the materials list......😉.......Pat

This will be fun to watch. How in the world does an engine get so beat up? Good luck. The reward will be wonderful. 

Rod, we were wondering this ourselves....I guess when the only tool somebody owns is a hatchet, they can make short work out of anything.....this locomotive is borderline ax murdered....Pat

It doesn't look all that bad. Your well on your way.

Good luck!

Ron H

Why is the bottom of the pilot blue?

That's the least of the issues, but odd.

Lou1985 posted:

Why is the bottom of the pilot blue?

That's the least of the issues, but odd.

Your guess is as good as mine Lou.....this is how I received it....weird ain’t it?.......Pat

Maybe someone was trying to turn it into a Santa Fe Blue Goose?

How did I miss this project? I guess this one is still in the works?

Pat's just been waiting for someone to ask!   

Maybe Pat finally found the ax that the original owner was using and finished the job!

@harmonyards

Well Pat, did the patient survive our did this one go the way of all the prototypes and meet the scrappers torch?

Yeah - this one got past me. Is it still in the hopper, or did it indeed get parted out? I do love to see - and occasionally do - a Century/ESE project.

That project became a donor for Chris’s other Smithsonian Dreyfuss that needed  parts,…We did TMCC in his other Dreyfuss, fixed some boo-boos, replaced some missing parts, and saved the locomotive in this thread for a parts donor …..

Pat

@harmonyards Ah, no wonder I missed this. It was on and off almost like that.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

@harmonyards Ah, no wonder I missed this. It was on and off almost like that.

We’re not scared here at Harmon to carve up a locomotive like a Turkey ….😁

Pat

Well, I've seen some Dreyfuss Smithsonian's recently, did message a question to you about one, another I've seen is missing the drivers, has quite a bit of the other stuff to it.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I've seen some Dreyfuss Smithsonian's recently, did message a question to you about one, another I've seen is missing the drivers, has quite a bit of the other stuff to it.

I’ll find the email,…..I must’ve missed it,….don’t get old Dave, it sucks !

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

I’ll find the email,…..I must’ve missed it,….don’t get old Dave, it sucks !

Pat

Well, I understand because I kept telling you I'd do something, and didn't follow through for quite some time. Last night though, the C&O Hudson came out of the box. So, you have that email and posts to see me smile through my words.

There has been a lot of discussion of the color of Hudson models on the Forum. I have seen factual information about prototypical Hudson paint distributed over a number of different threads. It would be great to have guidelines collected in one place for those who wish to paint their Hudson the correct color.

Pat, could you lay out for us the details of how you would select and purchase the correct color of paint and paint chemistry for painting a NYC 1938 Hudson, and how you would evaluate if the sprayed color out of the bottle is correct.  If there is a compact summary you feel fits the bill that already exists, please provide the link. Thanks.

@Norman R, Pat will be painting on my models in do time. That I think would probably be the topic we all wait for. Of course, as soon as he's ready and as soon as I ship them to him.

@Norman R posted:

There has been a lot of discussion of the color of Hudson models on the Forum. I have seen factual information about prototypical Hudson paint distributed over a number of different threads. It would be great to have guidelines collected in one place for those who wish to paint their Hudson the correct color.

Pat, could you lay out for us the details of how you would select and purchase the correct color of paint and paint chemistry for painting a NYC 1938 Hudson, and how you would evaluate if the sprayed color out of the bottle is correct.  If there is a compact summary you feel fits the bill that already exists, please provide the link. Thanks.

The only way we could do this, is if the thread remains on target about facts on the actual colors, the process I used, and historical context. The problem on this forum is it becomes washed out with what model mfr.’s that did it right, did it wrong, this company got it right, this company got it wrong, and the whole song and dance starts over again, and then the thread gets deleted, and people get booted….I’d love to do a thread based on the historical context, and if everyone can keep on that track, then we can do it,….There’s a lot of R&D that went into my work, and ALOT of people contributed with historical knowledge & information,……but if we can’t keep it on track, then it’s a dead issue …

Pat

Perhaps on Real Train Forum.

@Scotie posted:

Perhaps on Real Train Forum.

I don’t think so, beings we’ll be discussing the process on models…….the Real Trains forum is just that,…..I believe the topic would remain in the 3 rail traditional forum, and maybe Alan Arnold, or one of the other mods could point us in the right directions….

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

That project became a donor for Chris’s other Smithsonian Dreyfuss that needed  parts,…We did TMCC in his other Dreyfuss, fixed some boo-boos, replaced some missing parts, and saved the locomotive in this thread for a parts donor …..

Pat

One more touch on this subject then I'll move on.

I have 2 of the Williams "Masterpiece" Century/Dreyfuss Hudsons - one is a shelf queen (so far....) I bought used. Later I spotted one in bad shape and was so cheap I couldn't resist it; have not done anything with it. Or the "good" used one.

To my knowledge, these Williams locos are a version of the Smithsonian loco and have less elaborate detailing and a cheaper motor. I've never handled a S'sonian version, but when I see photos they look like they have the Williams fingerprints. I have assumed that the Wms version and the Smithsonian version made the project make financial sense.

Anyway - is that anything like true?

David, seems I read somewhere that the Williams used a different (worse) gearbox as well but that the shells and detailing were very close.

@D500 posted:

One more touch on this subject then I'll move on.

I have 2 of the Williams "Masterpiece" Century/Dreyfuss Hudsons - one is a shelf queen (so far....) I bought used. Later I spotted one in bad shape and was so cheap I couldn't resist it; have not done anything with it. Or the "good" used one.

To my knowledge, these Williams locos are a version of the Smithsonian loco and have less elaborate detailing and a cheaper motor. I've never handled a S'sonian version, but when I see photos they look like they have the Williams fingerprints. I have assumed that the Wms version and the Smithsonian version made the project make financial sense.

Anyway - is that anything like true?

Indeed, ….the Williams Masterpiece is the same engine as the Smithsonian, built in the same plant, with the same parts, except the motor & gearbox,……otherwise, the parts are interchangeable.

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

The only way we could do this, is if the thread remains on target about facts on the actual colors, the process I used, and historical context. The problem on this forum is it becomes washed out with what model mfr.’s that did it right, did it wrong, this company got it right, this company got it wrong, and the whole song and dance starts over again, and then the thread gets deleted, and people get booted….I’d love to do a thread based on the historical context, and if everyone can keep on that track, then we can do it,….There’s a lot of R&D that went into my work, and ALOT of people contributed with historical knowledge & information,……but if we can’t keep it on track, then it’s a dead issue …

Pat

Pat, can we give it a shot?  I'm not re-painting any Dreyfus Hudsons but am very interested in what goes into one of your model  builds.  That's why I always love an episode of Tales From Harmon Yards.  If the rest of us can't keep it factual and on point then you can shut it down.

@coach joe posted:

Pat, can we give it a shot?  I'm not re-painting any Dreyfus Hudsons but am very interested in what goes into one of your model  builds.  That's why I always love an episode of Tales From Harmon Yards.  If the rest of us can't keep it factual and on point then you can shut it down.

Coach, we can give it a shot,…..

Pat

And a cheer goes up from the crowd! Woohoo!